The Official Bachelor Thread ~ Deanna comes back!

[zalansky]

{shrug} I don't know if it was scripted. I do think that Melissa knew what was coming. I wonder if she had to put herself out there because she was under contract to do the ATR Show. She looked like she was coming out to her own execution. I *do* agree with a PP who pointed out the she said she was always "The Dumpee" and there she was again. Dumped and Duped. There must be something about her that makes guys run. Maybe it's her annoying giggle. Or maybe it's the way she wraps her legs around them all the time. Or maybe it's the way she fixes her hair in a little lump on top of her head. Whatever the reasons, being dumped on National television stinks.

This is what I have been debating about with my husband. I told him that something is off with melissa. HUGE red flags go up for me that she has always been the dumpee. When Jason said things changed after the final show, I said yeah, you realized she was nuts. I also don't like the nervous laugh that seems forced most of the time. The faces that don't seem genuine.

I don't care how it happened, I am sure ABC played a big part in all of it - but I am glad he is with Molly. Don't care whether they last or not - it made for good TV. ABC knew that, everyone's talking about it.

 

[WDWRocksMySocks]

Speaking of embarrassing, I feel like the biggest fool EVER for watching this mess. ABC should be ashamed. They did this for another hour of ratings tomorrow and now the rubberneckers WILL return. I hope Jason loves his transformation from the nice victimized single Dad to the Tool of the Year~ He should expect to be egged in the streets of Seattle soon!

Oh my gosh, ITA w/ you Robin!!!

 

[kamgen]

I guess I am in the minority here and should expect to get flames thrown at me!
I was actually impressed that Jason had the guts to man up and say he made a mistake. I do feel bad for Melissa, but I am sure there are things that happened or were said that we dont know. If I am with someone who cannot stop thinking about someone else, I would want to know sooner rather than later. I really think that DeAnna threw him for a loop. Her doubts and mistakes turned into his doubts. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to have cameras in your face and all the hype around something so personal. Like Jason said, unless you are in that seat, you dont know. Was he a jerk to Melissa, maybe so. But how was Melissa to him leading up to the break-up. Easy to take her side when you only see what he is doing and saying. I was never really a fan of either of them (I liked Jillian!) so this isnt a Molly vs. Melissa thing for me. I just think that everyone is so quick to call him every name in the book and blame him. People are entitled to change their mind and follow their heart....even if their heart is confusing the heck out of everyone else! And to say he is a bad role model for his son is awful. Up until now everyone thought he was father of the year and now, because he had a change of heart, people crucify him. I dont get that. He wants to be sure.....he wants a good woman to share his life with...and if it takes some soul searching and hard choices, oh well. We all make mistakes....and change our mind. Maybe he shouldnt have proposed in the first place, but he did. Better to realize he made a mistake now than after they actually got married.
Good for him for manning up to the fact that he made a mistake. And if it doesnt work out with Molly, who are we to judge? Love is all about taking chances. I hope it works out for him and whoever he spends his life with.

As for the show last night, from what I understand, Jason and Melissa were broken up but they had to go on ATFR as part of their contractual agreement and Melissa was probably hoping for a different outcome. I don't think the thing with Molly as scripted.

JMHO.

 

[robinb]

Good for him for manning up to the fact that he made a mistake. And if it doesnt work out with Molly, who are we to judge? Love is all about taking chances. I hope it works out for him and whoever he spends his life with.

No flames from me. I have to wonder what the contractual agreements are about him seeing the women who have been sent home. I wonder if there is a "no contract" clause. Perhaps changing his mind publicly (making *great* "reality" TV, BTW) was the only way he could see Molly under his agreement with ABC.

 

[Nicoleclaw]

I guess I am in the minority here and should expect to get flames thrown at me!
I was actually impressed that Jason had the guts to man up and say he made a mistake. I do feel bad for Melissa, but I am sure there are things that happened or were said that we dont know. If I am with someone who cannot stop thinking about someone else, I would want to know sooner rather than later. I really think that DeAnna threw him for a loop. Her doubts and mistakes turned into his doubts. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to have cameras in your face and all the hype around something so personal. Like Jason said, unless you are in that seat, you dont know. Was he a jerk to Melissa, maybe so. But how was Melissa to him leading up to the break-up. Easy to take her side when you only see what he is doing and saying. I was never really a fan of either of them (I liked Jillian!) so this isnt a Molly vs. Melissa thing for me. I just think that everyone is so quick to call him every name in the book and blame him. People are entitled to change their mind and follow their heart....even if their heart is confusing the heck out of everyone else! And to say he is a bad role model for his son is awful. Up until now everyone thought he was father of the year and now, because he had a change of heart, people crucify him. I dont get that. He wants to be sure.....he wants a good woman to share his life with...and if it takes some soul searching and hard choices, oh well. We all make mistakes....and change our mind. Maybe he shouldnt have proposed in the first place, but he did. Better to realize he made a mistake now than after they actually got married.
Good for him for manning up to the fact that he made a mistake. And if it doesnt work out with Molly, who are we to judge? Love is all about taking chances. I hope it works out for him and whoever he spends his life with.

As for the show last night, from what I understand, Jason and Melissa were broken up but they had to go on ATFR as part of their contractual agreement and Melissa was probably hoping for a different outcome. I don't think the thing with Molly as scripted.

JMHO.

I agree. I think he is brave for going with his heart, and not staying with melissa if he was thinking of molly. He pretty much said on KImmel that he was required by contract to have the relationship play out on tv. what do i think about he and molly not seeing or talking since the final rose? hmmm not sure what i believe on that one.

 

[happygirl]

Jason last night made Brad Womack look like a saint. I don't care that Jason had a change of heart everyone does. I can't believe for one second Jason wasn't wih Molly this whole time. I don't care what if ABC told me I had to come on do that there is no way I would. My rep would be worth more then that.

I personally think everyone was in on this little scheme expect Melissa

 

[chyam]

I guess I am in the minority here and should expect to get flames thrown at me!
I was actually impressed that Jason had the guts to man up and say he made a mistake. I do feel bad for Melissa, but I am sure there are things that happened or were said that we dont know. If I am with someone who cannot stop thinking about someone else, I would want to know sooner rather than later. I really think that DeAnna threw him for a loop. Her doubts and mistakes turned into his doubts. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to have cameras in your face and all the hype around something so personal. Like Jason said, unless you are in that seat, you dont know. Was he a jerk to Melissa, maybe so. But how was Melissa to him leading up to the break-up. Easy to take her side when you only see what he is doing and saying. I was never really a fan of either of them (I liked Jillian!) so this isnt a Molly vs. Melissa thing for me. I just think that everyone is so quick to call him every name in the book and blame him. People are entitled to change their mind and follow their heart....even if their heart is confusing the heck out of everyone else! And to say he is a bad role model for his son is awful. Up until now everyone thought he was father of the year and now, because he had a change of heart, people crucify him. I dont get that. He wants to be sure.....he wants a good woman to share his life with...and if it takes some soul searching and hard choices, oh well. We all make mistakes....and change our mind. Maybe he shouldnt have proposed in the first place, but he did. Better to realize he made a mistake now than after they actually got married.
Good for him for manning up to the fact that he made a mistake. And if it doesnt work out with Molly, who are we to judge? Love is all about taking chances. I hope it works out for him and whoever he spends his life with.

As for the show last night, from what I understand, Jason and Melissa were broken up but they had to go on ATFR as part of their contractual agreement and Melissa was probably hoping for a different outcome. I don't think the thing with Molly as scripted.

JMHO.

I agree with you also! In the past we have learned that most of the couples split up shortly after the final show was taped anyways. Perhaps ABC didn't feel that it was fair to all of us either to find out what the circumstances were. Granted it was not a "nice" thing to do to Melissa on tv but it is also not nice to the other girl when the final rose is handed out either! But these people put themselves in the limelight so should expect to reap the good and the bad....I do believe that Jason could not contact Molly until the show last night and he felt he needed to let her know how he really felt...so kudos to Jason for standing up like a man and telling people how he was feeling and what he felt he needed to do instead of just ending a week after the show ended.

 

[piglet too]

I guess I am in the minority here and should expect to get flames thrown at me!
I was actually impressed that Jason had the guts to man up and say he made a mistake. I do feel bad for Melissa, but I am sure there are things that happened or were said that we dont know. If I am with someone who cannot stop thinking about someone else, I would want to know sooner rather than later. I really think that DeAnna threw him for a loop. Her doubts and mistakes turned into his doubts. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to have cameras in your face and all the hype around something so personal. Like Jason said, unless you are in that seat, you dont know. Was he a jerk to Melissa, maybe so. But how was Melissa to him leading up to the break-up. Easy to take her side when you only see what he is doing and saying. I was never really a fan of either of them (I liked Jillian!) so this isnt a Molly vs. Melissa thing for me. I just think that everyone is so quick to call him every name in the book and blame him. People are entitled to change their mind and follow their heart....even if their heart is confusing the heck out of everyone else! And to say he is a bad role model for his son is awful. Up until now everyone thought he was father of the year and now, because he had a change of heart, people crucify him. I dont get that. He wants to be sure.....he wants a good woman to share his life with...and if it takes some soul searching and hard choices, oh well. We all make mistakes....and change our mind. Maybe he shouldnt have proposed in the first place, but he did. Better to realize he made a mistake now than after they actually got married.
Good for him for manning up to the fact that he made a mistake. And if it doesnt work out with Molly, who are we to judge? Love is all about taking chances. I hope it works out for him and whoever he spends his life with.

As for the show last night, from what I understand, Jason and Melissa were broken up but they had to go on ATFR as part of their contractual agreement and Melissa was probably hoping for a different outcome. I don't think the thing with Molly as scripted.

JMHO.

I am with you on this. I too believe that there was no contact, and due to a contract with ABC, he had to do it this way. He did not want to "lead" Melissa on for another month (to what would have been the only ATFR, filmed last Friday) so he did what they told him to do.

 

[Robinrs]

For those who haven't read this yet this is from Reality Steve's blog:

“Ok, so let me break it all down for you as I understand it:

Absolute fact:
1) Jason proposes to Melissa in NZ
2) Jason sees Melissa roughly twice a month from end of NZ (they stayed three days together after FRC) to the emergency taping
3) Jason tells Melissa it is over.
4) Melissa flips out. Screams. Yells. Cries. Calls him a bunch of names, etc. etc. Basically a total meltdown.
5) The second ATFR is like normal. Jason/Molly happy, Melissa okay — it was all for the best, yadda. though obviously I don’t know the exact language.

The following things I’m going to tell you are more complex than stone-cold fact, however I trust my source and STRONGLY believe that everything I’m about to tell you is true because I mean…some of it is too unbelievable and detailed to just pull out of total fabrication.

1) Your interview with Megan, which I listened to late yesterday, corraborated what I had heard about Melissa. She was a bubbly spit fire, however she barely spoke to Jason for the first week.

2) Jason made an instant connection with Molly, and despite her poor edit there are several things during the season (tent date, long walk alone in Seattle) that point to that fact. Yet, it wasn’t over the top because that is not Molly’s personality.

3) Just prior to the Final Five, Jason informed producers that Molly was the one.

4) The plan was formed. Producers asked Jason who he liked second best and he told them he had taken interest in Melissa — had a lot going for her, sweet, attractive, etc. They told him to bring her to the Final Two, pick her at the FRC for drama and that she would get America’s love and attention — aka a set up for The Bachelorette. They convinced Jason that he would do no irrevocable harm to Melissa, because she would get the popularity.

5) I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that Melissa fell in love with Jason. In fact, my source said that is who Chris Harrison and the rest were “cheering for and were happy when they saw her bond with Ty.” Period. Nothing else is true. Melissa fell in love with Jason, the staff saw it and rooted for it and were happy for them.

6) Which leads to this fact. Only three people (Mike Fleiss, another top-level showrunner (Martin), and Jason) knew about the plan until AFTER THE FRC. Immediately after the FRC, Chris H and the rest of the staff was informed of the plan and what would go down at the ATFR. No idea how they reacted, and really it isn’t a big part of the story.

7) Immediately after Jason returned to Seattle he got in touch with producers and they put him in touch with Molly. Molly did NOT know about this plan before the FRC, but DID know about it just several days after the FRC. How do you think she was able to take him back? Because she knew. My guy also told me she will play this off at the ATFR as, “Jason is a good man who was in a high pressure situation. Once he got away from the camera, his heart changed. And I loved him.”

Now, this is the slightly disturbing part but my source said he heard this from reliable people. Remember that I said Melissa was head over heels in love. She saw Jason every other weekend and told Jason she was planning on moving out to Seattle, loved Ty, wanted to start a family. Jason made all of this seem great. He is playing the game, before finally realizing after one of these “heart to hearts” that Melissa was seriously falling for him.

9) He called the producers and they moved up the show for him but told him he had to do it, per the agreed “twist”, on camera.

 

[Tuffcookie]

Here's my take on last night's events...

I think Jason would have picked Molly up until Deanna's "surprise" visit. Then Deanna put doubt in Jason't mind. She told him she went with the "wild card" and she realized, afterwards, she had made a big mistake. I think Jason thought of Molly as the "wild card" and that influenced his final decision.

You could see as soon as he said goodbye to Molly he was completely broken up about it. I don't think that was acting on his part.

We are quick to put Jason down when we really don't know what transpired between Melissa & Jason after the final Rose Ceremony. If the chemistry really wasn't there, then he did the right thing by ending it. Unfortunately, he had to play by ABC's rules by doing the breaking up in public.

TC

 

[java]

Ugh I think he came across as a loser. To dump her on tv. Come on all the past bachelors were able to do it off camera. He's a publicity ho imho. And tonite so what are the rumors? That he'll propose to her or that she'll be pregnant??
I thought he came across looking terrible. To be so cold hearted. I think I know why he's been single.

 

[hmdavid]

anyone else catch jason on jimmy kimmel? he said that he and melissa were already broken up before the taping of the ATFR and that she wasn't even sure whether she should wear the ring or not. when asked why he did it all on national tv he said he had to. so basically everything we saw tonight had already happened and they just made them all reenact that? wow abc, desperate much? tomorrow night should be interesting. actually, most of all i can't wait to see Ellen's reaction to everything. all 3 of them are supposed to be on her show later this week.

I saw Jimmy. I might not approve of the way things played out last night, but I totally believe everything that Jason said on Jimmy. We all know he is not a good enough actor to be that convincing if he were not telling the truth.

 

[Robinrs]

Comment from his MySpace page...where he's being delivered a NEW one....

Jason, how does it feel to be the MOST HATED MAN in AMERICA right now REALITY WISE??? Your SCUM!!

My sentiments almost exactly...

 

[Wishing on a star]

At first, like most people, I thought I liked Jason....
But, after getting to know him over the past year on TV, the blinders are off....

What he did is NOT 'manning up'...
What he did is SCUM.
He has made EVERY EXCUSE in the book...
(but, I can control my heart, I have to go with what is 'right', I don't want any regrets...) Like a freakin' lost puppy dog... Ugggghhh, nothing worse than a grown adult man who acts like that, with nothing but excuses and 'puppy dog eyes'.

I was right there with Melissa, just rolling my eyes in disgust...

Manning-up would be admiting, with NO excuses that he is doing what he is doing because he is hot for Molly.

At this point, it doesn't matter to me whether ABC set this up, or Jason really is a scumbag who, like many men, just doesn't seem to know what he really wants... My opinion of Jason is the same...

PS: edited to add... for somebody who just wants to settle back down in Seattle and be a good dad... Jason seems to enjoy all of this limelight, traveling, TV appearances, etc.. WAY, WAY WAY too much... Ummmm, Yeah right.....

 

[happygirl]

Here is the interview with Jason and Jimmy Kimmel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI8i9zSlCQs

 

[disney1990]

So does anybody know how long it has been since last night's "After the Rose" show?

 

[happygirl]

So does anybody know how long it has been since last night's "After the Rose" show?

I think it was filmed in Jan
The one tonight was filmed last week

 

[TeresaNJ]

I don't believe Jason knows what he wants. In fact, I believe he could be gay. He's workin' too hard at this and it's "I love Deanna....no, I love Melissa.....well, I really love Molly.... the guy's a nutcase. He's gorgeous but even THAT has worn off, imho. Add that he goes at each kiss with a totally open mouth-ewwwwww! All that glitters is NOT gold.

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with everything you've said!

 

[ter-moo]

I found last night to be... UNCOMFORTABLE... on so many levels. It felt fake, scripted, set up. WHY would anyone do all of this on television unless it was for ratings? EVERYONE'S dignity (including Chris Harrison's) was totally compromised.

If, as the previous poster informed us, it was all a set-up from the beginning, well then shame on Jason and ABC for doing that to a person (Melissa) just for the ratings value. She's a human being, for pete's sake.

The only redeeming thing that I could think of was that there was something severely "off" with Melissa, and Jason protected HER by making himself look like a jerk. I don't know. At any rate, I didn't find any of it dramatic or shocking--just sickening and wrong to be watching. There's a reason why I don't watch Montel or Jerry Springer... I don't need the Bachelor to go into that territory.

 

[Kirby]

Here's my take on last night's events...

I think Jason would have picked Molly up until Deanna's "surprise" visit. Then Deanna put doubt in Jason't mind. She told him she went with the "wild card" and she realized, afterwards, she had made a big mistake. I think Jason thought of Molly as the "wild card" and that influenced his final decision.

You could see as soon as he said goodbye to Molly he was completely broken up about it. I don't think that was acting on his part.

We are quick to put Jason down when we really don't know what transpired between Melissa & Jason after the final Rose Ceremony. If the chemistry really wasn't there, then he did the right thing by ending it. Unfortunately, he had to play by ABC's rules by doing the breaking up in public.

TC

I was thinking the same thing!