The Future of Tomorrowland at Magic Kingdom

[briand1023]

Yes I have heard that about CoP for sure but not speedway.

Interesting

 

[DrKev]

I would expect a new nighttime show or parade tho.

Eventually they will bring the Disneyland "Paint The Night" parade to WDW. It is truly impressive, and im thinking that will probably happen right around the 50th anniversary.

 

[rteetz]

Eventually they will bring the Disneyland "Paint The Night" parade to WDW. It is truly impressive, and im thinking that will probably happen right around the 50th anniversary.

Why bring a copy when they could bring something completely new?

 

[yitbos96bb]

I would expect a new nighttime show or parade tho.

I'm thinking what MK could use would be a big pink birthday cake replacing Cinderella castle...nah...no one would be that crazy.

 

[Scalemaster34]

Why bring a copy when they could bring something completely new?

Why create something new when they already have a successful parade that can be copied.......

I wish Disneyland and Disney World were much different from one another.. and that the cloning of rides and attractions had stopped. As it makes it harder and harder to justify a Disneyland visit over a Disney World visit....

 

[rteetz]

Why create something new when they already have a successful parade that can be copied.......

I wish Disneyland and Disney World were much different from one another.. and that the cloning of rides and attractions had stopped. As it makes it harder and harder to justify a Disneyland visit over a Disney World visit....

Paint the night in Disneyland is already a copy. It debuted in Hong Kong before Disneyland.

The rumors I've heard is Steve Davison head of shows and parades wants to work on something new not a copy.

WDW doesn't have DCA and Disneyland doesn't have AK, Epcot, or DHS. They are different. WDW is a world destination. Disneyland is to some but is treated as a locals park.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You would think they would come out for air. They must have one terrific head cold stuffing up their noses.

Head cold?

I'm thinking its more like the smell of fresh, wet brownies

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Magic Kingdom Opening Dates

10 years 1981 Nothing. BTMRR in 1980.
15 years 1986 Nothing.
20 years 1991 Nothing.
25 years 1996 The Barnstormer.
30 years 2001 Aladdin's Magic Carpets.
40 years 2011 Meet Mickey @ Town Square

It doesn't feel like they target new attractions for anniversaries.

Agree 100%...

One of my biggest pet peeves around here are the repeated references to Disney caring about anniversaries in Florida and using that as a basis for judgement.

They haven't done a single anniversary thing that lasted more than a half hour there in 16 years...
...so while they made a big pink thing in 97...they haven't dabble since.

Comparing what they do at Disneyland to the economics of wdw is like comparing grapes to watermelons. It's just not the same!!!

They could put in pay toilets at wdw that only accept discover cards in the current environment and attendance would go up...

And discover would have to open five new offices in São Paulo to handle the application influx

 

[BostonEd]

False. The contract does not have an expiration date.

Really? I've never heard of a contract like that. Do you have a link to a source for that information?

 

[rteetz]

Really? I've never heard of a contract like that. Do you have a link to a source for that information?

The contract states as long as Universal wants the attractions an maintains them they can keep the rights. Universal could also build new marvel attarctions if they want to but I believe they have to get looked over by Marvel (Disney) before said happens.The contract is in full online if you search for it. Universal owns the rights for orlando exclusively, they cannot bring marvel to california for that reason. Universal Japan has marvel but that is a seperate contract. Disney then can of course do things with marvel in Disneyland but not WDW. It really is quite the agreement which Comcast had no part of as it was created before they bought NBC/Universal.

 

[tlmadden73]

Tomorrowland needs to go back to the TTA theming .. making it feel like a futuristic space port.

I like the look of Tomorrowland as a whole (one of my favorite lands in MK (based on past nostalgia) .. I just think it needs some attraction help.
I think a Miles from Tomorrowland attraction would be fun to have in place of Stitch or the Laugh Floor and would bring back the whole "TTA" theme that is prevalent in Space Mountain and the People Mover.

 

[mcjaco]

Agree 100%...

One of my biggest pet peeves around here are the repeated references to Disney caring about anniversaries in Florida and using that as a basis for judgement.

They haven't done a single anniversary thing that lasted more than a half hour there in 16 years...
...so while they made a big pink thing in 97...they haven't dabble since.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. They had a pretty big celebration for Epcot's 30th, and had the display up for over a year in Communicor......errrr, Innoventions.

 

[manning]

Head cold?

I'm thinking its more like the smell of fresh, wet brownies

There times you have to be polite. LOL

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. They had a pretty big celebration for Epcot's 30th, and had the display up for over a year in Communicor......errrr, Innoventions.

Woah...I was at yacht at that time and it wasn't much of anything.

And that was still Eisner...he loved those types of things...and coincidentally didn't raise prices as much as he COULD have...lest we forget.

Current management has done nothing of the sort.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The contract states as long as Universal wants the attractions an maintains them they can keep the rights. Universal could also build new marvel attarctions if they want to but I believe they have to get looked over by Marvel (Disney) before said happens.The contract is in full online if you search for it. Universal owns the rights for orlando exclusively, they cannot bring marvel to california for that reason. Universal Japan has marvel but that is a seperate contract. Disney then can of course do things with marvel in Disneyland but not WDW. It really is quite the agreement which Comcast had no part of as it was created before they bought NBC/Universal.

No marvel (other than merchandising) in wdw...

The reasons are as long as Santa's list...

But the easiest one is that Comcast can promote marvel attractions that currently Disney is Also promoting by cranking out movies...then they sell stuff and both make money...

And if marvel declined in popularity...Disney would stop making movies and there would be no point In them building things based off them
Even if the contract was voided.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

There times you have to be polite. LOL

Never...it's no fun

 

[mcjaco]

Woah...I was at yacht at that time and it wasn't much of anything.

And that was still Eisner...he loved those types of things...and coincidentally didn't raise prices as much as he COULD have...lest we forget.

Current management has done nothing of the sort.

Eisner was out in 2005.

 

[rteetz]

Eisner was out in 2005.

yes we were well into Iger's reign at that point.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Eisner was out in 2005.

Right...my bad...I was thinking 20th.

The 30th was a one hour deal where they ran Marty sklar out there for a speech, poured water from countries - including arrendale - into a fountain...and had a history of display...

That did it for you?

The pink castle year had - in addition to the pink castle - a special parade, special hours, special packages, and a whole hell of a lot of promotional material.

Millennium had that and a slate of new attractions put into place prior to the start...and that was still what ranks as the best time to be in wdw...

It just isn't anything they've spent much thought on since.

In 2021 I would think something will happen...but skepticism there. New management might bring it back.

Disneyland is a completely different thing. The customers practically own the place and the suits have to pay homage to keep it going.

What the execs should do is jack up the annual prices to weed em out and put those spoiled brats out there in their places...

...oh...Nevermind.

 

[DDLand]

Magic Kingdom Opening Dates

10 years 1981 Nothing. BTMRR in 1980.
15 years 1986 Nothing.
20 years 1991 Nothing.
25 years 1996 The Barnstormer.
30 years 2001 Aladdin's Magic Carpets.
40 years 2011 Meet Mickey @ Town Square

It doesn't feel like they target new attractions for anniversaries.

Look towards 2005-2008. That time period helped finally stop the weakness they'd been feeling since 1998. By the end of A Year of Million Dreams they had overplayed their hands, and the Celebrate Today theme was poorly received. Don't be fooled though. The attractions like Soarin, The Dream Stage Show, and Lights Motors Action were all launched in conjunction with the anniversary of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts/Disneyland. That party was huge for WDW and Disneyland. It boosted spending and attendance on both coasts. Much like Disneyland's 60th, it had a significant impact. That's all the precedent you need, and provided the basis for much of what happened on the West this year and next.

I'd agree WDW doesn't get as caught up in parties, but they can be leveraged once every so often for a big pop. Marketing budgets can be expanded. Nostalgia campaigns put to work. Buzz gets going.

I think Disney World realized that having perpetual parties was kind of dumb when you're at Disney. It is inherently a party. Big anniversaries are different. Most regard them as legitimate.

Some decorations, specialty merchandise, unique collectibles, new firework show, and parade (two things they're going to have to offer eventually)
Aren't even that expensive. The marketing can even include some new attractions thrown in as well. Come for old and the new. For all the talk of WDW being just a once in a lifetime trip, I do think it has a dedicated following. Maybe not as many living so close as SoCal, but enough that drawing them in would be significant.

Woah...I was at yacht at that time and it wasn't much of anything.

And that was still Eisner...he loved those types of things...and coincidentally didn't raise prices as much as he COULD have...lest we forget.

Current management has done nothing of the sort.

"When Michael Eisner was appointed chairman of Disney 10 years ago, a single-day adult admission to the Magic Kingdom was $18. The company has since pursued an aggressive pricing strategy, and that same ticket now costs $38 - a 112 percent increase.

''Eisner did a smart thing by raising prices,'' said Alan Gould, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. in New York. ''But they might have gone a little too far to the other extreme.

''Wall Street has definitely seen the price of a Disney vacation as an issue.''

Harold Vogel, entertainment industry analyst for Merrill Lynch Capital Markets, agreed: ''There is a very widespread perception that Disney is at the upper end of the feasible range'' in its pricing strategy, he said."

This was in the early 90s. Attendance began a slide around this time. The greatest years of Eisner's reign were built on the backs of significant price increases. That's not to say Eisner didn't build. He obviously did. He also pushed pricing to the max it could be. Even probably farther then that. He adjusted when the market couldn't handle the prices and kept them lower for a decade. That's more related to this initial backlash. Interesting though...