The Running Thread - 2016

QOTD: What is the best advice a fellow runner has given to you?
I had been told by several fellow runners that I should slow down and run most of my miles at an easy pace. Never bought into it until my second coach told me the same thing. (Note - my first coach also gave me this advice, but I was "too smart" to follow the advice then). Advice from anyone, even when sought out, doesn't help unless we are receptive.

So, my answer - SLOW DOWN! :snail:
 
ATTQOTD: I'd say "Your race - your pace" is probably the best piece of advice I've received. I'm naturally competitive but I'm also way past my prime:in the past it was hard for me to find the fun in distance racing. It's taken a few years, but I figured out what makes me happy isn't racing against the clock, but just getting out there and enjoying the experience.
 
ATTQOTD: I'd say "Your race - your pace" is probably the best piece of advice I've received. I'm naturally competitive but I'm also way past my prime:in the past it was hard for me to find the fun in distance racing. It's taken a few years, but I figured out what makes me happy isn't racing against the clock, but just getting out there and enjoying the experience.

This. I agree 100% and it is what I have in my head when I run a race. Don't worry about how anyone else around you is running, "run your race".
 
I agree that the slow down advice was one of the best pieces of advice I got. I used to feel like I was dying after every run and that made it not fun. I thought that's what I was supposed to do. It really was a revelation when I realized that it was ok to run at slower paces (and my fast pace is slow to begin with) and that each run has a different goal. Sometimes it's speedwork and sometimes it's an easy pace. I have that philosophy with races too. I do a lot of races for fun and then have a couple goal races throughout the year that I do for time.
 

Is there still a lot of construction going on at the Lodge? That might be a consideration... I don't really like to stay where a lot of construction is going on.

I forgot that you get sore when you actually go out and follow your plan! I think this is the first time I've made all 4 of my weekday workouts in months and months. :o Looking forward to rest day tomorrow (well, other than walking dogs at the animal shelter).

ATTQOTD: I'm still working on that slow down thing. It's hard for me to run slower, since I'm already running pretty slow! This is the first day since I got my HRM that my Z2 % was higher than Z3. Although I admit I did make a couple stops to take a quick breather and slow my HR down.
 
Is there still a lot of construction going on at the Lodge? That might be a consideration... I don't really like to stay where a lot of construction is going on.
Yes WL has major construction going on right now. A lot of amenities are closed or being worked on. Won't be completed until mid to late 2017.
 
Also since Zelly B brought up Disney (yay)...has anyone stayed in the cabins at fort wilderness before? Or even the lodge. The idea for our large family trip Oct. 2017 is being tossed around to try this resort. We'll have like at least 4 runners in our group (non-race weekend) and is the Wilderness area cool for morning runs? Can't believe I've turned into someone who would even as that question :)
Oct. 2017 might be okay at WL. I've heard good things about the cabins at Ft. Wilderness but haven't stayed in them myself. One thing is the that Ft. Is very spread out.
 
I had been told by several fellow runners that I should slow down and run most of my miles at an easy pace. Never bought into it until my second coach told me the same thing. (Note - my first coach also gave me this advice, but I was "too smart" to follow the advice then). Advice from anyone, even when sought out, doesn't help unless we are receptive.

So, my answer - SLOW DOWN! :snail:

This is my answer. I've had so much advice, and just ignored it all. I am in good shape overall and felt like I could be faster, so I just ran all out all the time. But, I've had lots of injuries, and everyone said slow down. I refused to listen because I felt ok during and after runs, so could not see the use in slowing down. But, finally my coach showed me that I was working exclusively in zone 3 and 4 teetering into 5 on hard hills. Desperate to stop having so many injuries, I tried to slow down on 80% of my running, only hitting zone 3 as part of one run per week. I wasn't successful 100% of the time, but I was successful the majority of the time. I was just getting used to it, and getting my heart rate to hold in zone 2 for my old long run paces, when I got injured totally unrelated to running. So I am happy to get back to it now. I am now have the knowledge that it will work, and that my pace will improve with these runs even if I am starting slow. Back to base building:)
 
IOnce it gets really cold I have to run with a huge pair of ski mitts, the ones with the wind lining and everything...my hands FREEZE.

Ah, but you're probably running in sub zeroish temps, I gotta wear those ski mitts once it hits 50 deg. So sometimes I'm wearing a tshirt, shorts, and huge mittens. It's pretty ridiculous!

I'm why, but for some reason, running somehow trumps my Raynauds. I can't be outside long enough to walk to the mailbox without covering every inch or it can be a problem, but I can run distances with just your standard smart wool socks and regular running shoes, and a pair of lightweight running mittens/gloves and I am good. I am guessing it is the improved circulation that protects me but I don't know. I hate being outside in the cold usually, but I'm ok running. My husband always says I should just run everywhere I go in the winter. Kind of hard sledding with the kids though:)

Have you tried mittens? I like them pretty big because them you can pull the fingers into your palm to get extra warmth.

Anyway, I keep hearing about the Strava site. Can someone share a link to the Dis group and a rundown on how it works and to sync with Garmin? TIA

Hope to see you on the Strava!

Also, please add:
September 18 - dis_or_dat - Half Moon Bay Half Marathon (1:42 / )

ATTQOTD: @DopeyBadger gives great running/coaching advice including individually tailored plans. I honestly don't know how he has the time, especially with all the runs he does! For very specific advice, a friend warned me that the trail I was using was inadequate for the hills at the Rock n Roll SF and advised me to run a different trail. It was just a month before the race, but I was able to train on it a few times and it really helped prepare me. It was a life saver.
 
Since I seem to be on a roll posting today, lets not forget the upcoming races this weekend.

05 - @disneydaydreamer33 - Superhero 2.5k (NG / N/A)
06 - @jhorstma - OldFashioned 5k (28:59 / N/A)
06 - @DisneyDreamer ♥ - Big Ten Network 10k (NG / N/A)
06 - @GARUNMOM - Vinings 5k (NG / N/A)
07 - @SueInBoston - Bridge & Back 10k (NG/ N/A)


Good luck to each of you on your upcoming race. If you would like to revise your goal let me know. Look forward to reading how things go for you.
 
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QOTD: What is the best advice a fellow runner has given to you?

I would say that there are two pieces of advice that have helped me the most:
1. Don't skimp on gear: get good running shoes, good running shorts, good running shirts, and good running socks. If you skimp on any one of these items, you could have some problems down the road.
2. Similar to others, proper pacing for different types of workouts is key to improving. Prior to a fellow runner teaching me this, I would run all workouts at about the same pace (not fast and not slow) which is exactly the wrong approach. She taught me about speed work, tempo runs as well as slowing down on most everyday runs.
 
QOTD: What is the best advice a fellow runner has given to you?

Gosh, that's a tough one. To be honest, I haven't had many moments where people offered me advice in person. For almost the majority of my time running, it's just been me. I read lots of things (books, scientific journals, articles, blogs, etc.) but I can't think of anything anyone has offered me as advice in person. The only thing that sticks out is when someone told me "You can't run a marathon." It wasn't advice per se, but it was all I needed to get out the door and prove everyone wrong.

Now if I were to offer advice now after 4 years of experience, I'd say my top three are:

1) Slow down. Every day shouldn't be treated as a race day. You're not going for new PRs on training runs. This leads to "surviving the training plan, and not thriving because of it". Don't worry if you've never run x pace for z distance. Race day is where you prove it.

When someone says they want to work on "speed", my question is always "why?". Typically what follows is, "well I want to be faster." To which I reply, "what are your 5K, 10K, 10 mile, HM, and M times?". If you find that by using a race equivalency calculator that your 5K times predict 10K, HM or M times that are faster than your PR, then you don't need "speed". You need "endurance". Almost 95% of long distance recreational runners need more endurance work, and not nearly as much speed work. And how do you best improve endurance? SLOW running! I won't dive into the science, but the benefits of running about 80% of your training at the following + paces or SLOWER have proven to me to be beyond astounding.

5K PR + 90-120 seconds to as slow as 180 seconds
10K PR + 75-90 seconds to as slow as 160 seconds
HM PR + 60-70 seconds to as slow as 150 seconds
M PR + 40-45 seconds to as slow as 120 seconds

2) Run blind. Listen to your body. Learn to be able to run at effort levels with no GPS feedback. I've found I can be EXTREMELY negative during a race when I had a set pace and wasn't hitting it. This negative feeling would cause me to lose motivation. Based on my understanding of the Psychobiological Model once you lose your motivation, then your perception of effort increases. It truly becomes a mental block and not a physical block (while during running it's perceived as a physical block). By running by effort and not pace, it allows you to self-adjust for varying weather conditions based on how you feel. It becomes a valuable tool in the toolbox to be able to run without GPS feedback.

3) Create a custom plan. While finding plans online is nice because it's helpful, the plans are just too generic for individual needs. Honestly when I started out I was SO lost. The miles made sense, but the paces at which to run the runs never seemed concrete. I just tried to PR EVERYDAY. Once I truly started to dive into running, is when I found that such a variety of paces, different types of runs, and thinking of running in terms of time and not miles is when the doors really blew off for me. Now, I'm like a sponge. I'm trying to soak up as many different philosophies on running to develop my own principles and ideas. I use myself as my own personal test subject with my custom training plans. Once I know I can do it and prove my ideas work, then I know that others can as well if they want to try.

I always wondered well if the elites are running 20, 22, 24, 30 mile training runs in preparation for their marathon, shouldn't I be too? But when I started evaluating Luke Humphrey's plan at the back of the Hansons Marathon Method book, the light came on. When they run these massive mile weeks (120 miles or more) or these massive single runs (20 miles or more), they're running them in 10-14 hours of time in a week or 120-150 minutes for a single run. It's because they are super fast that they have to run so far. For them to receive the same benefits as I do in 150 minutes at their relative pace, they have to run 23 miles and I have to run 14 or 16 or 18. Once I was able to comprehend this idea everything started to make more sense. Relative Fitness Effort x Time = Miles. Figure out the first two parts (Effort and Time) and the third part (Miles) will work itself out. This is the methodology I use to create custom plans. Figure out someone's relative fitness paces based on effort, balance those out throughout the week, and then add in their available time. Once I do that I can tell the person how fast and how far they should run each day.
 
So... I did not get my early morning run in this morning :( Looks like a late afternoon run on the TM. So exciting...

Anyway, I keep hearing about the Strava site. Can someone share a link to the Dis group and a rundown on how it works and to sync with Garmin? TIA

You can also use this website Tapiriik to upload all of your previous Garmin data as well to Strava. Although I have found the upload process can be a day long when you have a ton of previous runs, and the system isn't perfect on capturing everyone one of them. I found any run I "favorited" on Garmin, did not upload the splits or GPS information onto Strava. So unfortunately, that was all of my races.
 
You can also use this website Tapiriik to upload all of your previous Garmin data as well to Strava. Although I have found the upload process can be a day long when you have a ton of previous runs, and the system isn't perfect on capturing everyone one of them. I found any run I "favorited" on Garmin, did not upload the splits or GPS information onto Strava. So unfortunately, that was all of my races.

Thanks for the info. I just got the app and account and its ready to go, but was a little sad my old data didn't upload. I was actually about to ask about that. I will look into it and see if I can make it work. Thanks!
 
ATTQOTD: Famously written about on here by Coach Charles, "The hay is in the barn". Basically, come race day, trust in the training and hard work you've done to lead up to this point and enjoy the fruits of your labor!

I miss coach Charles. He was really active when I started on this board. I loved his posts leading up to Marathon weekends
 
ATTQOTD: "Run your own race." This reminder is so important for me and helps me when I feel self-conscious or embarrassed about my pace.

I really love reading all of your answers to this QOTD. I feel like I am learning SO much and am ready to go for a truly easy run tonight... I am reading that I need to do that more!
 












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