The Muppets aren't the only ones being Frozen out.

[flashcal]

It's not like there is even a Frozen Attraction on the Disney property all ready. This would be the first. It's what people want. I think the OP is being ridiculous to think it's better to keep old unpopular attractions instead of updating. Not everyone shares your taste. You can stay home and watch your movies. Now everyone is happy.

 

[rteetz]

EPCOT had nothing to do with promoting movies...

Neither the original concept nor the themepark that was eventually built.

We've become spoiled and lazy...even in our entertainment

Exactly my point

 

[circus4u]

It's not like there is even a Frozen Attraction on the Disney property all ready. This would be the first. It's what people want. I think the OP is being ridiculous to think it's better to keep old unpopular attractions instead of updating. Not everyone shares your taste. You can stay home and watch your movies. Now everyone is happy.

I believe the original post pertains to Disneyland, not Disneyworld. I don't think Muppets at WDW is being closed just yet.

 

[rteetz]

I believe the original post pertains to Disneyland, not Disneyworld. I don't think Muppets at WDW is being closed just yet.

Correct muppets at WDW is safe for now.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Correct muppets at WDW is safe for now.

It's day is coming...

And I don't weep for that... 25 Years for a 3d show
Is WAYYY too long.

But not for a princess overlay on the cheap...that is embarassing to Disney...
I'm sorry...it is.

They are starting to cheap
Out on things In the parks as
Much as six flags is looked down upon by Disney fans for "only building rollercoasters"

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Nope...

Here we are again...
A bloated box office and a year long toy craze is NOT a cultural phenomenon

It is correct for Disney to respond to the overwhelming cultural phenomenon by adjusting shows and adding activities in the short term with rides and bigger changes in the long term. You are confusing cultural phenomenon with classic. Frozen can not yet be called a classic, although many people are, because we must wait for the test of time. However, cultural phenomenon, is often is short term.

There can be no doubt that Frozen is a cultural phenomenon. You and a few others are the only ones that think otherwise. First, go talk to parents of little kids, preferably when in a group of these parents. They will all - ALL - confirm the Frozen cultural phenomenon. I have heard from these parents everywhere - work, church, my wife's work, online. Second, read articles from the last 9 months, or do a search of Frozen and term Cultural phenomenon. For example:

The New Yorker discusses the Frozen phenomenon June, 2014: http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/how-frozen-took-over-the-world "Why? What is it about this movie that has so captured the culture?"

Variety just comes out and says it in September, 2014: http://variety.com/2014/tv/reviews/...-making-a-disney-animated-classic-1201294375/ "What could easily play like another synergistic infomercial or glorified electronic press kit somehow trumps that with “The Story of Frozen: Making a Disney Animated Classic,” an ABC special touting its parent company’s valentine to warm the hearts of shareholders. Perhaps that’s because “Frozen” qualifies as a legitimate cultural phenomenon..."

In this fun and funny article from Bustle, they discuss 15 strange things about the phenomenon: http://www.bustle.com/articles/2837...rre-things-inspired-by-the-new-disney-classic "Frozen has gone from Disney movie to cultural phenomenon in just a few short months, so quickly that people are still trying to figure out how to handle it. Whether you’re still getting swept away in the Frozen wave or you’re going to cry if you have to hear one more Frozen reference (okay, bye…), you can’t deny that the zeitgeist has been a different place ever since Frozen came out."

A popular marketing blog prSpeaks even references 5 reasons you should watch the film for marketing purposes. Number 4 is that it is a cultural phenomenon: http://www.pancommunications.com/pr...-a-marketer-communicator-parent-or-film-buff/

In this Digital Spy article, Channel 4 in Britain is doing a documentary on the phenomenon: http://www.digitalspy.com/british-t...xplores-the-disney-smash.html#~oXOtRnoLhSbAZW "Even if you haven't seen Frozen, there is no way you can't have heard about it. The Disney animation was released at the end of 2013, but its impact has lasted through the whole of this year and plans for spinoffs, musicals, and sequels are already underway to cash in on the cultural phenomenon."

Even this Rock Father rock for families blog gets in on the action with the 5 best rock covers of Let it Go! (I like Kimmi Smiles version!) in November, 2014 http://www.therockfather.com/grownu...eres-the-five-most-best-versions-of-let-it-go "Given how big a Global cultural phenomenon it's become, it's almost hard to imagine that it was just one year ago today - November 27, 2013 - that Walt Disney Animation Studios' FROZEN first hit theaters."

There are more articles, many from the United Kingdom, too, where Elsa jumped hundreds of places on the baby names list!!

Of course, we can agree to disagree. You don't have to believe America went to the moon, you don't have to believe Airplanes flew into the twin towers, and you don't have to believe that Frozen is a cultural phenomenon.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Lol...

We've been here before...I don't label "phenomena" without time.

And frozen does not have that at this point.

Disney has three legitimate cultural phenomena:
Mickey Mouse (changed entertainment...several times actually when TV developed)
Animated classics (which now manifests itself as princesses... Which frozen may become a part of)
Star Wars (again...permanently changed entertainment)

One can argue that the Disney parks are the fourth...depends on interpretation...but the case is valid.

One year from now... When frozen has taken its place as another of the popular Disney princess properties...but not distinctive from the whole... You're gonna forget about your stance.

There is nothing earth shatteringly special about the movie that will give it special staying power.

Really...frozen is a beneficiary of its release for Christmas this year... As it wasnt exploited last season.
And also don't discount that no other children's movies made a dent this year. Some weak sequels, no Pixar offering, nothing really great new in the TV market...

I would argue that toy story is far more befitting the "cultural phenomenon" title than frozen ever will.

And writers are paid to write and make grandiose statements...so I'll take my salt with your far too In depth cut and paste research.

I'm not saying that my opinion drowns out all others...not at all. But I'm willing to stand on my predictions.

Just as I predict the That Harry potter will slowly fade, that Star Wars 7 has to be a fantastic movie or Disney's investment will fail long term, or that avatar was not culturally significant because I couldn't remember a damn thing about it 2 days after I saw it (and I remember near everything)
...intuition should be your guide.

And I AM the parent of the target kids you keep telling me to go talk to...
The interest has "thawed"...which will go widespread sooner than later.

We shall see, my friend.

 

[beer dave]

cul·tur·al adjective \ˈkəlch-rəl, ˈkəl-chə-\
: of or relating to a particular group of people and their habits, beliefs, traditions, etc.

: of or relating to the fine arts (such as music, theater, painting, etc.)



phe·nom·e·non noun \fi-ˈnä-mə-ˌnän, -nən\
: something (such as an interesting fact or event) that can be observed and studied and that typically is unusual or difficult to understand or explain fully


Sorry, they don't mention time. Some events could take a period of time to be realized as being a phenomenon, while others are realized in a very brief period of time, like a natural disaster, or a movie becoming amazingly popular and surpassing all others in a very short period of time. The buzz about a sunami may die down as the years go by, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a phenomenon.

Some times the lack of time can be part of the phenomenon determination.

 

[Suger Mag]

Sorry, they don't mention time. Some events could take a period of time to be realized as being a phenomenon, while others are realized in a very brief period of time, like a natural disaster, or a movie becoming amazingly popular and surpassing all others in a very short period of time. The buzz about a sunami may die down as the years go by, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a phenomenon.

Some times the lack of time can be part of the phenomenon determination.

When you are not swept up by a particular phenomenom, it is hard to see it as being such. Take for example Twilight and vampires. Vampires were nothing new... been around and done 1000's of time and in most flavors... then along comes the Twlilight storyline and brooding pretty stars like Stewart and Pattison and it was a juggernut of a phenomenon for quite a bit. Of course they all fade eventually... and fade to a certain extent. But some Phenomenom do successfully make the switch to a "Classic" status. Only time will tell if Frozen will make the transition from a 'Cultural Phenomenom" to a "Classic" status. Right now I don't think Disney really cares, not while the Frozen coffers are ringing so nicely.

 

[wallrock]

Staying power helps determine a 'cultural phenomenon' more than anything else, especially in the context of entertainment.

I know that some around here may be tiring of Star Wars being used as the comparison, but when you see kids, who in some cases their parents weren't even around when the first film came out, dressing up as Jedi wannabes I think it's safe to say that Star Wars fits the definition.

Folks are misinterpreting Frozen today largely because of the ability of the media to flash a product all over the place simultaneously and saturate the market - a talent that Disney excels at. In today's world we call that 'viral' and not a 'cultural phenomenon'. Disney will be happy with either classification, but given that today's audience has the attention span of a gnat viral is a good thing and it's something they can control. The latter classification is in the hands of the parents, to a lesser degree kiddos, and most importantly Father Time.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

cul·tur·al adjective \ˈkəlch-rəl, ˈkəl-chə-\
: of or relating to a particular group of people and their habits, beliefs, traditions, etc.

: of or relating to the fine arts (such as music, theater, painting, etc.)

phe·nom·e·non noun \fi-ˈnä-mə-ˌnän, -nən\
: something (such as an interesting fact or event) that can be observed and studied and that typically is unusual or difficult to understand or explain fully

Sorry, they don't mention time. Some events could take a period of time to be realized as being a phenomenon, while others are realized in a very brief period of time, like a natural disaster, or a movie becoming amazingly popular and surpassing all others in a very short period of time. The buzz about a sunami may die down as the years go by, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a phenomenon.

Some times the lack of time can be part of the phenomenon determination.

Dave,

I see you covered websters...but what about Roget's?

I would interpret "something that can't be explain" as fully a function of time.

Why did george Lucas get asked daily for 10+ years after return of the Jedi if there was a chance he'd make another Star Wars?
And he did...almost as comically as how bad he pooched it.
Because the longterm pull cannot be quantified.

Just my take.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Staying power helps determine a 'cultural phenomenon' more than anything else, especially in the context of entertainment.

I know that some around here may be tiring of Star Wars being used as the comparison, but when you see kids, who in some cases their parents weren't even around when the first film came out, dressing up as Jedi wannabes I think it's safe to say that Star Wars fits the definition.

Folks are misinterpreting Frozen today largely because of the ability of the media to flash a product all over the place simultaneously and saturate the market - a talent that Disney excels at. In today's world we call that 'viral' and not a 'cultural phenomenon'. Disney will be happy with either classification, but given that today's audience has the attention span of a gnat viral is a good thing and it's something they can control. The latter classification is in the hands of the parents, to a lesser degree kiddos, and most importantly Father Time.

Fantastic...

One of the best insights/points I've ever seen on any topic here

And even if I disagreed...I wouldn't detract form how well it was written

 

[luisov]

The words iconic, legendary and classic are thrown around a lot these days. In this case, I think it's fair to say that Frozen is a phenomenon simply because of its virality, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's iconic, legendary or even a classic.

I mean, nobody is going to talk about the Gangnam Style or Alex from Target in 10 years, right? Is Frozen in the same category? Probably not, but only time will tell if Frozen is capable of standing the test of time and becoming a true classic.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Staying power helps determine a 'cultural phenomenon' more than anything else, especially in the context of entertainment.

I know that some around here may be tiring of Star Wars being used as the comparison, but when you see kids, who in some cases their parents weren't even around when the first film came out, dressing up as Jedi wannabes I think it's safe to say that Star Wars fits the definition.

Folks are misinterpreting Frozen today largely because of the ability of the media to flash a product all over the place simultaneously and saturate the market - a talent that Disney excels at. In today's world we call that 'viral' and not a 'cultural phenomenon'. Disney will be happy with either classification, but given that today's audience has the attention span of a gnat viral is a good thing and it's something they can control. The latter classification is in the hands of the parents, to a lesser degree kiddos, and most importantly Father Time.

By its very nature, staying power does NOT determine cultural phenomenon status. The widespread impact on culture determines whether or not something is a cultural phenomenon. That is exactly what all these news stories have been talking about. How quickly Frozen took over the planet. In fact this is especially true of entertainment as opposed to other things.

Star Wars of course is both a cultural phenomenon in the long term and a classic. However it was a minor to medium cultural event when the first movie came out. Some things achieve the cultural impact in the short term like Frozen, some in the longer term like Star Wars.

The media followed the phenomenon of Frozen they did not create it. Frozen started well and then just would not stop and lasted a huge length of time in theaters. Then the viral videos and toys selling out happened. Then the reaction of people everywhere happened. Then media got on the bandwagon, then Frozen begin showing up EVERYWHERE in a number of cultures GLOBALLY.

The viral nature and cultural impact were completely out of Disney and the media's control. Believe me, they wish they could do this. In fact you completely misunderstood the meaning of viral in today's context. Viral is when, like a virus and beyond anyone's control, something spreads exponentially. That has nothing to do with marketing. Disney just sat back and gleefully watched.

Viral can be very short term like Gangnam style, but viral can also feed in to cultural phenomenon. Which is what happened with Frozen for the whole last year.

The words iconic, legendary and classic are thrown around a lot these days. In this case, I think it's fair to say that Frozen is a phenomenon simply because of its virality, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's iconic, legendary or even a classic.

I mean, nobody is going to talk about the Gangnam Style or Alex from Target in 10 years, right? Is Frozen in the same category? Probably not, but only time will tell if Frozen is capable of standing the test of time and becoming a true classic.

Well stated. However the one difference between viral and Frozen as a cultural phenomenon; viral is usually about video/internet content spreading by email/social media/internet outlets. Frozen spread in all these ways, and in many ways outside the electronic means and entered the unplugged social networks of people around the world. For example: Kids bond on playgrounds everywhere over Frozen. A kid at church was given a pair of Frozen dolls after church the other week. Almost all the kids gathered round and begin playing Frozen. About 12 to 15 kids. I had never seen that before.

Time will tell about Frozen's status as iconic, legendary, or classic. We will see. Although I would say, nothing that Disney produced that had any type of big original response ever died. In fact a number of Disney products grew over time to be iconic when they made minor impacts originally. In other words: There is little doubt that Frozen is here to stay for a very, very, long time.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

So frozen "took over the planet"?


Great...but what's the result? What has changed?

I'll tell you what- I'll concede phenomena doesn't need time...
If you concede that WITHOUT time...you can't discount a bloated box office and a Chinese toy binge?

And then we can come out for round 3?

 

[wallrock]

By its very nature, staying power does NOT determine cultural phenomenon status. The widespread impact on culture determines whether or not something is a cultural phenomenon. That is exactly what all these news stories have been talking about. How quickly Frozen took over the planet. In fact this is especially true of entertainment as opposed to other things.

Star Wars of course is both a cultural phenomenon in the long term and a classic. However it was a minor to medium cultural event when the first movie came out. Some things achieve the cultural impact in the short term like Frozen, some in the longer term like Star Wars.

I don't know if you were around then, but if you were around in 1977 then you must have slept through that year. Star Wars - just the first one - became one of the biggest cultural and media events of the 20th century. The sci-fi fanboys knew about it and flocked to the theaters. When ticket sales shot through the roof (and they did within a few months) as everyone else jumped on the bandwagon it was on practically every news broadcast at the time - and during a time when news was actually news and not about the latest pop star doing something idiotic to get attention. You didn't hear anyone ask the question 'Are you tired of hearing about Star Wars?'

Thirty-seven years later the question still isn't being asked. In fact, the question is how much more are we going to get.

Call me shortsighted, but I don't think Frozen is going to reach those heights.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

So frozen "took over the planet"?


Great...but what's the result? What has changed?

I'll tell you what- I'll concede phenomena doesn't need time...
If you concede that WITHOUT time...you can't discount a bloated box office and a Chinese toy binge?

And then we can come out for round 3?

DING!

The box office had very little, even nothing to do with cultural phenomenon. The box office - not bloated at all, but very long running was just the beginning. And the toy sales are a sign. The cultural phenomenon was in the people. How they responded. The YouTube videos, articles, costumes, songs, and yes toys. The references, the playgrounds, the anti-Frozen videos and songs. The repeat viewings. The continued videos. The way Frozen shows up everywhere and is referenced everywhere. It is almost impossible to miss how big a cultural phenomenon it is unless you just don't want to see it. Read some of those articles I linked. My goodness man, the name Elsa has jumped a huge number of places on the baby names list! And in more than 1 country. And for boys! (Just kidding) The articles don't talk about box office and toys alone, they talk about all the other things. How about walking down the sidewalk and every day hearing kids singing Frozen songs in NYC and the same in London. But beyond that people of all ages singing the songs and making the references. How Korea and Japan are crazy about Frozen. And all the references to lines from the movie and the songs. How can you miss this! Let it Go has become a cultural tag line! Late Night TV, early morning shows, every magazine, every TV show even makes references.

On this one I won't give an inch and I have many, many entertainment writers, business analysts, movie critics, marketing experts, parents, fans, and kids everywhere on my side. Even for those critics that hate the movie, there is absolutely no doubt that Frozen is a major cultural phenomenon with everything that term implies. AND Frozen is more a cultural phenomenon than any past Disney movie that I remember. Some were very popular and even sold more tickets than Frozen, but none had the broad impact in culture in their first year that Frozen has had.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

And did I mention the designer Frozen wedding dresses!!!? Tattoos! Increased tourism to Norway..." It is endless and still going on. Every week there are more sing along showings and references to the movie. Frozen is already in the top 15 all time DVD sales and is on its way up. There are the people now making a living playing Anna & Elsa and doing parties in various cities across the country! It is downright bizarre. And very fun to watch and read about. I have been following the phenomenon and have been searching and reading stories almost daily since last year.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I have been following the phenomenon and have been searching and reading stories almost daily since last year.

Which makes me wonder why?

But I think...with all due respect...that this is just you're reality. Do no wrong.

You're like my mirrored doppelgänger.

All they do is shower the masses with magic on one side...
And on the other they are hell bent on sucking us dry.

I guess we'll both find out on the day of judgement.

(Note...lifetime Star Wars fan until they ruined it. But I was and am excited for the new Disney material. I do trust they'll do a good job.

But I won't be here in February of 2016 peddling it as a great movie because walmart is full and it makes 750 million on pace for 1.2 billion amped up On $22 IMAX tickets...

...IF its crap. I'll tell you it's good if its good and will lambast them if they cop out and produced a bad cgi film to sell toys.

Because that...my friend...is fair and warranted to a company that is jacking prices all
Over the place and reaping profits from consumers ages 2-90.

That is fair

And that unarguably IS a cultural phenomenon)

 

[An1mag1qu3]

Which makes me wonder why?

But I think...with all due respect...that this is just you're reality. Do no wrong.

You're like my mirrored doppelgänger.

All they do is shower the masses with magic on one side...
And on the other they are hell bent on sucking us dry.

I guess we'll both find out on the day of judgement.

(Note...lifetime Star Wars fan until they ruined it. But I was and am excited for the new Disney material. I do trust they'll do a good job.

But I won't be here in February of 2016 peddling it as a great movie because walmart is full and it makes 750 million on pace for 1.2 billion amped up On $22 IMAX tickets...

...IF its crap. I'll tell you it's good if its good and will lambast them if they cop out and produced a bad cgi film to sell toys.

Because that...my friend...is fair and warranted to a company that is jacking prices all
Over the place and reaping profits from consumers ages 2-90.

That is fair

And that unarguably IS a cultural phenomenon)

Are you done with your temper tantrum? Frozen is a huge success whether you like it or not. It is here to stay and at the time of this post it is a huge cultural phenomenon. You can stay in denial all you want, but it's a great film with a huge following. As for the Muppets (Cali version) it has been showing to nearly empty theaters since it opened in 2001, so all of you crying fowl obviously have never been to DLR before. (Also I joined this site because this thread was driving me nuts.)