The Poly2 Pricing Thread

[Jimmy Geppetto]

I think the people who think there's a bungalow problem are those (and admittedly there are a lot of them) who don't have enough points for them. Realistically, the only thing that bungalows have in common with 2BRs is that they have 2BRs. They're almost totally different animals, no?

LOL. Actually not in my case. We have plenty of points for bungalows. Just can’t justify paying triple compared to true over water bungalows in Tahiti (which we’ve stayed in).

I’d put the CCV cabins as being a much better accommodation than the bungalows. The bungalows are highly over rated IMO. The point chart is just ridiculous comparatively speaking.

 

[gmi3804]

LOL. Actually not in my case. We have plenty of points for bungalows. Just can’t justify paying triple compared to true over water bungalows in Tahiti (which we’ve stayed in).

I’d put the CCV cabins as being a much better accommodation than the bungalows. The bungalows are highly over rated IMO. The point chart is just ridiculous comparatively speaking.

Well, those are opinion about cabins over bungalows, of course.

There are many who can't justify using points at the high point requirement RR either. It doesn't mean there's a "problem."

 

[aka Charles]

On a different subject, I have been looking at the pool area on the released plans.
I will say that these plans could change, as they have not started any pool construction yet.
However, these plans are for water runoff and drainage systems, and I would think they would have to be fairly accurate about the pool area.

It appears that the entire pool area will be fenced off with three entry points from the walkways around it.
Two on the tower side and one near the Fiji longhouse.
The child splash area will be internally fenced off as well.

It looks like there is a grassy area right by the lagoon that is inside the fenced off area and accessible to the pool guests.
There is no walkway access running between the pool area and the lagoon, so pool guests will have unobstructed views of the lagoon and fireworks.

The pool itself has a walk-in, walk-out entrance on the south end, and a wide step-in entrance on the southeast side.
With no apparent entry on the north/lagoon side of the pool, this supports the possibility that they still plan for it to be an infinity pool.

There is a hot-tub/Jacuzzi on the west side, and what looks like four "planter boxes" surrounding the pool.
Maybe they are for having live palm trees right at the pool to provide island atmosphere and some shade.

What I find most interesting is the plan shows six cabanas on the south side of the pool, looking towards the pool and lagoon.
I look forward to renting one of those!
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[Jimmy Geppetto]

Well, those are opinion about cabins over bungalows, of course.

There are many who can't justify using points at the high point requirement RR either. It doesn't mean there's a "problem."

Saying there is a problem or not a problem is an opinion as well. Guess we will see what happens… and hopefully soon.

 

[gmi3804]

Saying there is a problem or not a problem is an opinion as well. Guess we will see what happens… and hopefully soon.

I'm not saying there's a problem. Many are.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I've been reading about DVC reallocating points to "fix the bungalow problem" here since PVB was opened in 2015.

They've had 8 years. They don't care.

As it turned out I think it's more that there isn't really a problem and less that they don't care. That "problem" was speculation that nobody would book them and studios would be gone in seconds because of all those points. They may be one of the last to book but they often are completely booked and studios remain easy for owners there to book. It didn't turn out the way it was thought they would.

 

[gmi3804]

As it turned out I think it's more that there isn't really a problem and less that they don't care. That "problem" was speculation that nobody would book them and studios would be gone in seconds because of all those points. They may be one of the last to book but they often are completely booked and studios remain easy for owners there to book. It didn't turn out the way it was thought they would.

I'm confused about what they need to "care" about. They've set the points requirements and don't seem to have a problem keeping the bungalows booked most of the time. You're suggesting that they should be more sympathetic to our desires to stay in one, when we either don't have enough points or feel that it's not a good value?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I'm confused about what they need to "care" about. They've set the points requirements and don't seem to have a problem keeping the bungalows booked most of the time. You're suggesting that they should be more sympathetic to our desires to stay in one, when we either don't have enough points or feel that it's not a good value?

No, not at all what I was saying, There is no "bungalow" problem that needs to be solved. That's a myth going back to before it opened.

None of the accommodations at PVB have an issue with availability which is all that DVC needs to care about.
Now technically they probably should care that the Bungalows do usually take a lot longer to book but it's complicated to reallocate enough from the bungalows to the studios and ultimately studios don't have availability issues so they've left it which is fine.

 

[ehh]

Correct me if I’m interpreting you wrong here, but what you’re saying is if they rebalance PVB bungalows & studios (lowering bungalow points, increasing studios), and then price the Poly 2 studios at that revised higher point level, while maintaining standard ratios, it will increase their overall points they’re selling for Poly 2, right?

Exactly.

That does make sense to me too, though I also note:
-They can make the Poly 2 studios more points than PVB studios without rebalancing PVB
-Studios in Poly 2 can (likely will) be a separate booking category even if the same association
-Even if they do rebalance and they are the same point price, they can still be separate associations

Basically I suppose the launch of the tower could give them cover to do a PVB rebalance, but it’d really be independent events occurring at the same time. They don’t need to change PVB to price the tower where they want to, and the old vs new association question doesn’t really impact it either.

Agree on all points. Not making any association assertions here, just calling out a mechanism where they can increase the points sold at Poly2 while maintaining precedents like "same room category/view at the same general resort is the same points" and the normal points chart ratios.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Here's another one for the speculation files. Based on number of keys and other factors that the more experienced and intelligent posters can extrapolate...what do we think 7 month availability will look like for the tower. And obviously old or new association would have a lot to do with that.

Just for some fun speculation:

7 months - if separate will probably follow something like Riviera. Studios and duos gone much of the time. 1BR's available much of the time. And 2BR's decent.

If same I think it may be a bit tighter for the larger villas at 7 months. Duo studios typically gone. Studios - probably gone but there's an interesting difference to note as the new studios do not appear to have the separate bathing areas that the existing studios do. That's a big plus. Personally, I also like the location of the existing studios for the benefit of walking to the TTC for transportation. If I were booking a studio, without yet seeing the new ones if they offer something yet unknown, I'd book the existing. And that difference in layout could allow a completely different booking category and point chart for the tower studios. I think DVC could experiment with that this time around although I give that low odds but it would be interesting.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t believe this is totally accurate, at least as far as studios are concerned. As I have noted before, I believe “wide open” at 7 months is a fallacy. I know this is widely believed and I am not faulting you for saying it. However, there have been plenty of times I wanted to add a day after the 7 month date has passed and I could not. Are days available here and there? Certainly. However, I think wide open is a wild misinterpretation of availability.

It’s not about what is available after 7 month window opens but during home resort priority.

Owners at PVB do not have a problem booking their home resort when booking during that window. That means that the bungalow points are not impacting the owner in a meaningful way.

Of course, it might be a bit harder in early December but so far, I have never seen them gone if one is booking at 11 months.

 

[Jwaire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705722977944248765

 

[maui22]

This brings the my total number to 262, not including floors 9 & 10.

By view:
Standard view - 125
Pool view - 30
Lagoon/Theme Park view - 107

By villa size:
2 Bedroom, dedicated - 6
Duo Studio - 30
1 Bedroom - 88 (including lock-offs)
Studio - 138 (including lock-offs)

The upper two floors could be Grand Villas, with or without a few more studios.
It is hard to tell so far, as the layout is very different from the other floors.
If there are 8 units total on those 2 floors, the grand total would be 270.
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Will Disney really have 30 pool view rooms? Perhaps they only have preferred and standard view?

Is there a breakdown on the room type+count per view?

Basically, I wonder how this will look if same association. Seems there will still be a huge portion of standard view studio rooms.

Existing PVB room counts

• 288 Standard Studios
• 72 Lakeview Studios
• 20 Bungalows

 

[Sandisw]

Will Disney really have 30 pool view rooms? Perhaps they only have preferred and standard view?

Is there a breakdown on the room type+count per view?

Basically, I wonder how this will look if same association. Seems there will still be a huge portion of standard view studio rooms.

Existing PVB room counts

• 288 Standard Studios
• 72 Lakeview Studios
• 20 Bungalows

Honestly we hav ridea what views they will have so its all just guess work if what they decide to do.

Another reason I think new association is they don’t have to worry about how the classify the views in comparison to current PVB.

 

[maui22]

Honestly we hav ridea what views they will have so its all just guess work if what they decide to do.

Another reason I think new association is they don’t have to worry about how the classify the views in comparison to current PVB.

If it’s new association, nice part is 1BR should be easier to book at 7 months.

 

[Jwaire]

It's a monstrosity.



https://dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts/polynesian/5716-first-look-at-polynesian-tower-room-layouts

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705722977944248765

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Great view! Thx.

I'm having trouble visualizing how Aotearoa, Fiji & Tuvalu fit into this design...
(A part of me thinks MAYBE some day they will be refitted & made into DVC inventory, if that's permitted?)
Fiji 1st fl patios look to be within a few feet of the pool fencing that will exist. (NO, THANK YOU!)
Also space for walkways around that pool area? The distance in pix may be deceiving but will all guests (including PVB) still have a path to GF & walkway to MK, especially if new beach/grassy area hits right up to lagoon fencing???

 

[Jwaire]

Bio lighting it up tonight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705733860460314933

 

[Sandisw]

Great view! Thx.

I'm having trouble visualizing how Aotearoa, Fiji & Tuvalu fit into this design...
(A part of me thinks MAYBE some day they will be refitted & made into DVC inventory, if that's permitted?)
Fiji 1st fl patios look to be within a few feet of the pool fencing that will exist. (NO, THANK YOU!)
Also space for walkways around that pool area? The distance in pix may be deceiving but will all guests (including PVB) still have a path to GF & walkway to MK, especially if new beach/grassy area hits right up to lagoon fencing???

They can always add more phases to a project…which is what happened with conveying BPK at VGF.

So, if they ever decided that the cash division doesn’t need those building, they can definitely make them DVC.

 

[Jwaire]

I'm having trouble visualizing how Aotearoa, Fiji & Tuvalu fit into this design...
(A part of me thinks MAYBE some day they will be refitted & made into DVC inventory, if that's permitted?)

There would be hardly anything left of the original resort.