The Official DIS Oscars LIVE Watch Party Thread! The Afterparty continues. . .

[BrianL]

Would you feel the same way about a husband hitting his wife? If she doesn't want to press charges or make a big deal of it, it's no biggie?

No, not at all because that is a VERY different situation. I don't understand the equivocation here.

This mindset that Rock even gets to choose if charges are filed or not....

The victim never decides if charges are filed - but prosecutors would find it hard to win the case without a cooperative victim. Sure, in this case they probably could, but what would be the result? A fine? Probation? The reality is that it just wouldn't matter. The damage to his reputation is already his consequence.

Will Smith is out of control....

He is? He slapped one guy, a guy who I'm pretty sure understands that he crossed a line. When he goes on a serial slapping spree, let me know.

 

[brockash]

No, not at all because that is a VERY different situation. I don't understand the equivocation here.



The victim never decides if charges are filed - but prosecutors would find it hard to win the case without a cooperative victim. Sure, in this case they probably could, but what would be the result? A fine? Probation? The reality is that it just wouldn't matter. The damage to his reputation is already his consequence.



He is? He slapped one guy, a guy who I'm pretty sure understands that he crossed a line. When he goes on a serial slapping spree, let me know.

Hmmmm....I guess it depends on what kind of life you choose lead. Not the OP, but a successful, 50 something year old married father getting up in the middle of an awards show to go stomp on stage in front of millions of ppl. to slap a guy....ummm yes. definitely someone who chose to not practice self-control or discipline. Pretty pathetic snd despicable behavior.

 

[BrianL]

Hmmmm....I guess it depends on what kind of life you choose lead. Not the OP, but a successful, 50 something year old married father getting up in the middle of an awards show to go stomp on stage in front of millions of ppl. to slap a guy....ummm yes. definitely someone who chose to not practice self-control or discipline. Pretty pathetic snd despicable behavior.

I can agree that it is that - no question. I just don't think that all pathetic behavior is worth all this tooth-gnashing or legal prosecution either.

 

[Pink Partridge]

He is? He slapped one guy, a guy who I'm pretty sure understands that he crossed a line. When he goes on a serial slapping spree, let me know.

He walked up on stage in front of millions of people and struck another human.

Try doing it at work one day and see if they say "Oh well. He isn't a 'serial slapper' so we aren't going to give him any consequences."

How do you feel if he would have slapped Amy Schumer? Still not a big deal?

 

[BrianL]

He walked up on stage in front of millions of people and struck another human.

Try doing it at work one day and see if they say "Oh well. He isn't a 'serial slapper' so we aren't going to give him any consequences."

But there are consequences - they're all happening right now. Clearly public sentiment isn't on his side, he has damaged his reputation and likely his career.

If I slapped someone at work I would certainly expect to be fired. To look at it another way though, if I were to be slapped, and I wasn't actually injured, I wouldn't expect anything at all.

 

[Sinder]

I dunno, I just can't get all worked up about it. I do agree that Will was in the wrong. It's been recognized and can be dealt with by the parties involved.

Recognizing assault as not "no big deal" is not getting all worked up. It's common sense and decency.

 

[Carol_]

You don't hit anyone!!! period...

Unless they’re a threat. In that case…

 

[BrianL]

Recognizing assault as not "no big deal" is not getting all worked up. It's common sense and decency.

Might I ask then, is all "assault" equal? Should it all be treated exactly the same under the law?

To me, it's not. The assault that took place here was an isolated incident that did not escalate, is unlikely to happen again, and did not result in injury. In my hierarchy of evil, it's pretty low on the list.

 

[Imzadi]

Or they would have been seen publicly hugging it out later, last night. (Supposedly Puff Daddy/P.Diddy/Sean Combs has said the two men "have worked it out.") But why no photos of that?

According to TMZ Live, on now, they say that Chris Rock and Will Smith have NOT worked anything out. In fact they haven't talked since the slap. "A source with direct knowledge tells us Chris and Will haven't settled anything, despite a claim from Diddy saying everything was cool. In fact, we're told the whole thing stunned Chris ... who went straight to his dressing room after the slap and there has been no communication since between the two men. "

TMZ sources have also confirmed that "Chris had no idea Jada had alopecia."

Here is a photo, taken during the commercial break, where Chris did go to the end of the stage to talk to Will and Jada sitting in their seats. That is Denzel standing between them, acting as some intermediary, in case the situation escalates. TMZ aired a different photo where one of Denzel's hands is up further from his side indicating, "Stay back," or "Let's keep this peaceful, guys."

Will and Jada weren't willing to talk to Chris.

Exactly my take. GI Jane was a bad *** and Demi was a stunning bald woman. I understand why she may not have taken it as a compliment, but it is a gigantic stretch to suggest it was an insult of any kind! I'd actually be interested in Jada in military leadership or something. She'd probably be great in a role like that!

Jada did play a strong military role. She was in a Gerard Butler movie, Angel Has Fallen, where she did play a strong, bad *** FBI agent who kicked butt. So, it wasn't uncalled for for Chris to joke another role like that may be her next role - since he didn't know she has alopecia.

 

[Sinder]

Might I ask then, is all "assault" equal? Should it all be treated exactly the same under the law?

To me, it's not. The assault that took place here was an isolated incident that did not escalate, is unlikely to happen again, and did not result in injury. In my hierarchy of evil, it's pretty low on the list.

No of course all assault is not equal. That doesn't mean hitting someone (i.e assault) isn't a big deal.
Will Smith isn't evil, I don't think he should be locked away, but I don't agree that what he did should be brushed off as just nothing the way you seem too (and at this point, The Academy).

Let me ask you this, if someone is walking down the street and a stranger comes up and just smacks them in the face, do you think that isn't a big deal?
Are you OK living in a world where that kind of stuff is brushed off and accepted?

 

[Marrila]

Might I ask then, is all "assault" equal? Should it all be treated exactly the same under the law?

To me, it's not. The assault that took place here was an isolated incident that did not escalate, is unlikely to happen again, and did not result in injury. In my hierarchy of evil, it's pretty low on the list.

I'm bothered someone can walk up to a person performing live, assault them, and then walk back to their seat, plop down and enjoyed the rest of the show.
This is not acceptable. He should have been removed.

 

[Karin1984]

According to TMZ, Chris hasn't spoken to Will after the incident. And Diddy is talking nonsense.

But on a completely different note: Could anyone here understand the alternative lyrics to We Don't Talk About Bruno? It was something about the Oscars, but besides some words here and there, I have no idea what they were singing.

 

[Carol_]

According to the CNN article I read it is the autoimmune one (areata).

So it’s probably traction alopecia, then.

 

[BrianL]

No of course all assault is not equal. That doesn't mean hitting someone (i.e assault) isn't a big deal.
Will Smith isn't evil, I don't think he should be locked away, but I don't agree that what he did should be brushed off as just nothing the way you seem too.

Let me ask you this, if someone is walking down the street and a stranger comes up and just smacks them in the face, do you think that isn't a big deal?
Are you OK living in a world where that kind of stuff is brushed off and accepted?

I think our difference of opinion is that I don't see it as a big deal to me because I am not the aggreived party. It is up to Chris Rock to determine if it is a big deal to him - so far he hasn't done so, but maybe he will choose to. I would support any action he wanted to pursue. If it were me though, I would probably not pursue it, even if it were a stranger from the street. If it happened every day, then yeah, but it doesn't and wouldn't and, you know, my time is mine.

I'm bothered someone can walk up to a person performing live, assault them, and then walk back to their seat, plop down and enjoyed the rest of the show.
This is not acceptable. He should have been removed.

I absolutely agree that asking him to leave the venue would have been 100% appropropriate and should have been done, even if he did win an award. That's on the Academy and event organizers and it is a bad look for sure.

 

[Sinder]

I think our difference of opinion is that I don't see it as a big deal to me because I am not the aggreived party. It is up to Chris Rock to determine if it is a big deal to him - so far he hasn't done so, but maybe he will choose to. I would support any action he wanted to pursue. If it were me though, I would probably not pursue it, even if it were a stranger from the street. If it happened every day, then yeah, but it doesn't and wouldn't and, you know, my time is mine.

Ok, I see what you are saying. I personally think it is a big deal in general because I don't see this as any different than a stranger in the street walking up to someone and assaulting them.
Actually I think the legal term is battery (Definition. 1. In criminal law, this is a physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another person without that person's consent. 2. In tort law, the intentional causation of harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent). It's too bad JimMIA isn't here, he'd be able to clarify I'm sure.

You say it doesn't happen every day, but I think you are wrong. People are assaulted every day, not just in the US but in the world. Maybe it isn't always a minor assault as a slap in the face, but there are people out there everyday thinking it's no big deal to beat someone, or worse.
Maybe they do that because they are emboldened when they see that we as a society accept a certain level of assault as no big deal. I don't know, but I certainly don't think it helps.

 

[BrianL]

Ok, I see what you are saying. I personally think it is a big deal in general because I don't see this as any different than a stranger in the street walking up to someone and assaulting them.
Actually I think the legal term is battery (Definition. 1. In criminal law, this is a physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another person without that person's consent. 2. In tort law, the intentional causation of harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent). It's too bad JimMIA isn't here, he'd be able to clarify I'm sure.

You say it doesn't happen every day, but I think you are wrong. People are assaulted every day, not just in the US but in the world. Maybe it isn't always a minor assault as a slap in the face, but there are people out there everyday thinking it's no big deal to beat someone, or worse.
Maybe they do that because they are emboldened when they see that we as a society accept a certain level of assault as no big deal. I don't know, but I certainly don't think it helps.

No, you're right, assault happens every day - I just meant that "random street slappings" do not happen every day - and they're not going to start if Will Smith gets away with it. I am basing it very much on what I would do, and most likely, barring any additional circumstances, I would just let it go.

 

[Moliphino]

But on a completely different note: Could anyone here understand the alternative lyrics to We Don't Talk About Bruno? It was something about the Oscars, but besides some words here and there, I have no idea what they were singing.

Nope. And I was disappointed they didn't just perform the song as it is in the movie.

 

[brockash]

But there are consequences - they're all happening right now. Clearly public sentiment isn't on his side, he has damaged his reputation and likely his career.

If I slapped someone at work I would certainly expect to be fired. To look at it another way though, if I were to be slapped, and I wasn't actually injured, I wouldn't expect anything at all.

There have not been ANY consequences. He got to sit back down in his cozy seat, go up and make an acceptance speech, then go out and party after. I'm not sure in what reality any of that is ok. He should've been escorted out immediately and then charged with assault.

 

[EMom]

So is it open season on physically attacking comedians who offend us? Because Will Smith and the Academy just green-lighted that last night.

 

[dcassetta]

So is it open season on physically attacking comedians who offend us? Because Will Smith and the Academy just green-lighted that last night.

I saw a tweet from Kathy Griffin essentially saying the same thing.

We will see if there are repercussions for Will Smith. There are people that are denouncing his actions, but quite a few are praising him for "standing up for his woman". Tiffany Haddish said "It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen." Clearly, she needs to see more things!