The Incredible message for my trip :)

[itchin2go]

Regardless, I can't help what your friend told you. I know what we did. I define a walk on as being a ride that I can board taking no longer to board than it takes me to walk through the queue without stopping or waiting. Not sure there is another definition.

Are you trying to insinuate I'm lying?

I'm not the poster you were speaking to but I thought I'd put up a link to easywdw's cheat sheets which have estimated wait times at the back.

http://www.easywdw.com/cheatsheets/mk_cheatsheet_v3.pdf

Even looking at the low crowd chart, there are only a handful of things that have a 5 minute wait or less even an hour after opening. Even fewer 2 hours after opening.

We have gone at low crowd times (mostly, with our last trip being the exception) and have never experienced a morning where everything was walk-on. Some things were walk-on, some things were minimal waits and some things had long lines (shorter lines than they would have later in the day, but long, to us at that time anyway). We did, for the most part, skip the long line rides and/or FP those. Regardless, multiple days of everything being walk-ons just has not been my experience.

To be clear, we had good, good days, and the wait times for the things we did were manageable, minimal maybe even. But that's different from no waiting and all walk-ons.

I am not insinuating anything, to be clear. There are lots of reasons why charts say one thing, why I had the experiences I had, and why you've had the experiences you've had.

But when people question ... walk-ons? all of them? really? It's because it hasn't been our experience, and in fact charts from experts don't bear this out.

If this is the experience you've been having, then it's really its own reward. But it's a feat that it seems few of us have been able to duplicate.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think the daily variety is a pretty good point here Lisa, I do get that and I can totally see how FP+ would facilitate that.

Ugh--I missed some typos.

Glad you got the gist.

 

[WillAustin]

Even looking at the low crowd chart, there are only a handful of things that have a 5 minute wait or less even an hour after opening. Even fewer 2 hours after opening.

It really depends. It's easy to look up actual historical wait times at Touring Plans.

We are at WDW now. The best rope drop so far was July 5th at MK. At 10:30am Space Mountain was still 10 minutes standby. Of course, 7DMT was 60 minutes by 9:10.

It's a lot harder to get walk-ons now with FP+ returns starting at 9am. On headliners we've mostly found a steady stream of riders going into the FP+ lines over the past 10 days, no matter the time of day.

 

[disneyseniors]

Then I wonder why invest so much time into complaining about it?

Just seems there are better things to do in life if this truly is not working out for "you" (generic usage).

Why engage in negativity and add stress?

(Not being sarcastic, I just truly don't understand why folks bother so much with something they seem to hate so much.)

I'm so glad there is someone to set us all straight on how wrong we are and why we shouldn't think that way. Thanks!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm so glad there is someone to set us all straight on how wrong we are and why we shouldn't think that way. Thanks!

Odd. Not what I said at all.

 

[cakebaker]

But when people question ... walk-ons? all of them? really? It's because it hasn't been our experience, and in fact charts from experts don't bear this out.

If this is the experience you've been having, then it's really its own reward. But it's a feat that it seems few of us have been able to duplicate.

There are many times I read posts from people whose experiences on the very same day seem far different from mine. MNSSHP from last fall is a good example. We had a pretty bad time. It was over crowded, lines for special events were horrendous and all in all, we were very close to asking for refund. Compare this to reports from others who said it was wonderful, lines were short and they had a great time. Same evening, within the very same hours and totally different experience.

That's why I think it's good to not just look at one person's experience because I can't explain why there would be such a difference of opinions on that event.


In my case, first the poster surely does not know the exact days I was at the MK, what specific hours I was there or what I rode. What I can say, without knowing what the charts say, is it makes a great deal of difference what you ride and in what order. We specifically aimed for the more popular rides in our list first, then went down to those we knew would form lines later. One morning we got to ride Space Mountain twice taking not much longer than it took to walk the queue, around 9:30 am. That one surprised me- I would've thought with an 8am opening that line would've built up. But it didn't. Another morning Sp was up to a 50 minute wait very quickly and we wondered why the difference- then saw that SDMT was down.



It only takes a very few changes to make a huge difference in experiences. That certainly doesn't mean, nor should it equate to someone not telling the truth.

 

[cakebaker]

Your earlier post that the other guy posted made it sound like you could ride more than one headliner with the new fastpass at Epcot or Hollywood Studios on the same day, can you do that with the groupings?. This one says you visited parks more than once to ride more than one headliner. I'm confused again!

You sure get confused a lot! lol If that's how you took it, you took it wrong. I think most people know that tiers prevent you from riding those with FP+'s on the same day- unless you get really lucky with sdfp.

A big plus for us with park hopping is that we can make multiple visits to each park- riding with and without fp+ and not having to stand in lines for any headliners.

Hope that helps.

 

[itchin2go]

There are many times I read posts from people whose experiences on the very same day seem far different from mine. MNSSHP from last fall is a good example. We had a pretty bad time. It was over crowded, lines for special events were horrendous and all in all, we were very close to asking for refund. Compare this to reports from others who said it was wonderful, lines were short and they had a great time. Same evening, within the very same hours and totally different experience.

That's why I think it's good to not just look at one person's experience because I can't explain why there would be such a difference of opinions on that event.

In my case, first the poster surely does not know the exact days I was at the MK, what specific hours I was there or what I rode. What I can say, without knowing what the charts say, is it makes a great deal of difference what you ride and in what order. We specifically aimed for the more popular rides in our list first, then went down to those we knew would form lines later. One morning we got to ride Space Mountain twice taking not much longer than it took to walk the queue, around 9:30 am. That one surprised me- I would've thought with an 8am opening that line would've built up. But it didn't. Another morning Sp was up to a 50 minute wait very quickly and we wondered why the difference- then saw that SDMT was down.

It only takes a very few changes to make a huge difference in experiences. That certainly doesn't mean, nor should it equate to someone not telling the truth.

I have just never had a day, much less an entire trip, when there was no waiting for anything whatsoever. And I have never spoken to anyone else who has experienced this, and I have never seen another account on these boards to that effect. And the glut of guidebooks and websites on how to tour DisneyWorld would seem pretty unnecessary if this kind of experience was easily duplicated. Likewise, the people who abused the handicap policy. Hard to understand why they would go to that trouble if they could so easily tour with no waits. One day, maybe I'll learn your secret.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have just never had a day, much less an entire trip, when there was no waiting for anything whatsoever. And I have never spoken to anyone else who has experienced this, and I have never seen another account on these boards to that effect. And the glut of guidebooks and websites on how to tour DisneyWorld would seem pretty unnecessary if this kind of experience was easily duplicated. Likewise, the people who abused the handicap policy. Hard to understand why they would go to that trouble if they could so easily tour with no waits. One day, maybe I'll learn your secret.

December---pre-Christmas Party days.

Pardon me while I weep in its memory.

There might have been *some* waiting. But in those days--Early December was a ghost town. At least when we went. (I don't have specific years, unfortunately as it was so long ago.)

 

[Kalliope]

There are many times I read posts from people whose experiences on the very same day seem far different from mine. MNSSHP from last fall is a good example. We had a pretty bad time. It was over crowded, lines for special events were horrendous and all in all, we were very close to asking for refund. Compare this to reports from others who said it was wonderful, lines were short and they had a great time. Same evening, within the very same hours and totally different experience.

That's why I think it's good to not just look at one person's experience because I can't explain why there would be such a difference of opinions on that event.


In my case, first the poster surely does not know the exact days I was at the MK, what specific hours I was there or what I rode. What I can say, without knowing what the charts say, is it makes a great deal of difference what you ride and in what order. We specifically aimed for the more popular rides in our list first, then went down to those we knew would form lines later. One morning we got to ride Space Mountain twice taking not much longer than it took to walk the queue, around 9:30 am. That one surprised me- I would've thought with an 8am opening that line would've built up. But it didn't. Another morning Sp was up to a 50 minute wait very quickly and we wondered why the difference- then saw that SDMT was down.



It only takes a very few changes to make a huge difference in experiences. That certainly doesn't mean, nor should it equate to someone not telling the truth.

You've given enough info in your posts that if someone wanted to, they could easily figure out where you were on what days. People don't need to be logged in or members to read here.

 

[itchin2go]

December---pre-Christmas Party days.

Pardon me while I weep in its memory.

There might have been *some* waiting. But in those days--Early December was a ghost town. At least when we went. (I don't have specific years, unfortunately as it was so long ago.)

Sounds fun!

*Some* waiting - been there, done that. We went late January 2 years in a row. Pretty manageable and we loved the weather.

But *no* waiting and all walk-ons? Never seen that. I'm wondering if post 9/11 days were super quiet.

 

[cakebaker]

I have just never had a day, much less an entire trip, when there was no waiting for anything whatsoever.

Did I say that?

I'm only referencing my experience on a couple of mornings at the MK before 11 am. Hardly my whole trip.

And we're getting really close to questioning my honestly about it and that I take issue with.

 

[itchin2go]

Did I say that?

I'm only referencing my experience on a couple of mornings at the MK before 11 am. Hardly my whole trip.

And we're getting really close to questioning my honestly about it and that I take issue with.

I apologize. I thought you did say that, maybe in another thread? Where did you see the longest waits? I'm assuming Epcot, but would like to know your experience.

Regardless, as the morning goes by, certainly by 10:30 or 11:00 at the MK, we have seen waits - less waits than we'll see by 2:00 pm to be certain, but waits, nonetheless. We do ride the headliners ASAP or use FP for them, and then work down to rides where lines don't build as fast. We do find waits. They are not long lines or heavy waits, or we skip them.

 

[WillAustin]

We went late January 2 years in a row.

The end of January was great for us. My wife asked why would we ever go again in the summer.

And yet, here we are again!

 

[itchin2go]

The end of January was great for us. My wife asked why would we ever go again in the summer.

And yet, here we are again!

I legitimately don't think I could handle the summer. Hats off to those who can. We had one trip in early October and it was too hot for us.

January has been my favorite time of year to go ... by far. I liked Food and Wine in October, but the weather was less than ideal. I enjoyed November better. Trying March next year. January just no longer works because of my daughter's school schedule.

 

[WillAustin]

January just no longer works because of my daughter's school schedule.

I don't think we can do it again either since the kids are older now.

 

[cakebaker]

I apologize. I thought you did say that, maybe in another thread? Where did you see the longest waits? I'm assuming Epcot, but would like to know your experience.

Regardless, as the morning goes by, certainly by 10:30 or 11:00 at the MK, we have seen waits - less waits than we'll see by 2:00 pm to be certain, but waits, nonetheless. We do ride the headliners ASAP or use FP for them, and then work down to rides where lines don't build as fast. We do find waits. They are not long lines or heavy waits, or we skip them.

I'd agree by 10:30 or 11 there are lines for many things at the MK. No argument there, I've said that repeatedly. We rarely stayed in the MK past 11 and that would be to only eat lunch before we left. We don't ride headliners in the mornings- with the exception of when we walk past one and for some reason, there just isn't much of a line as happened a couple of times.

Our single longest wait? HS, evening for the Woody n Buzz meet and greet- 45 long, painful minutes. But there's no fp+ for it (WHY????) and we didn't have a HS morning scheduled. We also waited about 30 minutes for the Mickey M&G without a fp.

We don't ride much at Epcot and since we make multiple evening visits, we were able to ride everything we wanted using FP+ a couple of times actually over the course of our trip. We did have to wait for the next show of Turtle Talk with Crush, but we wanted to visit the living seas first so that worked out well. HS wasn't a problem either as the only ride we wanted there was Star Tours and TOT- again used FP+. We even managed to snag an additional sdfp for TOT at 7 in the evening- but that was pure luck.

Of course there was some wait with FP+, but nothing I recall being more than 10 minutes or so to get through. To be absolutely truthful, we probably spent more time in FP+ lines waiting than we did in standby. But we don't ride standby in the middle of the day or in the early evening- ever.

Overall, it probably is true that we waited in lines very little this trip, less than we ever have before under FP+. We focused a great many of our rides at the MK. Had we wanted to ride headliners, multiple times in the same day at any park, I'm quite sure we would've spent lots of time in line. We didn't.

 

[itchin2go]

I'd agree by 10:30 or 11 there are lines for many things at the MK. No argument there, I've said that repeatedly. We rarely stayed in the MK past 11 and that would be to only eat lunch before we left. We don't ride headliners in the mornings- with the exception of when we walk past one and for some reason, there just isn't much of a line as happened a couple of times.

Our single longest wait? HS, evening for the Woody n Buzz meet and greet- 45 long, painful minutes. But there's no fp+ for it (WHY????) and we didn't have a HS morning scheduled. We also waited about 30 minutes for the Mickey M&G without a fp.

We don't ride much at Epcot and since we make multiple evening visits, we were able to ride everything we wanted using FP+ a couple of times actually over the course of our trip. We did have to wait for the next show of Turtle Talk with Crush, but we wanted to visit the living seas first so that worked out well. HS wasn't a problem either as the only ride we wanted there was Star Tours and TOT- again used FP+. We even managed to snag an additional sdfp for TOT at 7 in the evening- but that was pure luck.

Of course there was some wait with FP+, but nothing I recall being more than 10 minutes or so to get through. To be absolutely truthful, we probably spent more time in FP+ lines waiting than we did in standby. But we don't ride standby in the middle of the day or in the early evening- ever.

Overall, it probably is true that we waited in lines very little this trip, less than we ever have before under FP+. We focused a great many of our rides at the MK. Had we wanted to ride headliners, multiple times in the same day at any park, I'm quite sure we would've spent lots of time in line. We didn't.

Makes more sense.

Did not know that there were meet and greets in DHS without FP. My daughter is 13 and was not into meet and greets last trip. We did 1. I actually miss that aspect of trips, but it makes other things easier. Seems as though it would make sense to have MORE FP eligible attractions at DHS, rather than less. Curious why they don't offer that. On second thought, it probably has to do with constructing new Mickey readers?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sounds fun!

*Some* waiting - been there, done that. We went late January 2 years in a row. Pretty manageable and we loved the weather.

But *no* waiting and all walk-ons? Never seen that. I'm wondering if post 9/11 days were super quiet.

I have read some accounts here and there. Apparently it was.

That may have been when we enjoyed quiet Decembers. I really don't recall.

I do think all the various awesome promotions that became available within 5 or so years of that.

This was Universal, but even they were doing fab deals. We got a coupon that brought the per person rate rather low for a single day ticket (around $50ish pp) and allowed park hopping back in 2005. So we went May/June-ish. The deal could not be passed up.

While Disney didn't do that, they did have some great things to boost attendance.


Buh-bye slow December.

 

[cakebaker]

I ask every trip why hey do not have a fp+ for that m&g. My grandson is as obsessed with those 2 characters as any little girl is with A&E. We checked that line every trip into HS and never found it below a 30 minute wait posted and by experience we know that is not accurate- it's longer. Our last trip to HS we finally caved and waited in line.

I'll miss it when he's no longer interested in the meets- it's just adorable right now and it's what makes me cave and stand in those lines.