The Muppets aren't the only ones being Frozen out.

Perhaps I am the only one..........but I am WAY over Frozen. When you start to hear TV personalities joke and equate it to Beating A Dead Horse you know Disney is beginning to overwhelm the market.

My advice to Disney?

Let It Go!

Disney really has no control over this. They are only giving people what they want. The media and all the Let It Go parodies are about how the kids and adult fans won't let it go!

The thing is... The audiences won't let it go either. The Frozen toys are flying off the shelves this Christmas season, and you can bet Disney will be there to fill them up again.

You see, regardless of its big success, Big Hero 6 is still overshadowed by Frozen one year after its release, and the audiences are probably responsible of that.

Exactly! I've been shopping for toys and Frozen is flying off the shelves everywhere and is beating Barbie that has been #1 for 11 prior years! I shared an article elsewhere on how Frozen is one of the #1 interests listed on Match.com for singles! That isn't 8 year olds folks! This is being driven by the public's intoxication with Frozen and not anything else. 49 years from now Lockedoutlogic will be sitting in a nursing home telling his nurses; "You wait and see! Frozen is going to die out any day now! Wait and see!" "Yes dear, take your meds." The Fiftieth Anniversary special of the original Frozen that started it all will be playing in the background.
:lmao:
 
We've been Muppets fans since the beginning in the 70s, (though they are older than that) and know the Muppet 4D by heart. Occasionally rather than repeating the lines, we listen. No one's laughing. They don't get the characters, or the jokes. Sadly, for most people it's lame. I think it does need a major make-over. That last move, Muppets Most Wanted didn't do them any favors. I just hope they aren't dropped completely.
 
Perhaps I am the only one..........but I am WAY over Frozen. When you start to hear TV personalities joke and equate it to Beating A Dead Horse you know Disney is beginning to overwhelm the market.

My advice to Disney?


Let It Go!
You may be way over Frozen.

But the thousands of little girls at WDW dressed up like Ana or Elsa? They are NOT over it. Not by a long shot.
 
I have loved the Muppets since I was a kid...and I really like the Jason Segal movie, not Muppets Most Wanted though. The last time we were in WDW (2013) my kids and I found the Muppets 3D show lacking...I welcome it being replaced. I'd LOVE if it were something else Muppets, but if it's Frozen then that'll just mean another attraction to suck people in droves away from TSMM, TT, and RnRR! We were in a half-empty theater watching the Muppets.
 

I am astounded by how much little kids love the movie Frozen. I almost think that there is some subliminal message included in the song let it go that says - i love frozen i love frozen i love frozen - that is making kids so obsessed with this movie.

I am a child of the 80s and dont have any children yet, but if I did I would be happy they were putting content in to the parks that my kids liked (i.e. frozen). When I was at MVMCP .. the kids went absolutely nuts for Olaf ..more than Santa!

However, I would not like them taking away the muppets though. It is a bit outdated but I love the one in WDW and its one of my favorite attractions in the whole park. Since DHS is a half day park as it is it would make sense to build new attractions ..not just do cheap overlays and pop up stores.

one thing to add --there is a frozen wedding dress but there is also a wedding dress for each one of the princesses so this is not a new phenomenon. The designer Alfred Angelo makes new dresses for each princess every year. Elsa is the new princess/queen so he made a dress for her. There are dresses for Cindy, Ariel, Belle, Aurora, Snow White, Tiana and Rapunzel . I tried them all on when shopping for dresses last year ;)
 
A lot of you need to read... Only the California Muppet Vision is being replaced.
 
The thing is... The audiences won't let it go either. The Frozen toys are flying off the shelves this Christmas season, and you can bet Disney will be there to fill them up again.

You see, regardless of its big success, Big Hero 6 is still overshadowed by Frozen one year after its release, and the audiences are probably responsible of that.

Yes...
Largely due to lack of options...

This years toys sales are being dominated by two brands that had a movie released almost a year ago...lego and frozen

I think over time we'll see frozen was a benefit of lack of competition...

Which is often the case of fading "phenomena"
 
I think the word phenomenon fits much better than a word like iconic that I think depends on the consistent expanse of popularity over time.

What I think people miss about Frozen is how much of a huge player the movie soundtrack was in the popularity of the movie. Frozen is essentially an ok story wrapped around great music. Not everyone's cup of tea when it comes to music but it certainly speaks to young girls and even some young boys.

They took a page out of what made the Disney movies of the late 80s/early 90s popular. Take a fun story and spend a lot of time putting good music around it. Little Mermaid, Lion King, Aladdin all had that element. Frozen took that concept and elevated it to new heights.
 
I think Frozen needed a show - maybe a ride, but after being in the parks last week, EVERYTHING was replaced with Frozen! I mean it was a wonderful film, but the Poor Fairy Godmother who got to be in one show got replaced... :(

Hopefully Disney settles down on Frozen and gives us the original Disney magic back! :)
 
Yes...
Largely due to lack of options...

This years toys sales are being dominated by two brands that had a movie released almost a year ago...lego and frozen

I think over time we'll see frozen was a benefit of lack of competition...

Which is often the case of fading "phenomena"

Frozen was released in 2013... so according to you, the major reason for its stratospheric success is a lack of competition... for over a year? I think y'all are grasping at straws trying really really hard to deny what a success this movie is... just cuz you and a few others don't like it, doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong :rotfl:

By the way... Time magazine named Elsa the most influential on screen character for the year, so she not only beats Barbie... but also Kim Kardashian... Elsa won and kept her clothes on. :rotfl2:
 
No doubt Frozen will fade eventually, and it will become just another (Very successful) addition to the Disney Animation canon.

As far as competition goes regarding toys, I'm not really familiar with the trends, but isn't Barbie pretty much unbeatable?

I'm just saying that Disney is not going to let it go as long as little Jessica is still excited about the Frozen shelves at Walmart.
 
Frozen was released in 2013... so according to you, the major reason for its stratospheric success is a lack of competition... for over a year? I think y'all are grasping at straws trying really really hard to deny what a success this movie is... just cuz you and a few others don't like it, doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong :rotfl:

By the way... Time magazine named Elsa the most influential on screen character for the year, so she not only beats Barbie... but also Kim Kardashian... Elsa won and kept her clothes on. :rotfl2:

Y'all...

Didnt really get the crux of the argument.

I don't think frozen has shown enough to be phenomenon or iconic...
Others have said they have killed it with over saturation...

I also think that tangled is/was a better overall movie...

But nobody is saying that it's bad. Just that it perhaps needs to be reevaluated.

And you brought up the kardashians... So...ummm...
Right...
 
Y'all...

Didnt really get the crux of the argument.

I don't think frozen has shown enough to be phenomenon or iconic...
Others have said they have killed it with over saturation...

I also think that tangled is/was a better overall movie...

But nobody is saying that it's bad. Just that it perhaps needs to be reevaluated.

And you brought up the kardashians... So...ummm...
Right...

No argument, just noticed that you have voiced the sentiment a few times that Frozen's success is due (at least in part) to a lack of competition. I think there is more to it than simply that... for a lot of people something about the movie resonates very strongly. Not for you, fine... but that doesn't mean it is not genune for others.
Personally I liked Frozen better than Tangled... also liked Brave better than Tangled. But hey... to each their own.

I only brought up Kim Kardashian because she was number 2 on Time's list... Personally I cannot stand her or her family.
 
No argument, just noticed that you have voiced the sentiment a few times that Frozen's success is due (at least in part) to a lack of competition. I think there is more to it than simply that... for a lot of people something about the movie resonates very strongly. Not for you, fine... but that doesn't mean it is not genune for others.
Personally I liked Frozen better than Tangled... also liked Brave better than Tangled. But hey... to each their own.

I only brought up Kim Kardashian because she was number 2 on Time's list... Personally I cannot stand her or her family.

I do think the competition this year for kids attention was light...

Rio 2 was underwhelming... And dispicable me is kinda a different animal. Lego movie was the next closest thing...and that was...weird (and I'm a lifelong lego guy since I was 6).

It also didnt have a Pixar entry...
It really was a bad 2014 for kids entertainment...
Just as 2015 is gonna be insane.
 
I must be the only adult who loves Frozen and is not in the least bit tired of it. :rotfl:

Maybe if I had five daughters between the ages of 3 and 9 I would be sick of it :eek:

Aw just Let it go!
 
There's never been any denial of the success of Frozen, just how some people classify its cultural significance and/or impact. The comparison with Barbie continues to be brought up but there's really no way that the two characters can be realistically compared. Barbie lost out this year in sales, but trends come and go while institutions stick around, have devoted fan clubs, and resale original toys for thousands. If an Olaf plush from 2014 goes for thousands in 2064, or even 2024 I'll happily eat my words.

As far as maintaining popularity, I still stand by the statement that Disney has helped keep Frozen in everyone's eye throughout 2014 through market saturation. Yes with Frozen there is the customer desire factor, but Disney helped feed, and even exaggerate, that appetite. Disney's media division didn't become their biggest revenue generator by just hoping that movies become successful in the theaters and afterwards.

I also agree that help came from the lack of many offerings for the kiddos this year. That's going to change in 2015, especially with a little film coming out in December. I'll bet the farm that the merchandizing machine is already in full production for that one.
 
There's never been any denial of the success of Frozen, just how some people classify its cultural significance and/or impact. The comparison with Barbie continues to be brought up but there's really no way that the two characters can be realistically compared. Barbie lost out this year in sales, but trends come and go while institutions stick around, have devoted fan clubs, and resale original toys for thousands. If an Olaf plush from 2014 goes for thousands in 2064, or even 2024 I'll happily eat my words.

As far as maintaining popularity, I still stand by the statement that Disney has helped keep Frozen in everyone's eye throughout 2014 through market saturation. Yes with Frozen there is the customer desire factor, but Disney helped feed, and even exaggerate, that appetite. Disney's media division didn't become their biggest revenue generator by just hoping that movies become successful in the theaters and afterwards.

I also agree that help came from the lack of many offerings for the kiddos this year. That's going to change in 2015, especially with a little film coming out in December. I'll bet the farm that the merchandizing machine is already in full production for that one.

Disney not only didn't help the cultural phenomenon, they were caught by surprise like everyone else. They spent about 9 months not able to provide enough Frozen merchandise. They didn't put a dent in demand. And lack of other movies (Actually there were plenty including How to Train Your Dragon 2) doesn't explain the rabid response.

We will all have to wait to see what happens in the future before using the words iconic or classic, and whether it is "good" or not is a matter of opinion, but for the past year the unprecedented cultural fixation is pretty obvious and is being talked about everywhere. I just read another article yesterday on how the phenomenon has not died down.

The cultural phenomenon has also taken over the U.K., Japan, Korea, and a number of other countries. There is even a documentary being filmed (Not by Disney) in the UK on Frozen as a cultural phenomenon.

There are endless articles from every news source on multiple continents that all talk about the cultural phenomenon. Trying to convince anyone that it isn't a cultural phenomenon isn't going to happen.

I find this fascinating because the unique cultural phenomenon that has developed around Frozen is more obvious and ubiquitous than the fact that the planet we are all on is round. It is round by the way no matter how much you deny it. Frozen is that obvious. It amazes me that anyone could deny the evidence that is everywhere. I guess it is possible. Just change definitions, come up with different ways to look at it and you can prove the moon is made of green cheese and that Frozen isn't culturally significant.

Here are more articles:

Here is an article on how a movie, Frozen, was chosen entertainer of the year for the first time rather than a person. From a little known organization called The Associated Press. AP people were asked who had the most cultural impact in 2014.

Read more: http://www.kmov.com/entertainment/F...f-the-year-by-AP-286683421.html#ixzz3MmH1cO93
"If you have children, or know someone who does, or just listened to one recently, the choice of Associated Press Entertainer of the Year won’t come as much of a shock: It’s “Frozen,” and in 2014, we just couldn’t let it go."

I love this article:

My year of warming to Frozen: several million children can't be wrong
When Frozen-mania hit my household, I could either resent it, tolerate it or embrace it. I chose the latter, and a year later I’ve come to appreciate its rock-solid artistry
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/18/disney-film-frozen-generational-icon
"Like, I’m sure, every creator of animated movies in the world, I’ve spent the last year trying to unpick what made Frozen a phenomenon that outstripped all expectations. When your children develop an obsession you can either tolerate it, resent it or embrace it. I chose the latter, partly for the sake of my sanity, and partly because, as a critic, I’m fascinated by the nature of extreme popularity. Frozen has become more than just a very good Disney movie; it’s a generational set text, like Star Wars, Harry Potter or the Beatles. Bad taste can elevate certain movies to a certain level of popularity, but only truly substantial ones reach the stratosphere. After a year of Frozen merchandise, Frozen birthday parties and Frozen singalongs, I’m pretty sure that several million children can’t be wrong."

From the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...year-on-why-were-still-in-Elsas-icy-grip.html "Frozen has become that curious thing: a phenomenon that is so ubiquitous, it’s more about what it hasn’t been connected to, than what it has."
 
Nope...

Here we are again...
A bloated box office and a year long toy craze is NOT a cultural phenomenon

Actually, I would argue strongly that you are very mistaken. I think this is because you view the term as some kind of transcendent event That means a long lasting effect on pop culture and society in general... An example in that viewing would be Mickey Mouse or Atari. But that's not really what it is.

One definition of The term is This: A cultural phenomenon, also known as the bandwagon effect, occurs when certain individuals behave a certain way merely because other individuals do as well. An example of a cultural phenomenon is the trend of sending flowers on Valentine's Day.

Now I'd argue that is the very essence of Frozen. A movie that has gained popularity to the point of cultural phenomenon status. There is nothing in the definition that defines it's long term impact on pop culture. It's simply the aspect of gaining so much popularity that more and more hop on the bandwagon. That is what has happened here. But just cause it's a cultural phenomenon doesn't mean it will have a long term pop culture effect, that's a mutually exclusive status.
 












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