The next country to drop the "bomb" will be?

[Viking]

Do you have any sources that say the US dropped the second bomb as 'an extended field test of a new weapon' or did you make that up?

I supplied a source for my opinion on the subject.

Here comes your source (from Wikipedia-Germany)
Die militärische Notwendigkeit des Atombombeneinsatzes ist umstritten, denn diesen drei Städten wurde der Angriff mit konventionellen (Brand-)Bomben bis zuletzt erspart, um dann den Effekt einer nuklearen Explosion auf eine Großstadt testen zu können. Zudem gibt es Hinweise darauf, dass der japanische Kaiser zum Zeitpunkt des atomaren Angriffs schon zu einer Aufgabe bereit war.

Translation:
The military necessity of the use of nuclear devices is debatable, as all three Japanese cities were spared from bombing with conventional incendiary devices til the end with the intention to be able to test the effect of a thermonuclear explosion onto a large city. Additionally there were clues that the Japanese Emperor at that time already wanted to surrender.

Remark: Just in case you wonder about the mentioning of three cities: They're referring to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Kokura. Kokura being the original target for #2, but spared due to bad weather.

Edited to add:
You see, this source even sees BOTH bombs as field tests.

 

[TCPluto]

I don't think viking despises the US..All countries have warts..Ours does..His does..I don't see any good in covering them up..We need to face them so that we can become an even better country.

No, we should'nt cover them up, I agree. But to blow them out of proportion and exploit them is wrong, and this is what Vikey does.

His very first response to this thread shows that. To say we dropped the 2nd A bomb on Japan as "testing"??? Please.

This serves only to belittle our country, which is his purpose. Calling us desperate and crazy?? No, Vikey does hold the USA in deep contempt...

 

[Viking]

No, we should'nt cover them up, I agree. But to blow them out of proportion and exploit them is wrong, and this is what Vikey does.

His very first response to this thread shows that. To say we dropped the 2nd A bomb on Japan as "testing"??? Please.

This serves only to belittle our country, which is his purpose. Calling us desperate and crazy?? No, Vikey does hold the USA in deep contempt...

The only one belittling the USA here is you by your ridiculous behaviour
BTW, as you can see on Wikipedia, they even state that many historians consider BOTH bombs as testing. But I guess Wikipedia was founded only to belittle America

 

[Holly]

Who do you think?

Probably us, the good ol' USA. Wasn't GWB just exploring nuclear weapons as a possibility in anticipation of an attack on Iran?

The USA has well over half of the world's nuclear weapons, and if Bush dropped them all on the entire middle east tomorrow, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Viking]

Probably us, the good ol' USA. Wasn't GWB just exploring nuclear weapons as a possibility in anticipation of an attack on Iran?

The USA has well over half of the world's nuclear weapons, and if Bush dropped them all on the entire middle east tomorrow, it wouldn't surprise me.

OOOPS,
I hope you have your flame-retardant suit handy.

But I don't think that teh Shrub will do that: His Saudi-friends could be harmed by the nuclear fallout

 

[L107ANGEL]

The only one belittling the USA here is you by your ridiculous behaviour
BTW, as you can see on Wikipedia, they even state that many historians consider BOT bombs as testing. But I guess Wikipedia was founded only to belittle America

How do you get away with personally attacking repeatedly? You remind me of the playground bully, once you start to lose the fight you go for the low blows.

 

[Holly]

No, we should'nt cover them up, I agree. But to blow them out of proportion and exploit them is wrong, and this is what Vikey does.

His very first response to this thread shows that. To say we dropped the 2nd A bomb on Japan as "testing"??? Please.

This serves only to belittle our country, which is his purpose. Calling us desperate and crazy?? No, Vikey does hold the USA in deep contempt...

I think any cases in which nuclear weapons are utilized are automatically categorized as "desperate and crazy".

 

[Tigger&Belle]

Probably because your melon threads, among others, are rife with innuendos and double entendres, and therefore not within DIS board guidelines; whereas this thread is a discussion/debate, which, if kept within DIS guidelines, is permitted. Back when the Debate board was around, this would most likely get moved there for a continued debate, however, with that board now history, this type of thread is allowed here on the CB. And yes, a debate type thread, almost by definition, is argumentative, though not necessarily unproductive and/or rubbish. I would say however, your melon threads, and similar, here on the DIS, were/are unproductive and rubbish.

Not sure if that is the reason Pete would give you, just how I see it, TB.

First of all, Dan, I was joking about comparing it to melon threads.

Second of all, to the best of my knowledge, I didn't start the melon threads.

Third of all, if they wanted debates, why didn't they keep the debate forum?

And I do believe that this type of "debate" is unproductive. It's argumentative and ends up bashing countries or groups/races of people. I don't see how any good comes out of that. I hate intolerance and hate. Plain and simple. I don't care who it's from...

 

[Viking]

How do you get away with personally attacking repeatedly? You remind me of the playground bully, once you start to lose the fight you go for the low blows.

Who referred to me as 'Little Vikey' repeatedly? This is what I define as 'personal attack'.
Also your post calling me a 'playground bully' could be considered a personal attack.
I have yet to see a reasonable argument from you to see on that thread.
Stop the whining and post something with sense in it!!!

 

[TCPluto]

The only one belittling the USA here is you by your ridiculous behaviour
BTW, as you can see on Wikipedia, they even state that many historians consider BOT bombs as testing. But I guess Wikipedia was founded only to belittle America

What is ridiculous about calling you out on your hatred of the USA?

And was it a BOT bomb???

 

[Chicago Girl]

No, we should'nt cover them up, I agree. But to blow them out of proportion and exploit them is wrong, and this is what Vikey does.

His very first response to this thread shows that. To say we dropped the 2nd A bomb on Japan as "testing"??? Please.

This serves only to belittle our country, which is his purpose. Calling us desperate and crazy?? No, Vikey does hold the USA in deep contempt...

I’m in total agreement with you. I don’t see where any American on this thread was attempting to cover up our nation’s past. What I do see, is this German attempting to smear our faces in our past, but when his nation’s past is brought up, he feels that we’re being unjust. If you take this guy’s post in totality, the only conclusion that can be drawn is his desire to belittle America.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Here comes your source (from Wikipedia-Germany)
Die militärische Notwendigkeit des Atombombeneinsatzes ist umstritten, denn diesen drei Städten wurde der Angriff mit konventionellen (Brand-)Bomben bis zuletzt erspart, um dann den Effekt einer nuklearen Explosion auf eine Großstadt testen zu können. Zudem gibt es Hinweise darauf, dass der japanische Kaiser zum Zeitpunkt des atomaren Angriffs schon zu einer Aufgabe bereit war.

Translation:
The military necessity of the use of nuclear devices is debatable, as all three Japanese cities were spared from bombing with conventional incendiary devices til the end with the intention to be able to test the effect of a thermonuclear explosion onto a large city. Additionally there were clues that the Japanese Emperor at that time already wanted to surrender.

Remark: Just in case you wonder about the mentioning of three cities: They're referring to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Kokura. Kokura being the original target for #2, but spared due to bad weather.

Edited to add:
You see, this source even sees BOTH bombs as field tests.

Well, I'll have to give you that. I usually discount the Wikipedia because I could edit it myself and make me be dating Jennifer Aniston, but I used it myself because it was an easy way to make a quick point.

 

[TCPluto]

I have yet to see a reasonable argument from you to see on that thread.

Huh??

What does that say? "From you to see on that thread"???

 

[L107ANGEL]

Who referred to me as 'Little Vikey' repeatedly? This is what I define as 'personal attack'.
Also your post calling me a 'playground bully' could be considered a personaö attack.
I have yet to see a reasonable argument from you to see on that thread.
Stop the whining and post something with sense in it!!!

I am not sure how calling you Vikey is a personal attack.
I said you remind me of a playground bully.
I tend not to argue, more or less state my views, theres the big difference betweed you and I.
I believe I made alot of sense when I said I loved my country, flaws and all.

 

[Holly]

I’m in total agreement with you. I don’t see where any American on this thread was attempting to cover up our nation’s past. What I do see, is this German attempting to smear our faces in our past, but when his nation’s past is brought up, he feels that we’re being unjust. If you take this guy’s post in totality, the only conclusion that can be drawn is his desire to belittle America.

Isn't this thread about nuclear bombs?

Viking brought up the fact that only one country has used them offensively. He's right.

Certain Posters retaliate and bring up the history of Germany, which in no way pertains to this thread. As far as nuclear weapons go, last I knew, Germany didn't have any.

 

[Viking]

Well, I'll have to give you that. I usually discount the Wikipedia because I could edit it myself and make me be dating Jennifer Aniston, but I used it myself because it was an easy way to make a quick point.

That shouldn't be a problem as Brad Pitt already has a new lady
Yup, Wikipedia can be manipulated, but usually that is discovered quickly.


Back to topic:
We talked a lot about that topic in history at high school and I thought it common knowledge that the use of the bombs was also considered 'testing' by many historian. Therefore I first didn't deem it necessary to post that source.

 

[TCPluto]

I am not sure how calling you Vikey is a personal attack.
I said you remind me of a playground bully.
I tend not to argue, more or less state my views, theres the big difference betweed you and I.
I believe I made alot of sense when I said I loved my country, flaws and all.

He could never be a playground bully. That would require having to actually confront someone, face to face. This is something he would never consider.

He is an internet bully, from the safety and security of his keyboard he attacks and belittles.

You did make a lot of sense in stating your love of this country. And Vikey came across quite clearly in stating his hatred of it.

 

[Viking]

I am not sure how calling you Vikey is a personal attack.
I said you remind me of a playground bully.
I tend not to argue, more or less state my views, theres the big difference betweed you and I.
I believe I made alot of sense when I said I loved my country, flaws and all.

And which of these points was a contribution to the topic?

 

[JennyMominRI]

That shouldn't be a problem as Brad Pitt already has a new lady
Yup, Wikipedia can be manipulated, but usually that is discovered quickly.


Back to topic:
We talked a lot about that topic in history at high school and I thought it common knowledge that the use of the bombs was also considered 'testing' by many historian. Therefore I first didn't deem it necessary to post that source.

The atomic bomb issue ties my stomach up in knots... I feel ill reading stories from survivors etc.. And I can't decide if it was neccessary or not. Hindsight is 20/20..Did it save more lives than it cost? I really hope so,and really want to believe so.. It's one of those things that causes me to think until my head hurts... I hope we never have to make that sort of choice again as a country

 

[TCPluto]

Viking brought up the fact that only one country has used them offensively. He's right.

You're correct. But it's the way he brought it up, to belittle the USA that has caused us to take offense. His intent was not to discuss who would be next, but to bash the USA. He makes that quite clear.