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Which training approach do you follow?

I’m with the Galloway customized program that requires a full race rehearsal and doing all the long distances regardless if it takes long time.

Many people have done it and succeded.

Reading the notes on the other thread of caping training at 3 hours and not going beyond 13 ish miles..

Then I wonder if this second one could be a “safer” route to prevent injuries..?

Appreciate your thoughts, thanks!
It's a trade-off, in my opinion. Galloway's plan works well for those who don't want to spend a lot of time training during the week and don't mind putting in the extra-long long run that he calls for. That plan also works well for folks who like the comfort of knowing that they can complete the distance on race day because they've already done it in training.

The training plans that cap the long run at 3 miles typically make use of an accumulated fatigue approach. While you only go out to ~3 hours for a max long run, the remainder of the plan is set up to ensure that you're doing those 3 hours on tired legs. As @DopeyBadger likes to say, don't think of it as just doing the first 13 miles or so of a race, think of it as running miles 13-26 because your legs are tired from the rest of the running that you've done during the week.

Personally, I prefer spreading my mileage out throughout the week instead of leaning so heavily on the long run of the Galloway plan. Both training philosophies work with run/walk, too.
 
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So excited for all you first time marathoners! I went from thinking I'd never do one to "IF I do, it'll be at Disney" and I'm so so glad I followed through. I'm training for my 4th marathon and third Dopey, and I've definitely not gotten any faster.

My advice: lean on this forum for training support and join the meetups at MW! After gutting through my first marathon alone (the notoriously hot 2020 race), I found my rD BFF through this group and we ended up running together almost by accident. I'm not sure if I'd have gotten through my two Dopey marathons without @Herding_Cats 🥰 I'm counting on her (and all of you) for this next one, but also looking to pay it forward!
 
I am glad this thread is here 🙏

Back in 2003 when I had decided to give up smoking and run the 2004 WDW Marathon having never ran so much as a mile before I happened on a Team Penguin Disney group on Yahoo groups.

Specifically for slower runners and brought about by John Bingham the Runnersworld columnist and author which I’m sure many will be familiar with.

The folks on that group were so supportive and helped me get ready for that day in Jan 2004.

Over the course of the next 18 months the group declined and no one posted on it anymore. I missed it a lot and one of the reasons I started my training log on here
Years later was the Run Disney forum on these boards reminded me of that non judgemental supportive and friendly community.

One of positives of the dawn of Facebook was that despite the forum folding I still keep in touch with many from that group 20 years later. Here is a photo from the meet up prior to the start with some of that group.

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Some there have now stopped running due to health issues and others still running a lot.

Anyway I am happy there is a not so fast group and happy to be part of it 😃👍
 
I found my rD BFF through this group and we ended up running together almost by accident. I'm not sure if I'd have gotten through my two Dopey marathons without @Herding_Cats 🥰 I'm counting on her (and all of you) for this next one, but also looking to pay it forward!
YES!! COME TO THE MEETUPS! I can promise that everyone is really nice, and it's fun to put a face to the screenname.

On the morning of my first Disney half marathon I was sitting in the corrals trying to figure out what in the heck I'd gotten myself into. I had only run a few very small local races, and had literally prepped myself on how to navigate the busses, security, pre-race area, and corrals based on this forum, and some youtube videos. And it was a lot. I hadn't managed to locate the morning meetup (we have a sign now!) when I spotted @The Expert walking past. And the only reason I knew it was her was because of the pics that had been shared of her amazing costume. We decided to give running together a try, and it worked out so well that we decided to run the marathon together the next day, and then the half and full the following year as well! She had all of the tips and tricks when I was slightly panicked at how sore I was after the half and really questioning how I was going to get through the full the next day. And it worked!

All of this is to say, if you have questions about logistics, race-morning practices, post-race logistical stuff, ASK. And when we get closer to race day, maybe some of us can group up either in the corrals or along the course whether it's for the whole distance or just for a mile or 2.
 
Thank you all! I've ran one marathon before (back in 2019) but it did not go well. I finished, but hit the wall at mile 20 and swore I would never do one again (never say never...). I'm working with a coach now to help me prepare better for the 2025 WDW marathon, and I hope it will help. I did a 14 miler today and it was a challenge, but it was also still a humid 80+ degrees. I love running first thing in the morning so I'm not too concerned about the early wake up, but I have been wondering how you handle the long wait from when you get to the race start to when your corral finally gets to go. I haven't done an rD race since 2018 but I remember how long one can stand around-- just wondering how people conserve their energy and time their fueling for the full.
 
Thank you all! I've ran one marathon before (back in 2019) but it did not go well. I finished, but hit the wall at mile 20 and swore I would never do one again (never say never...). I'm working with a coach now to help me prepare better for the 2025 WDW marathon, and I hope it will help. I did a 14 miler today and it was a challenge, but it was also still a humid 80+ degrees. I love running first thing in the morning so I'm not too concerned about the early wake up, but I have been wondering how you handle the long wait from when you get to the race start to when your corral finally gets to go. I haven't done an rD race since 2018 but I remember how long one can stand around-- just wondering how people conserve their energy and time their fueling for the full.
I’m usually in one of the later corrals. I try to get there by 4:30; I don’t want to be there too early so I can go to the bathroom as late as possible and keep moving/mobile as long as possible. I don’t care about getting to the front because being up there gives me anxiety. Once in the corral I sit on the ground as long as possible (unfortunately people always stand up too early and crowd forward and then I have no choice but to stand). Then I just grin and bear it.
 
I have been wondering how you handle the long wait from when you get to the race start to when your corral finally gets to go. I haven't done an rD race since 2018 but I remember how long one can stand around-- just wondering how people conserve their energy and time their fueling for the full.
I try to get into about the 1/3 line in the corral, and SIT off to the edge. (This also makes you easier to find if you are trying to meet up with someone in the corrals because the corral dividers give a physical limit to where you can be instead of somewhere in the midst of the sea of humanity. SITTING. For as long as possible. I bring something to eat in the corral (like oatmeal in a paper coffee cup from the resort room, a banana, a bagel, etc.) because I get up and have something light with coffee at around 2am. If I didn't eat in the corral the only other thing I'd be eating for the next 10 hours is fuel on the course. That's a long time. By eating in the corral I can get that down to about 7-7.5 hours.
(unfortunately people always stand up too early and crowd forward and then I have no choice but to stand). Then I just grin and bear it.
And this is the issue. Usually from about the time they sing the national anthem, everyone is up on their feet. If you are in D/E/F corral that can be up to an hour on your feet, which honestly sucks. With the new corral setup, there's quite a bit of shuffling/snaking around to get to the start instead of the old straight-shot walk forward on the highway. Embrace the dance party to warm up your legs a little!
 
Which training approach do you follow?

I’m with the Galloway customized program that requires a full race rehearsal and doing all the long distances regardless if it takes long time.

Many people have done it and succeded.

Reading the notes on the other thread of caping training at 3 hours and not going beyond 13 ish miles..

Then I wonder if this second one could be a “safer” route to prevent injuries..?

Appreciate your thoughts, thanks!
I used the Galloway method for my first Half Marathon in 2011 and continued using it through the 2018 Star Wars Dark Side Challenge. At that point, the thoughts of ever attempting the marathon had begun to change from no way, never happening to maybe this is something I want to take on.

However, as a member of team not so fast, I had zero desire whatsoever to put in the weekly long run his marathon plan called for. So for a local 2018 Half Marathon, I tried a @DopeyBadger plan that involved more longer runs during the week so I could have a manageable long run on the weekend instead of 4-6 hour long run. Despite an extremely difficult race slog, I managed to knock 3 minutes off my 7 year old PR at that point. I was sold.

I continue to use the Galloway principles of run/walk/run in both training and racing. I learned a lot from the Galloway method and never would have come to where I am today without it.
The training plans that cap the long run at 3 miles typically make use of an accumulated fatigue approach. While you only go out to ~3 hours for a max long run, the remainder of the plan is set up to ensure that you're doing those 3 hours on tired legs. As @DopeyBadger likes to say, don't think of it as just doing the first 13 miles or so of a race, think of it as running miles 13-26 because your legs are tired from the rest of the running that you've done during the week.

Personally, I prefer spreading my mileage out throughout the week instead of leaning so heavily on the long run of the Galloway plan. Both training philosophies work with run/walk, too.
I too prefer spreading my mileage out during the week. It's easier to run 90 minutes one or two days during the week than have to run 4 or 5 hours on the weekend.

Last October, I spent a week in the hospital with pneumonia and missed an entire month of training for Dopey to Dumbo. I had to modify the plan and cut out some longer runs, but even then I ran my first or second fastest marathon ever and finished all 3 Disneyland races one week later.
So excited for all you first time marathoners! I went from thinking I'd never do one to "IF I do, it'll be at Disney" and I'm so so glad I followed through. I'm training for my 4th marathon and third Dopey, and I've definitely not gotten any faster.

My advice: lean on this forum for training support and join the meetups at MW! After gutting through my first marathon alone (the notoriously hot 2020 race), I found my rD BFF through this group and we ended up running together almost by accident. I'm not sure if I'd have gotten through my two Dopey marathons without @Herding_Cats 🥰 I'm counting on her (and all of you) for this next one, but also looking to pay it forward!
Similar here. I went from I will never run a marathon to first marathon as a part of Dopey. I never would have gotten to this point if not for the encouragement and support of so many on these boards, many of whom I've never met. During the hardest moments of the marathon, I remembered the words of so many here preparing me for what was to come.
On the morning of my first Disney half marathon I was sitting in the corrals trying to figure out what in the heck I'd gotten myself into.
I let those feelings get the best of me before my first half marathon as well. Took me 2 more races to discover that I actually enjoyed races. A few years later after some training adjustments, I came to learn that I loved running as well. To all the first timers of any distance, remember to trust your training.

And if you start to struggle with something during that training, please do not repeat the mistakes I made training for my first half. Reach out to people and ask questions. You'll get some great answers. You'll get encouragement, and you will know you're not alone in this. I'm still very much on team not so fast. I'm also a 5 time Dopey finisher. Speed is less important than your desire to put the work in and prepare.

BYU Hall of Fame football coach LaVell Edwards said "the will to prepare is more important than the will to win." When the mileage mounts and the fatigue sets in during the marathon, around mile 22 or 23, I tell myself "I have ran these 3-4 miles multiple times a week for many months now. I know how to run these miles because I practiced running them every time I didn't want to go out for a run."
 
Reading the notes on the other thread of caping training at 3 hours and not going beyond 13 ish miles..

Then I wonder if this second one could be a “safer” route to prevent injuries..?
I can say - with a great deal of certainty - that the Galloway method is "safe." People who bash going up to 26 miles (note: I'm not referring to DIS, but in the general running community) don't understand how combining a slow long-run pace with run-walk decreases the injury risk to an acceptable level. But no marathon training method is risk free.

The thing that convinced me that Galloway was right for me was when it said that "there are a lot of plans out there that will get you over the finish line, but Galloway is designed to get you to the start line healthy." I happen to believe that Jeff has worked to look at feedback and results from a wide variety of runners (including the not-so-fast runners) to create a method that works to have healthy runners start and finish their races.

On my first Dopey with the Galloway method, I was recovering from plantar fasciitis. Not only did I finish, while running strong for all four races, but I came out healthier than I was when I started the training. I know that I am a sample of one, but I've seen so many other people with similar results to make me a believer.

Personally, I prefer spreading my mileage out throughout the week instead of leaning so heavily on the long run of the Galloway plan. Both training philosophies work with run/walk, too.

Just a different perspective - I know that this doesn't work for me. My body needs the cross-training and rest days. If I tried running 5-6 days a week (which is what most other plans call for), my body would start breaking down.

Plus it is so much easier for me to get my weekday runs in when I can tell myself that they are only 30 minutes.

However, as a member of team not so fast, I had zero desire whatsoever to put in the weekly long run his marathon plan called for.

I see this misconception repeated a lot. The Galloway plans only have a long run every other weekend until you get up a certain point (17 miles) and then it's every 3 weeks. The other weeks are between 3-6 miles. I'm definitely not fast and can usually get the alternating weeks done in 1.5ish hours.

Do I have to dedicate entire day(s) for the really long runs? Absolutely! But personally I'm okay with the trade-off to have my evenings during the weeks.

So what training plan is right for you? Whichever one you can follow! One thing that I think almost any running coach will agree upon is that consistency is key.
 
I have another question for you :)
Sports massage -_ART & heavy weights training…

I have been carrying knee pain for a while now.. I finally went to see an Orthopedist (sports oriented).. and he told me that the pain is mostly glutes and hip stiffness … then he recommended frequent visits to the sports massages plus adding heavy weights training…

I went yesterday to the massage.. holy cow is painful!! The therapist told me that I have been using only quads to run, severely contracted and that heavy weights for glutes strength are a must to reduce injuries and the knee issue…

I guess I could look for the routines for training… but I wonder how do you manage it all…?

Weights plus strength plus balance plus endurance plus flexibility plus massage plus.. running

I am considering shifting to just walk… but maybe is overwhelm-feeling talking..

Ps. ART massage.. very painful while on it but felt so much better after

Thanks for your comments!
 
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I have another question for you :)
Sports massage -_ART & heavy weights training…

I have been carrying knee pain for a while now.. I finally went to see an Orthopedist (sports oriented).. and he told me that the pain is mostly glutes and hip stiffness … then he recommended frequent visits to the sports massages plus adding heavy weights training…

I went yesterday to the massage.. holy cow is painful!! The therapist told me that I have been using only quads to run, severely contracted and that heavy weights for glutes strength are a must to reduce injuries and the knee issue…

I guess I could look for the routines for training… but I wonder how do you manage it all…?

Weights plus strength plus balance plus endurance plus flexibility plus massage plus.. running

I am considering shifting to just walk… but maybe is overwhelm-feeling talking..

Ps. ART massage.. very painful while on it but felt so much better after

Thanks for your comments!
It can definitely be a challenge fitting everything in, especially when you have to add PT and/or massaging into the routine. I did have PT over the summer and while I'm not going anymore, I try to do the exercises and stretches 3-4 times/week. Here is what my routine looks like:
-Monday AM: lower body strength work (quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves) + abs
-Monday PM: stretch, foam rolling for about 10-15 min
-Tuesday AM: 5 mi run + strides + PT; then stretch & foam roll for 7-10 min
-Wednesday AM: upper body pull strength work + abs
-Wednesday PM: stretch & foam roll for 10-15 min
-Thursday AM: 5 mi run + PT
-Thursday PM: stretch & foam roll
-Friday AM: upper body push strength work + abs
-Friday PM: stretch & foam roll
-Saturday AM: long run
-Saturday PM: PT, stretch, foam roll
-Sunday AM: 4 mi run
-Sunday PM: PT, stretch, foam roll

It is now just part of my rhythm. I do get up super early (about 4:15-4:30) to fit it all in + getting ready before taking care of my kid then going to work. I don't have much time for hobbies per se, so running and listening to podcasts while running has become my hobby. I'm not sure how much this helps, but I can relate to it just being a lot to fit in.
 
I have been carrying knee pain for a while now.. I finally went to see an Orthopedist (sports oriented).. and he told me that the pain is mostly glutes and hip stiffness … then he recommended frequent visits to the sports massages plus adding heavy weights training…

I went yesterday to the massage.. holy cow is painful!! The therapist told me that I have been using only quads to run, severely contracted and that heavy weights for glutes strength are a must to reduce injuries and the knee issue…

I guess I could look for the routines for training… but I wonder how do you manage it all…?

There is muscle “tightness,” which comes from shortened muscles caused by overuse. And then there is muscle weakness. The vast majority of running injuries and problems come from muscle imbalances caused by a combination of both. Running is a mechanically complicated movement that involves a whole chain of muscles. Your quads pull your leg forward, your hamstrings pull your leg back, your glutes and hip flexors stabilize your pelvis and core. Running is primarily quad dominant, which can lead to underdevelopment of the other muscles. The quads transfer energy to the hamstring, which can be injured if not strong enough to use that energy to propel you forward.

Another problem is that underdeveloped muscles are then overcompensated by other muscles, which then can lead to those muscles getting injured. Everything is connected. A knot or a pulled muscle is your body contracting that muscle because it senses injury and is trying to protect it.

Here is my routine:

Flexibility—yoga, yoga, yoga. I have the Peleton App and use Denis Morton’s runners yoga. Lots of pigeon pose, lizard, downward dog, etc. The classes are 10-20 minutes, and focus on hips, hamstrings, calves, and overall mobility.

Strength: DEADLIFTS! Seriously, deadlifts are the best. I used to deadlift 325, but now I concentrate on more functional strength. Romanian deadlifts are fantastic for targeting the hamstrings. Also, hamstring curls, calf raises, and squats. I use free weights to target all the balancing muscles that get used in supporting the pelvis and core
 
I have another question for you :)
Sports massage -_ART & heavy weights training…

I have been carrying knee pain for a while now.. I finally went to see an Orthopedist (sports oriented).. and he told me that the pain is mostly glutes and hip stiffness … then he recommended frequent visits to the sports massages plus adding heavy weights training…

I went yesterday to the massage.. holy cow is painful!! The therapist told me that I have been using only quads to run, severely contracted and that heavy weights for glutes strength are a must to reduce injuries and the knee issue…

I guess I could look for the routines for training… but I wonder how do you manage it all…?

Weights plus strength plus balance plus endurance plus flexibility plus massage plus.. running

I am considering shifting to just walk… but maybe is overwhelm-feeling talking..

Ps. ART massage.. very painful while on it but felt so much better after

Thanks for your comments!
I do a number of different things and I will admit, I'm terrible at foam running (hi, I'm a runner :P ). I've dealth with ITBS since 2013 and it was so bad I couldn't run a mile without pain the first two years. I did 3 rounds of PT, did Arrosti treatments while living in Dallas, and have worked with strength coaches because, shock of shocks, my glutes weren't firing.

Monday: Peloton cycle plus strength from RunFitMama
Tuesday: Run at lunch, then yoga after work
Wednesday: Recovery run, then more strength from RunFitMama
Thursday: Speed/hill work at lunch, then Peloton barre after work
Friday: full rest
Saturday: Easy run plus yoga
Sunday: long run

I started doing barre during by second round of PT since everything we did used their equipment, and I didn't have any of that at home. I know most of PT is done with exercises at home, so I started supplementing. Barre puts the participants in positions that make the small muscles work, and holy cow my small muscles still need work. They are more than happy to let the big muscles do all the work so I have to target those.
 
Hey all my fellow not-so-fasters- wondering how many miles a week you guys train for a half marathon? I put together my own training plan for January's half using a combo of a few different plans and I just wanted to see what other actual people are doing. My peak week is planned to be 27 miles.
 
Hey all my fellow not-so-fasters- wondering how many miles a week you guys train for a half marathon? I put together my own training plan for January's half using a combo of a few different plans and I just wanted to see what other actual people are doing. My peak week is planned to be 27 miles.
my peak week for *marathon* training (from Billy) is usually around 30. That comes out to about 6.5-7 hours depending on the plan and paces. FWIW, my easy pace for those plans is about 14:00.
 












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