The President of the United States

That's what I was thinking, we have one of, if not the only completely voluntary military forces in the world. Every person that is over there knew that when they signed on the line and gave that oath. Enlistment continues to this day, many go back to Iraq rather than leave their people.
I agree with the OP on his post. I often thought about several of these points. Many have critized our president for going into Iraq without the U.N. approval, but look at the other times in history similar things happened and there was no outrage like this. This is what the terrorists love to see. Splitting our nation up, instead of bonding us together with one goal in mind. ELIMINATEING TERRORISM!!! I, for one, am one AMERICAN that would gladly stand up and defend my president, my country, and my way of life. And give any other country that same opportunity!
 
To even attempt to compare and contrast Bush to Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson is laughable. Together with Lincoln and Washington, FDR was one of the greatest Presidents in this Nations history and he was elected 4 times, unlike Bush who hasn't been elected once!

Oh and while we're at it...for all you folks out there that are bashing Edwards because he's a trial lawyer, make sure to knock John Adams and Abe Lincoln as well... two formidable trial lawyers.
 
Originally posted by SOBDOSNV
I, for one, am one AMERICAN that would gladly stand up and defend my president, my country, and my way of life. And give any other country that same opportunity!
So does that mean you've enlisted?
 

President Bush will go down as one of the BEST presidents in history--and for good reason.
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Jellymoon said: Well, when Clinton lied no one died.

Bush is the deadliest president in recent history.

The only answer is to vote for hope and a change in America. Kerry/Edwards will restore dignity and honor to our nation.

I'm not the kind of person who gets wrapped up in politics, or feelings about politicians, or voting against people. But, for what are essentially crimes against humanity, foreign and domestic, Bush must go home to Texas. That is why my motto is:
ANYONE BUT BUSH IN '04--- even if it is Donald Duck!!!
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The problem I have with people who say "anyone but Bush', is that they aren't well-versed or educated on the issues--most importantly, the war in Iraq. Bush has committed crimes against humanity? Do you really truly believe that everything is relative? That there is no good or bad? Our moral compass is a figment of our imagination?

Why don't you read The Connection, by Stephen Hayes. Despite the "spin" put on the 9-11 commission's report, there is INDEED evidence of a connection between Iraq and Al Quaeda. . .and, although there isn't EVIDENCE of the following, there is a possibility of a connection between 9-11 and Iraq. Read this. It's sourced, it's factual.
For all of you lefties who keep on screaming Bush lied regarding WMD. . .the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee and the British government released reports this week stating that it is a fact that Iraq reps visited Niger for the expressed purpose of purchasing both Uranium and uranium oxide. This PROVES that there was an ongoing weapons program in Iraq. . .it isn't Bush that lied, it's the democrats, such as Terry McAuliffe and Joe Wilson who vocalize the opposite, knowing this to be fact. They put partisan interests in front of the truth and national security. So far, we have found chemical and biological weapons – brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, ricin, sarin, aflatoxin – and long-range missiles in Iraq. Do you KNOW this? It should make front page news--instead, it gets relegated to the 16th page and then the reporters keep saying "it's not the smoking gun". . .well, HELLO? These are the smoking guns. . .there were weapons programs. This is it.

What would you have waited for? Until the weapons were USED on Americans? He HAD used them on his own people. They found mass graves filled with more than 300,000 people. He had rape rooms. He would starve babies in front of their mothers so the mothers would "confess" or turn in the husbands. We LIBERATED these people. As for the innocent Iraqis that were unfortunately killed, that IS definitely TOO bad, but it's less than Saddam would have done. . .and, we're bringing freedom and, hopefully, democracy to this country. This is a GOOD thing. Yes, there are still insurgents, there is more terrorism. We'll be there for a while, though. We're STILL in Germany. We're STILL in Korea. We're STILL in Japan.

If we have the guts to do what's Right (with a capital 'R'), that's the important thing. . .The United Nations is made up of countries that violate Human Rights every day. The human rights commission has SUdan as a member! And, slavery is still permitted there! They pass resolutions condemning Israel practically daily, but have yet to condemn suicide bombing--or bus bombing, or school bombing, or restaurant and cafe bombing, or bombing without suicide, or burning and dragging dead bodies, or gleefully praying for more Israelis' deaths. . .as a matter of fact, they haven't condemned any of the Islamic countries' schoolbooks that say Jews are the sons of pigs and monkeys, and that it's a free pass to heaven if you kill them. Palestinian children, as a matter of fact, go to summer camp at 10 and learn how to use guns and are, again, taught to kill Israelis. So, we are supposed to listen to the UN and have them decide OUR foreign policy, too? Does this make any sense, really, at all? the United Nations did nothing for 13 years to bring Saddam to justice! Just more resolutions. personally, i think the moment he shot at one of our planes that were PERMITTEd to be there, we should have gone in. . .do you know they shot at our planes EVERY SINGLE DAY without fail? Every day??? for YEARS??? And, we did NOTHING!

Try as I might right now, I can't find the quote. But, John kerry has clearly stated that he would not have acted without expressed approval from the UN. He'd give up sovereignty of our country to the UN. How does this restore dignity and honor to The United States? And, as a side note, Kerry's being investigated for shadiness regarding his campaign contributions/financing. Check out Judicial Watch for current info.

What was the lesson of WWII, then? It certainly wasn't that appeasement worked. And, if you agree with that, then why wasn't going into Iraq to both enforce those resolutions and stop the weapons threat from becoming imminent (and, that's all he stated--he never stated it already was imminent), valid? Neville Chamberlain's plan to appease Hitler didn't work, and it was Winston Churchill (and FDR) who understood that freedom is never free and that one must stand up to evil. This is WWIII. . .this isn't a joke, and it won't be over until we stop this fanatic ideology.

One more thing. . .check out http://www.meforum.org --for more facts, or check out MEMRI, for a direct translation of middle east news casts and articles.

Recommended Books:
Closed Circle--David Pryce-Jones
American Jihad--Stephen Emerson (excellent!)
The Connection--Stephen Hayes (middle initial, too.. .I don't remember)
Sword of the Prophet--Trifkovic (first name escapes me!)
Between War and peace (Victor Davis Hanson)

As for the person who reminded us that John Adams and Abe Lincoln was ALSO a trial lawyer. ..I know that Adams and Lincoln didn't make their fortunes suing companies and hospitals and anything else they could sue! They BOTH understood good and bad, and right and wrong. . .Adams suffered at the end for his moral beliefs and Lincoln risked everything for the Civil War. They did what they believed to be Right (again, capital "R") People like Edwards are why some of you think we need Universal Health Care in the first place! He sues these companies until they are forced to raise our rates and prices for goods! He's out for the big bucks--not out for the "little guy". . .a direct antithesis to the image of "populist", wouldn't you say?
 

Thanks - an opinion piece in "The Nation" by Vincent Bugliosi is obviously all the evidence needed to show that President Bush wasn't elected. Mr. Bugliosi rails against the 5 justices that he says were wrong on the equal protection issue. I guess he forgot about the other 2 that agreed that there were equal protection issues - the only disagreement was in remedy.

And to think, this could have all been avoided if voters had just followed directions. Those that don't care enough to vote their ballot correctly have in effect given up their right to have it counted. Too bad for them.
 
Facts and quotes and statistics are all well and good and are awesome points for those on both sides to use to tout their "proofs".

The bottom line is each person has lived with their current president long enough to form a PERSONAL conclusion, and that conclusion is based on their own priorities and experiences. It's like a parent, one child, who is a favored child, may think he's the greatest on earth, while another one who is ignored or abused feels the exact opposite.

This is true with any leader, boss or authority figure.

What I see is a lot of rhetoric to prove points. Maybe the points may matter to some, but have no relevence or substance to others.
 
Well said, Robinrs.

It's all about perspective. If the President is pursuing priorities with which one agrees and in a manner with which one agrees, then of course, one will like him and/or want him to win. Ditto with Senator Kerry.

The problem comes in when people are blind to the fact that not everyone share their priorities or methods. Rather than acknowledging these differences, it seems to turn into "Well if you like THAT guy, you must be an idiot". Um no, not an idiot, just looking from a different POV.
 
So does that mean you've enlisted?
Actually I served our country, and would do so again proudly if needed! And in full support of our President, G.W. BUSH.
 
Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Thanks - an opinion piece in "The Nation" by Vincent Bugliosi is obviously all the evidence needed to show that President Bush wasn't elected. Mr. Bugliosi rails against the 5 justices that he says were wrong on the equal protection issue. I guess he forgot about the other 2 that agreed that there were equal protection issues - the only disagreement was in remedy.

There are plenty more sources out there. Why don't you go educate yourself.

And to think, this could have all been avoided if voters had just followed directions. Those that don't care enough to vote their ballot correctly have in effect given up their right to have it counted. Too bad for them.

I guess there are thousands of voters out there that are just too stupid in your eyes to vote "properly". This must be part of the "Compassionate Conservatism" that Bush spews.
 
I guess there are thousands of voters out there that are just too stupid in your eyes to vote "properly".

Given the inability of thousands of voters to follow simple directions such as "punch hole all the way through", "don't leave cardboard hanging on the back of ballot" and "vote for only one candidate in each race", yes, I would say that there were thousands of voters in Florida that were too stupid to vote properly.

When you don't follow the directions to ensure that your vote will count, then you have thrown out your right to have that vote counted.

These idiots had probably NEVER had a vote of theirs counted, but they never realized it because elections had not been close enough to trigger a hand recount. If I'm going to take the time to learn about the candidates and issues, and then vote, I'm sure as hell going to make the effort to make sure that my vote will be counted, whether the rare hand recount is triggered or not. It's stupid to do otherwise.
 
Robinrs--why is our "personal opinion" enough? And since when does citing facts turn into rhetoric.? Here I have to disagree. I've cited facts in my last post.

Sometimes our personal opinion is decided based on erroneous information. Isn't the TRUTH most important?

For all of you who profess Bush lied. ..tell me EXACTLY when. Bush never lied. Not once regarding anything in Iraq. And, if you still think so, let me PLEASE enlighten you. Tell me where you believe he lied, and I will get back to you explaining the truth--not what the media and democratic party has spun.

I am shocked to see that some believe that we don't need to know the facts. .. that's enough to have a "feeling" about the president and decide from our "feelings". How, on earth, does this qualify us? You trust your "feelings" THAT much? The truth is, that there are people spewing out how Bush lied every single day, in the media. . .and in dfact, they are either LYING or ignorant of the truth.

I like having the truth BEFORE i form my opinions.
 
The problem I have with people who say "anyone but Bush', is that they aren't well-versed or educated on the issues--most importantly, the war in Iraq.

So anyone who does not see things your way is not well versed or educated about the issues? It begs the question...why are the polls showing a daily decline in support how Bush has handled these issues? Do people suddenly wake up and, without any thought at all, simply decide to change their views?
 
I don't have a problem with the "anyone but Bush" crowd, but I would note that hatred for a particular candidate has usually been a losing platform to run on. There's got to be a lot more to it than "anyone but Bush" for Kerry to win.
 
Originally posted by jrydberg
I don't have a problem with the "anyone but Bush" crowd, but I would note that hatred for a particular candidate has usually been a losing platform to run on. There's got to be a lot more to it than "anyone but Bush" for Kerry to win.

which is why the candidates stayed so even for so long. Now that Kerry and Edwards are out there reachng the people, take a look at the polls by state. Kerry/Edwards are leading in battleground states:

Pennsylvania
Florida
Michigan
Missouri
Wisconsin
Ohio
Iowa
Wisconsin

dead tie in Tennessee
and only 2 points down in Nevada and Arkansas
 
I think it's also natural for Kerry to get a boost from picking his running mate. Removes the unknown factor.

Bottom line, I think it will end up being fairly close and a lot will depend on how things progress in Iraq.
 
OK.....LOOK OUT BELOWWWWWWWW

I am going to go out on a limb here and say I do not think it is going to be close at all. Unless Kerry stumbles badly, and hopefully with no attaks on US soil. This is strictly my opinion my "gut". I follow all the polls daily. And the shift has been a gradual steady one in one direction. The national polls keep giving the picture that things are neck and neck, and I have no explanation for this...theories, yes, but probably half baked ones. I am more comfortable drawing my conclusions from the electoral map. And I think it is going to be a huge win.

We'll talk again in November ;)
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
So anyone who does not see things your way is not well versed or educated about the issues? It begs the question...why are the polls showing a daily decline in support how Bush has handled these issues? Do people suddenly wake up and, without any thought at all, simply decide to change their views?

No, this is not what I said. . . I didn't say that people who didn't agree with me must not be well-versed or educated. I have no problem with a hearty debate, or people disagreeing with me on any subject, so long as their opinions are demonstrated to be based upon objective truths. It's not of any value to anyone to build a debate upon opinion or "feeling" alone. Let's debate FACTS and what those FACTS mean.

My "feelings and opinions" were formed from research and understanding of the facts. You may form a different conclusion based upon the same facts--that would result in an honest disagreement, and THEN we can have a debate about what those facts mean.

The problem is not with disagreements, per se, rather it is that people are NOT responding to the points that are being made and are not deconstructing my arguments point by point as they ought to. So many people on the left, especially, have a visceral feeling regarding the President and the Republicans, in general, that they seem completely incapable of examining facts. In addition, this may not be on account of lack of ability on their part, to examine truths, rather it seems folks on the left have no desire to deeply examine what is happening in our country and in the world. The truth of the matter is after 9-11, we now live in a completely different world. The fundamental purpose of politics NOW is in securing the survival of our way of life--which is constantly under threat, all across the world. This is the world in which we live. . .Bush gets it, Kerry doesn't. Also, so you know, Kerry has the worst voting attendance record of any senator. His lack of attendance on critical votes that are core issues of liberals, as well as all the other votes he has missed, is a disservice to the people of Massachusetts and to the Democratic Party that he is apparently leading.

The current poll numbers do NOT support your argument. Bush has a comfortable lead as of last week. Of course, you may always find another poll that will state just the opposite.

If you remember the Dukakis candidacy, the "Massachusetts Miracle" was the foundation of his campaign. Unfortunately, there was no "Massachusetts Miracle", and what the people of Massachusetts knew all along, and what the rest of the country discovered to their dismay during the debates, was that Dukakis was not capable of being President. Kerry is much the same. Read the Boston press. Read the quotes from the mayor of Boston, Menino--who is also a Democrat (they are not favorable towards Kerry). As it was before, so it is again, only the people in Massachusetts know the truth. You may make the argument, "Why does he continue to get reelected as senator, then, with his incredibly poor attendance record?" It's counterintuitive that a senator with the worst attendance record should be elected time and again. Local politics, senatorial politics, is a very different matter, however, than National politics.

Bush did not lie. The Great Lie that the left accuses him of, in basing our move towards war, is that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. The evidence is overwhelming, in fact, that Saddam DID have an ACTIVE WMD program. However, much of the evidence (that i quoted in my second post) is not given the attention that it deserves in the biased mainstream press. A concerned citizen who wants to know the truth, has to do his or her own research. Also, Bush said that Saddam had an active PROGRAM. . .he said (I'm paraphrasing here), "Once Saddam gets the weapons online. . .it's too late". That is the foundation of the preemptive strike policy that we now have. And, when we're dealing with lunatics with nukes and biochemical weapons (and they HAD WMD-look at my second post), the options of the United States become almost zero. And the risk to ourselves becomes unacceptable.

The world in which we now live in, post 9-11, requires us to make very painful decisions that would be unthinkable before 9-11. Bush is prepared to make these decisions, Kerry has already said that he'd rather defer to the United Nations--which is no friend to the United States.

These are the facts. This is the disturbing world we have found ourselves in. These lunatics have declared war on us and we need to respond. The WWII folks have been described as the "Greatest Generation". Because of 9-11, and the war that we're in right now--which is essentially the beginning of WWIII, we have to emulate the boldness and character of our parents and grandparents who won WWII. We face the same level of danger now, and hard and painful decisions must be made.

So, in conclusion, thanks for reading my lengthy post. And, I'm still looking forward to going to Disneyworld! A place like Disneyworld could never exist in an Iraq or North Korea.

I've tried to justify why Bush is important to the country and Kerry needs to be defeated. If you want to convince others of an opposing view, one ought to make a valid argument based on facts--not blind Bush hatred.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
OK.....LOOK OUT BELOWWWWWWWW

I am going to go out on a limb here and say I do not think it is going to be close at all. Unless Kerry stumbles badly, and hopefully with no attaks on US soil. This is strictly my opinion my "gut". I follow all the polls daily. And the shift has been a gradual steady one in one direction. The national polls keep giving the picture that things are neck and neck, and I have no explanation for this...theories, yes, but probably half baked ones. I am more comfortable drawing my conclusions from the electoral map. And I think it is going to be a huge win.

We'll talk again in November ;)

Fair enough FIK, only time will tell ;) I just don't think there are that many states up for grabs on either side. The south and middle of the country are largely solid Republican and the larger electoral vote states are largely solid Democrat. But who knows... we'll all find out in November :)
 












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