The Duggar Family is pregnant AGAIN!

[cruiserkaren]

I haven't read every post but wanted to throw my experience into the thread.

My dad came from a family of 11. My mom came from a family of 13. They were both poor growing up. My mom's purpose as a young girl was to make her mother proud and get attention that way because it was the only way she could stand out among the crowd. When I was young I watched my mom face the fact that she would never be perfect, couldn't be perfect - obviously not possible, and finally accepted the fact the her mother loves her and her imperfections.

My aunt (I'm very close to) was one of the oldest siblings and her childhood was taken away by having to care for babies. My grandmother was a single mom because my grandfather was murdered when she was pregnant with number 13. Because of that my aunt had a huge amount of responsiblity placed on her. Once she got out of the house she rebelled a lot. She was filled with resentment and anger when she was in her 20's and 30's, and honestly older. It was quite a load she dealt with last year when my grandmother was dying. Having to deal with those feelings and coming to peace with them.

My parents only had me. They always said they didn't want me to have to go thru what they did. No money, very little time with their parents and going without.



Seeing the Duggar kids in 10-20 years is going to be very interesting.

ETA: My post seems kind of pointless after reading it. My parents did not grow up on any public assistance,way to proud for any of that. My grandmother worker her fingers to the bone to provide a home, new school shoes and easter dresses for the kids. My paternal grandfather worked his life away in coal mines to provide what he could for his large family.

My dad started working picking beans and tomatoes when he was 11. He wanted money for candy and pop, like his friends. My mom went to work at 13 and saved her money for school clothes.

The point I was trying to make is just that I've seen what having big responsibilities put on you at a very young age can do. I'd be shocked if some of the Duggar kids don't grow up resentful and angry. Especially once they get out from under the umbrella of the life their parents have created and they see how differently they grew up.

 

[WDSearcher]

But they have given us a very good idea of the life. If you've seen all the specials, they've been very forthcoming about the way they run their family. If you've gone to their website, you'll find even more information. They are proud of their lifestyle and don't seem to be hiding anything from what I can see. If they are true followers of Bill Gothard, and since they use his home school curriculum then I assume they are, then the woman must be subservient and can only do the household chores. The women must wear concealing clothing that directs the eyes upward to the face. The females have a very limited role in this religion and no opportunity to explore other ways of living and that's the way they (followers of Gothard) want it.

OK ... I still don't see what's wrong with it. It's how they've chosen to lead their lives. To those who say, "But they're subjecting their kids to this too, and the kids have no choice" ... well ... I subject my kids to my rules and sense of order in life. My kids didn't have a say in any of this, but they must abide by it because I'm the grown-up and I get to make those decisions. Same with the Duggars. If they choose to follow Gothard, that's their choice as to how to raise their kids. If their daughters have no opportunity to explore other ways of living, well ... not how I'd run my life, but it's fine with me if that's how they want to run theirs. It's not unlike the Amish or the Mennonites, and no one rails about how THEY treat their kids. (Amish girls actually do farm work in dresses -- that CAN'T be safe! )

 

[wishspirit]

Are you sure you're still talking about the same topic??

Indeed we are the record amount of children by one mother is 69, put it in google to get the details!

 

[chobie]

OK ... I still don't see what's wrong with it. It's how they've chosen to lead their lives. To those who say, "But they're subjecting their kids to this too, and the kids have no choice" ... well ... I subject my kids to my rules and sense of order in life. My kids didn't have a say in any of this, but they must abide by it because I'm the grown-up and I get to make those decisions. Same with the Duggars. If they choose to follow Gothard, that's their choice as to how to raise their kids. If their daughters have no opportunity to explore other ways of living, well ... not how I'd run my life, but it's fine with me if that's how they want to run theirs. It's not unlike the Amish or the Mennonites, and no one rails about how THEY treat their kids. (Amish girls actually do farm work in dresses -- that CAN'T be safe! )

There is no comparison with the Amish. For one thing the Amish live in huge communities and interact with hundreds over other families everyday; the Duggars have occasional get togethers with other Quiverfull families. The Amish allow their children to run free starting at age 16 where they can expereince the rest of the world while still being considered members in good standing in their community; the Duggars do nothing close to this. The Amish truly beleive in the biblical concept of modesty; the Duggars pimp their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain.

 

[golfgal]

OK ... I still don't see what's wrong with it. It's how they've chosen to lead their lives. To those who say, "But they're subjecting their kids to this too, and the kids have no choice" ... well ... I subject my kids to my rules and sense of order in life. My kids didn't have a say in any of this, but they must abide by it because I'm the grown-up and I get to make those decisions. Same with the Duggars. If they choose to follow Gothard, that's their choice as to how to raise their kids. If their daughters have no opportunity to explore other ways of living, well ... not how I'd run my life, but it's fine with me if that's how they want to run theirs. It's not unlike the Amish or the Mennonites, and no one rails about how THEY treat their kids. (Amish girls actually do farm work in dresses -- that CAN'T be safe! )

But Amish families don't use power tools and that is the difference. My Grandfather did a lot of woodworking and wouldn't do ANY work in long sleeved shirts even--it is just DANGEROUS.

I have no issue with older kids helping with younger kids but THESE kids are RAISING the younger kids, not just helping take care of them. Our oldest helps our twins occasionally and babysat them when they were of an age where they needed babysitters and he will be expected to drive them places when he gets his drivers license but I certainly wouldn't expect him to get up with them in the middle of the night when they are sick.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

There are DISsers who admit having sex at WDW with their children in their room (sleeping in the other bed), so why wouldn't they be able to ********** when there are others in the room? Not everyone is a screamer




Are you sure you're still talking about the same topic??

You are BAD!

 

[lilyv]

OK ... I still don't see what's wrong with it. It's how they've chosen to lead their lives. To those who say, "But they're subjecting their kids to this too, and the kids have no choice" ... well ... I subject my kids to my rules and sense of order in life. My kids didn't have a say in any of this, but they must abide by it because I'm the grown-up and I get to make those decisions. Same with the Duggars. If they choose to follow Gothard, that's their choice as to how to raise their kids. If their daughters have no opportunity to explore other ways of living, well ... not how I'd run my life, but it's fine with me if that's how they want to run theirs. It's not unlike the Amish or the Mennonites, and no one rails about how THEY treat their kids. (Amish girls actually do farm work in dresses -- that CAN'T be safe! )

Not sure why possible injuries would merit a wink, but there are statistics gathered on these communities, and how children are injured. About 1/2 are run over by vehicles, the rest are divided up with next largest group injured by animals, followed by crushed, entanglement, fall, drown, all the way down to tractor rollover.
http://www.cdc.gov/nasd/docs/d001701-d001800/d001763/d001763.html

Any strategies that would help save children from death or injury are well worth considering. Education about motor vehicles, education about animals, (9 of the fatalities listed in the above study involve a child younger than 15 that was working with animals), clothes that are less likely to ensnare or entangle a child, and so on.

When children do the work of adults, there can be serious risk. Some kids lose their lives in industrial accidents. This is a tragedy to me. Being Amish or Duggar doesn't provide immunity from risk.

 

[WDSearcher]

Not sure why possible injuries would merit a wink,

It was in reference to an earlier discussion upthread. I'd mentioned that the Duggar girls were working on the house they were building, and someone asked if the girls were wearing dresses while they were working (as a commentary on women doing "men's work" and how they really weren't equal if they were still in dresses). It then kind of devolved into a discussion about how dresses aren't safe, which wasn't how it all started.

The wink was not to the injuries, but rather to that discussion.

 

[WDSearcher]

There is no comparison with the Amish. For one thing the Amish live in huge communities and interact with hundreds over other families everyday; the Duggars have occasional get togethers with other Quiverfull families. The Amish allow their children to run free starting at age 16 where they can expereince the rest of the world while still being considered members in good standing in their community; the Duggars do nothing close to this. The Amish truly beleive in the biblical concept of modesty; the Duggars pimp their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain.

Depends on the Amish. Some groups shun the kids who decide to "run free" for their experimental year or two out in the world and then decide not to come back. They are shunned forever by family and friends. Not exactly open-minded.

As for "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain," it's no different from "Jon & Kate" -- aren't they just "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain?" Yet, I haven't seen any threads about how that is so improper and how dare they do that.

 

[Quest4fun]

You may have a point there. At least she can sell out to tv if she needs to. I thought they had more acreage. 20 acres doesn't make a decent compound...

Around here we kid that families just take a pitching wedge and plant the kid's homes where the ball lands... But these families have 100's of acres.

I always thought you needed 40 ft walls and padlocked gates to be a compound. I see some serious newsmaking in their future and I'm not talking about the ho hum "She's having another one." news. I'm talking scandal. Just wait.

 

[WDSearcher]

I have no issue with older kids helping with younger kids but THESE kids are RAISING the younger kids, not just helping take care of them. Our oldest helps our twins occasionally and babysat them when they were of an age where they needed babysitters and he will be expected to drive them places when he gets his drivers license but I certainly wouldn't expect him to get up with them in the middle of the night when they are sick.

But this is no different than a lot of families in America today. There are a lot of kids out there raising their younger siblings because they have to. And these are families with far fewer advantages and a far less stable support system than the Duggars. So in this case, the Duggars choose to raise a family in this matter. Just because you, personally, wouldn't raise your family that way doesn't mean it's wrong for the Duggars to do so.

 

[meandtheguys2]

I always thought you needed 40 ft walls and padlocked gates to be a compound. I see some serious newsmaking in their future and I'm not talking about the ho hum "She's having another one." news. I'm talking scandal. Just wait.

I hope not. Those are beautiful kids.

OT...love your sig pic!

eta: Not that i would think differently if they were ugly kids...

 

[chobie]

Depends on the Amish. Some groups shun the kids who decide to "run free" for their experimental year or two out in the world and then decide not to come back. They are shunned forever by family and friends. Not exactly open-minded.

As for "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain," it's no different from "Jon & Kate" -- aren't they just "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain?" Yet, I haven't seen any threads about how that is so improper and how dare they do that.

I didn't say the Amish were open minded (but they are more so than the Duggars) and I didn't talk about what happens if they choose not to come back. What I said is that they are allowed to run around and while doing so are members in good standing. The Duggars won't let their kids off the compound alone, let alone allow them to go out drinking and meeting with kids of the opposite sex without chaperones.


John and Kate don't pretend to be living a Godly life. There is nothing bibilical about pimping your lifetstyle. The Duggars do not allow their kids to watch tv, but they can pimp them on it.

 

[Quest4fun]

Depends on the Amish. Some groups shun the kids who decide to "run free" for their experimental year or two out in the world and then decide not to come back. They are shunned forever by family and friends. Not exactly open-minded.

As for "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain," it's no different from "Jon & Kate" -- aren't they just "pimping their children and lifestyle on tv for financial gain?" Yet, I haven't seen any threads about how that is so improper and how dare they do that.

I don't know if I'd call it pimping their kids. They're playing, going to school, and hanging out. The fact that they tape it for millions of viewers is not as bizarre as the people who tune in. They're just trying to make some extra cash to help with the bills.

If you want to talk pimping, let's take a good look at Jeff Archuleta. I think stage parents shouldn't be aloud to manage their children. They reach a point where it becomes professional and the nurturing aspects of parenting are thrown out the window.

 

[wishspirit]

John and Kate don't pretend to be living a Godly life. There is nothing bibilical about pimping your lifetstyle. The Duggars do not allow their kids to watch tv, but they can pimp them on it.

Ok now THATS weird!

 

[NY Disney fan]

The Duggars do not allow their kids to watch tv, but they can pimp them on it.

I was eating when I read this.

 

[ChrisnSteph]

I don't necessarily agree with having as many kids as the Duggars do, but I have to say this much. All of their children seem respectful, smart, well rounded, and have a great devotion to their family. There are many parents that can't instill those values in one child, let alone 18. I think the Duggars are doing something right!

 

[Quest4fun]

I don't necessarily agree with having as many kids as the Duggars do, but I have to say this much. All of their children seem respectful, smart, well rounded, and have a great devotion to their family. There are many parents that can't instill those values in one child, let alone 18. I think the Duggars are doing something right!

Shield your kids from everything and watch them "respect" you. You can have well rounded kids without having to prevent them from watching TV and filling their days with chores.

It's not that some parents can't instill those values, it's that they WON'T instill those values in their children. I think it's fine that some parents don't believe in traditional parenting. My kids will need employees some day.

 

[meandtheguys2]

Shield your kids from everything and watch them "respect" you. You can have well rounded kids without having to prevent them from watching TV and filling their days with chores.

It's not that some parents can't instill those values, it's that they WON'T instill those values in their children. I think it's fine that some parents don't believe in traditional parenting. My kids will need employees some day.

Ummmm...I don't believe TV is necessary for normal development...

 

[SandraVB79]

You are BAD!

I know