The Poly2 Pricing Thread

[Electron_si]

If it does end up being a new association I think we will eventually end up buying enough direct to be blue card, (just purchased our Poly1 resale). I couldn’t imagine being restricted from booking a resort that is located on the same grounds and not having access to those amenities.

 

[tom1944]

It does if it is deemed to ultimately be a bad business decision.

But they can fix that bad business decision by removing the restrictions on Riviera.

Leaving it on its own would not make sense.

 

[Sandisw]

CCV and VGF and RIV were announced a few months before sales started (CCV was earliest I think?). None of them were in the POS. That makes Poly2 the exception for the POS, but maybe not for the announcement. I mean, it's a year or more until they go on sale. It's not like they need to announce now either way.

When I added on direct at BLT in 2012, the notion of VGF not being relied upon was indeed in the POS....when I bought RIV, it included the language for Reflections...so this is not new. And, the multisite POS from 2018 did indeed include Reflections as well.

When they put out RIV with restrictions, the notion was this would be the new model and apply to all future resorts. So, when you imply this is the new norm, do you really need to announce it for each project? Or, simply update documents, like they did with VDH to include it?

That is why I said, if they are committed to the model of restrictions, and its obvious they did with what happened with VDH, maybe they don't feel that they have to announce anything? The assumption is that all new resorts will be restricted, unless DVD comes up with it that it will not be...which is what they did with VGF.

My prediction is that we will know when sometime who knows how to find permits and documents filed with OC about the project discovers it.

I just wish I knew how to find those and the new updated POS that was submitted....but I don't.

ETA: To this day, even with sales started, DVD has never officially put out a press release explaining it will have those restrictions....

 

[PrincessKL]

When I added on direct at BLT in 2012, the notion of VGF not being relied upon was indeed in the POS....when I bought RIV, it included the language for Reflections...so this is not new. And, the multisite POS from 2018 did indeed include Reflections as well.

When they put out RIV with restrictions, the notion was this would be the new model and apply to all future resorts. So, when you imply this is the new norm, do you really need to announce it for each project? Or, simply update documents, like they did with VDH to include it?

That is why I said, if they are committed to the model of restrictions, and its obvious they did with what happened with VDH, maybe they don't feel that they have to announce anything? The assumption is that all new resorts will be restricted, unless DVD comes up with it that it will not be...which is what they did with VGF.

My prediction is that we will know when sometime who knows how to find permits and documents filed with OC about the project discovers it.

I just wish I knew how to find those and the new updated POS that was submitted....but I don't.

ETA: To this day, even with sales started, DVD has never officially put out a press release explaining it will have those restrictions....

I think this is probably the best answer.

 

[Roughians_satchel]

It does if it is deemed to ultimately be a bad business decision.

If this resort is not restricted, they really blow-up Riviera. I just think it does not make sense leaving that resort out on an island by itself.

It's not an island by itself. Ft Wilderness will have restrictions, and people seem to think Ft. Wilderness will go on sale before Poly2 (thus less reason to be separate with restrictions.)

 

[maui22]

Personal opinion is businesses are better off being vague until they are about to sell a product.

Those considering buying PVB resale for a price discount will wait if they fear not being able to book the tower rooms.

Those really wanting to stay in the tower will either buy enough direct for blue card today, or wait for official announcement on the tower association. This can drive direct sales at any resort which is a win.

When the announcement happens, DVC benefits from a short window.

 

[SL6827]

If it does end up being a new association I think we will eventually end up buying enough direct to be blue card, (just purchased our Poly1 resale). I couldn’t imagine being restricted from booking a resort that is located on the same grounds and not having access to those amenities.

I can't see that either, but with Disney now, you never know. That is what I am wondering, how elaborate is the pool area going to be, or not? If they really up the game with the pool, slide, ect, would they restrict it to only Poly 2? Surely not?

 

[Sandisw]

If it does end up being a new association I think we will eventually end up buying enough direct to be blue card, (just purchased our Poly1 resale). I couldn’t imagine being restricted from booking a resort that is located on the same grounds and not having access to those amenities.

The amenities at Poly are not part of PVB. They are part of the hotel and owners have right to use.

I don’t see a situation where any amenities are restricted from any of the guests at that location.

 

[SL6827]

The amenities at Poly are not part of PVB. They are part of the hotel and owners have right to use.

I don’t see a situation where any amenities are restricted from any of the guests at that location.

Do you or anyone else think that the new pool and such will just be a normal Disney Deluxe offering or will they up the game on this one? (not to the extent of SAB, of course)

 

[BamaGuy44]

Do you or anyone else think that the new pool and such will just be a normal Disney Deluxe offering or will they up the game on this one? (not to the extent of SAB, of course)

I don't think they have the space to do anything too elaborate, size wise. I think the renderings showed it being some sort of infinity pool, which could be cool if it had views out onto the lake, and would unique for WDW pools. Of course they could half a** it, or scrap it altogether, who knows.

I'm choosing to be optimistic they will do a nice job on the pool, and the resort as a whole. It seems like they would want to make this one of the "crown jewels" of the resorts, given the location, point chart, and popularity and history of Poly. I'm not in the camp of pre-deciding to hate it based on the initial rendering 3 years out, I'll wait and see.

The people who hate all tower designs, or think anything new should look like just like the longhouses they designed 50 years ago, will never like it, and that's cool, we like what we like. Imagineering have had a few misses lately, but looking at the new Toy Story restaurant, and what I've seen of the Splash Mountain retheme, I think they still know how to theme things to the old "Disney Standard"™ when they choose to.

 

[Lumee23]

I just wish I knew how to find those and the new updated POS that was submitted....but I don't.

The updated POS is here I believe: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.disney.com/media/dvc/en/collateral-docs/MS_POS_Rev_05_02_2023.pdf

I couldn't find the old version from when I bought Riv 2 yrs ago.

 

[Sandisw]

The updated POS is here I believe: https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.disney.com/media/dvc/en/collateral-docs/MS_POS_Rev_05_02_2023.pdf

I couldn't find the old version from when I bought Riv 2 yrs ago.

Thank you! All the POS documents as well as updates done year end are on https://www.dvcfieldguide.com/

 

[KimMcGowan]

Well, there are three places it is Poly Resort and one place a slide at the owner's meeting. The most official document is the POS and its the village resort. That is a legal document that guides the sale of any project so the level of reviewing before those are filed is going to be much different.

I don't think, in this case, its reading anything into it....it doesn't 100% confirm it is going to be a new one...but, pretending that the POS stating it that way should be brushed off as a simply typo?

Someone has posted now that there could be permits that were filed that seem to indicate it is a new association. I guess my point is that the most official document that came out failed to associate it with PVB and that was not an accident, especially when its not be updated since 2018 and did not need to be updated in 2021 when they announced the expansion of VGF.

Everything else out there is based on pure speculation...oh, and I looked up the ROFR data here from 2019 until the pandemic in 2020 and not one PVB contract was taken in ROFR...granted, we are a sample size...but it goes to show that the lack of PVB isn't anything since it never was something that happened very often.

Oh, I actually agree with you. I think it is a new association. In fact, I kinda hope it is. I like the Polynesian that I bought. I can still walk over to the new tower and enjoy everything except a bedroom. But like you, I am saying that you cannot just ignore that in an official presentation they said it was part of PVB. They can always say they changed their mind - but it WAS there.

(And I wonder if that could be used against Disney if it is a new association. I truly have no idea about that, I just wonder.)

 

[Sandisw]

Oh, I actually agree with you. I think it is a new association. In fact, I kinda hope it is. I like the Polynesian that I bought. I can still walk over to the new tower and enjoy everything except a bedroom. But like you, I am saying that you cannot just ignore that in an official presentation they said it was part of PVB. They can always say they changed their mind - but it WAS there.

(And I wonder if that could be used against Disney if it is a new association. I truly have no idea about that, I just wonder.)

It would certainly support my prediction that it won’t be a big fanfare…but if that Dec slide was a hint, it didn’t make it into the POS in February…so, you then have to ask why?

That is why for me, the POS, being it is the legal contract is what trumps the rest in terms of where the direction is headed.. or, that document has done nothing to support the same.

 

[Roughians_satchel]

It would certainly support my prediction that it won’t be a big fanfare…but if that Dec slide was a hint, it didn’t make it into the POS in February…so, you then have to ask why?

That is why for me, the POS, being it is the legal contract is what trumps the rest in terms of where the direction is headed.. or, that document has done nothing to support the same.

Is the POS language in this current update the same as the POS language from when they first announced the Poly DVC expansion?

 

[Sandisw]

Is the POS language in this current update the same as the POS language from when they first announced the Poly DVC expansion?

This is the update to add that project. The last update to the Multi site POS was in 2018.

That is why the interesting part is that this happened a month before the FW cabins project wasn’t even included..which they had to know was in the works..

So, that’s why some are wondering if those will be part of a some level of resurrected Reflections down the road?

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

I was nodding along with “Poly 2 doesn’t have enough space for a really cool pool area” and then someone said infinity pool—if there’s a heated infinitely pool and hot tub that I can watch fireworks from, Disney can take all my money! Of course, then you have to consider how crowded they would be…

 

[Lumee23]

Some pool/splash pad details were posted awhile back here: https://dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts/pol...learned-about-the-polynesian-tower-s-new-pool

 

[Einstein509]

Since we're talking pools, will Poly2 have access to the regular poly pool (not the DVC pool)? If so, this will be a problem. That place is already too crowded and getting chairs/tables is cutthroat. I can't imagine even more people piling into that area.

 

[Sandisw]

Since we're talking pools, will Poly2 have access to the regular poly pool (not the DVC pool)? If so, this will be a problem. That place is already too crowded and getting chairs/tables is cutthroat. I can't imagine even more people piling into that area.

There is no DVC pool at Poly. All pools belong to the hotel and PVB owners have a right to use them. So, there is nothing yet confirmed, but since this tower, regardless of association, is being added to the resort...there is no reason these guests will be blocked from any of the current amenities.

But, if it goes the same association, then it follows all the same rules and all pools will be accessible to all guests, whether they are staying DVC or cash.