The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[crazyforgoofy]

Please find and comment on the new 'Five Years' thread I just started. It has a lot of numbers from Harry Reid's office about what the war has actually cost.

 

[robinb]

I'm in.

Ah man ... I just changed my signature yesterday.

 

[chris1gill]

Ah man ... I just changed my signature yesterday.

Time to change again!

 

[robinb]

Time to change again!

Nope. I think mine is a stronger message.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday.

This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:

"Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."

On Tuesday, the senator, appearing in Israel, made a nearly identical assertion that al-Qaeda was leaving Iraq to retool and regroup in Iran.

It was, he said, "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate."

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, who was accompanying McCain on the trip, was forced to lean over and whisper in McCain's ear that it was Shiite extremists, not Sunni al-Qaeda, that was going to predominantly Shiite Iran.

The repeated gaffes, which now appear to becoming something of a pattern, have already become fodder for McCain's Democratic opponents.

"Either John McCain is purposely playing politics with the facts on the ground or he doesn't understand the threat facing Iraq and our brave troops," said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney. "Either way, after five years of the Bush Administration's incompetence and deception on Iraq, the American people don't want four more years of a president who will cherry-pick the facts."

And speaking today, Sen. Barack Obama, used the misstatements as evidence that McCain's claims of foreign policy experience do not give him a superior understanding or judgment of the terrorist threat or Iraq policy.

"Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda," said Obama. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades."

 

[eclectics]

For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday.

This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:

"Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."

On Tuesday, the senator, appearing in Israel, made a nearly identical assertion that al-Qaeda was leaving Iraq to retool and regroup in Iran.

It was, he said, "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate."

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, who was accompanying McCain on the trip, was forced to lean over and whisper in McCain's ear that it was Shiite extremists, not Sunni al-Qaeda, that was going to predominantly Shiite Iran.

The repeated gaffes, which now appear to becoming something of a pattern, have already become fodder for McCain's Democratic opponents.

"Either John McCain is purposely playing politics with the facts on the ground or he doesn't understand the threat facing Iraq and our brave troops," said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney. "Either way, after five years of the Bush Administration's incompetence and deception on Iraq, the American people don't want four more years of a president who will cherry-pick the facts."

And speaking today, Sen. Barack Obama, used the misstatements as evidence that McCain's claims of foreign policy experience do not give him a superior understanding or judgment of the terrorist threat or Iraq policy.

"Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda," said Obama. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades."

Yet the Cons still think it's Obama that's going to go down the tubes, not McCain. Just give ol' John a few more "photo op" trips to make a fool out of himself and/or loose his temper. He looks about as Presidential and intelligent as his buddy George does.

 

[Chicago526]

A suggestion on those signature quotes;

Bold them. It makes them stand out much better.

Example below.

Color helps too!

 

[Mugg Mann]

For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday.

This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:

"Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."

On Tuesday, the senator, appearing in Israel, made a nearly identical assertion that al-Qaeda was leaving Iraq to retool and regroup in Iran.

It was, he said, "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known. And it's unfortunate."

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, who was accompanying McCain on the trip, was forced to lean over and whisper in McCain's ear that it was Shiite extremists, not Sunni al-Qaeda, that was going to predominantly Shiite Iran.

The repeated gaffes, which now appear to becoming something of a pattern, have already become fodder for McCain's Democratic opponents.

"Either John McCain is purposely playing politics with the facts on the ground or he doesn't understand the threat facing Iraq and our brave troops," said DNC Communications Director Karen Finney. "Either way, after five years of the Bush Administration's incompetence and deception on Iraq, the American people don't want four more years of a president who will cherry-pick the facts."

And speaking today, Sen. Barack Obama, used the misstatements as evidence that McCain's claims of foreign policy experience do not give him a superior understanding or judgment of the terrorist threat or Iraq policy.

"Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda," said Obama. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades."

As we've learned, those who still support the President at this point in time are not interested in the truth.

This is an appropiate place as any to remind everyone that the Pentagon just released it's largest study ever concerning the origins of the Iraq war, and the conclusion was that there were no ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda at the beginning of the war despite what the White House tried to peddle.

There are only two possible conclusions to be reached from what you have posted above (in all fairness, I'd like to see the source of it to form my own opinion) if it is indeed true.

One, that McCain is aware there is no link, and is merely pandering to a base that over the last seven years has demonstrated a devout willingness to ignore reality,

or two, that McCain is unaware of his gaffes, and keeps repeating them.

If the latter is true, the ramifications of that are truly frightening.

 

[LakeAriel]

May all those who lost their lives, totally without cause, these last 5 years RIP.

George Bush: May 2003..Mission Accomplished...

 

[chris1gill]

One, that McCain is aware there is no link, and is merely pandering to a base that over the last seven years has demonstrated a devout willingness to ignore reality,

or two, that McCain is unaware of his gaffes, and keeps repeating them.

If the latter is true, the ramifications of that are truly frightening.

Mugg Mann, I don't know the source of this particular article, but I have heard several times today on CNN that he made the gaffe 3 times.... CNN did not indicate in what order or where each gaffe was made. MSNBC also just reported the gaffe 3 times over the last week since he's been there... I'm curious if this was 3 gaffe's on one occasion or 3 separate places....

 

[Mugg Mann]

Mugg Mann, I don't know the source of this particular article, but I have heard several times today on CNN that he made the gaffe 3 times.... CNN did not indicate in what order or where each gaffe was made.

Wow, I'm going to have to look that one up. Thanks for the tip.

Given the gaffes this trip and the last time he visited when not only did he make the gaffe of saying that Iraq was safer (and wasn't aware that the military had cleared the zone for him), but Drudge falsely reported that he was being heckled, hopefully McCain has a competent advisor telling him to cut down on the Iraq visits...

 

[chris1gill]

Wow, I'm going to have to look that one up. Thanks for the tip.

Given the gaffes this trip and the last time he visited when not only did he make the gaffe of saying that Iraq was safer (and wasn't aware that the military had cleared the zone for him), but Drudge falsely reported that he was being heckled, hopefully McCain has a competent advisor telling him to cut down on the Iraq visits...

Yeh, but Iraq & the war is what he's running on You know he was good in 2000, but man has he turned the page since then, downright scary

 

[eclectics]

Well, it seems the Cons aren't happy enough with the way the Obama Church issue turned into a non-issue, so they've actually dug up some blog nonsense that even Drudge won't touch on Obama's extended family in Kenya. Where are you LuvDuke? We need a good "You Can't Make This Stuff Up"! Good Lord..... are they that desperate?

 

[NewJersey]

Well, it seems the Cons aren't happy enough with the way the Obama Church issue turned into a non-issue, so they've actually dug up some blog nonsense that even Drudge won't touch on Obama's extended family in Kenya. Where are you LuvDuke? We need a good "You Can't Make This Stuff Up"! Good Lord..... are they that desperate?

I just read the Obama blog:

Response to Fox News "story"
by Sam Graham-FelsenWednesday, March 19, 2008 at 09:30 PM
Apparently, today was a slow news day.

So Fox News evidently decided to pour through our millions of user-created pages on My.BarackObama.com and put a screenshot of inflammatory content on the front page of FoxNews.com.

You see, more than 700,000 people have created accounts on the system. You can create one right now if you choose, in about a minute -- anyone can.

Now, from time to time people get up to no good -- creating fake profiles (like one for Sean Hannity created today), or posting profane or inappropriate content. When they do, the community reports the offending content and if it violates our terms of service it is removed (as the Sean Hannity profile was).

My.BarackObama.com has been at the core of our bottom-up organizing strategy. The tools available have been put to work by a community of supporters that is bigger and more powerful than anything presidential politics has ever seen.

Evidently, Fox News didn't think it was a big deal that hundreds of thousands of ordinary Americans are participating in the democratic process creating groups and local events in communities all across the country.

But they did think it was a big deal that one random person on the Internet, without the knowledge of the Obama campaign, posted a profile in the system with the image of the New Black Panther Party on it.

When we were alerted of the existence of this page, we pulled it down. Yet even after we pulled the page, Fox News continues to disingenuously and prominently feature this "story" on their homepage.

If you have feedback for Fox News, you can email foxnewsonline@foxnews.com.

You really can't make this stuff up. I just gave Fox News a piece of my mind.

 

[chris1gill]

Yes, he has family in Kenya and China too for the love of God.... and Hawaii too although that's not nearly so sinister...

Mugg Mann, if you go to the http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ & click on the McCain confuses Shiites/sunni's, you'll see all four gaffes

 

[chris1gill]

I just read the Obama blog:



You really can't make this stuff up. I just gave Fox News a piece of my mind.

Oh, I re-read the blog.... this page was referenced here earlier today on another thread, it had no members and was obviously planted there for someone's chuckles (I did notify the campaign as I'm sure many did). You're right, you can't make this stuff up, but when combined with the Hannity blog, it's downright dangerous...

 

[eclectics]

You really can't make this stuff up.

I particularly enjoyed the part where Obama's seventh cousin twice removed, or some such nonsense, named one of their kids Fidel Castro. How long do you bet before that morphs into "Obama, if elected, will impose Communist Rule in America"?

 

[Reflection]

Well, it seems the Cons aren't happy enough with the way the Obama Church issue turned into a non-issue, so they've actually dug up some blog nonsense that even Drudge won't touch on Obama's extended family in Kenya. Where are you LuvDuke? We need a good "You Can't Make This Stuff Up"! Good Lord..... are they that desperate?

And in the interim Bush continues with his incoherent babbling about the economy, Cheney actually states what we've known all along that he has no interest in what the American people have to say about Iraq war, and Bush enable polluters to keep polluting with his overrule of EPA scientific advisers on the Clean Air Act.

 

[Reflection]

Oh, I re-read the blog.... this page was referenced here earlier today on another thread, it had no members and was obviously planted there for someone's chuckles (I did notify the campaign as I'm sure many did). You're right, you can't make this stuff up, but when combined with the Hannity blog, it's downright dangerous...

The Hannity blog is unbelievable....

 

[NewJersey]

Oh, I re-read the blog.... this page was referenced here earlier today on another thread, it had no members and was obviously planted there for someone's chuckles (I did notify the campaign as I'm sure many did). You're right, you can't make this stuff up, but when combined with the Hannity blog, it's downright dangerous...

Fox News reporting at its best.

I particularly enjoyed the part where Obama's seventh cousin twice removed, or some such nonsense, named one of their kids Fidel Castro. How long do you bet before that morphs into "Obama, if elected, will impose Communist Rule in America"?

Well based on the fact that one of the few things most Cons (and even some Hillary supporters) got out of the speech was that he is throwing his grandmother under a bus, I can't help but think what you referred above won't be far behind.