The DIS: no negative posts please

[Tonka's Skipper]

You are also full of ... Well, I probably can't say it. Oh oh, here comes a point penalty.

Just leave? I've been here since the beginning, how long have you been here? LOL. Gang style attack? That is truly funny.

I've been here for, well, forever and I don't recall your name. Hmmm.

I bash the Disney apologists NOT the Disney lovers. Where do you fall?

I hold Disney to the highest of standards and am not the least bit interested in Dianey being just another Walmart conglomerate. Where do you you fall? Oh, oh I know. "I love Walmart, I love CVS, I love Publix, I love Disney."

Not reason for you to leave you have every right to post your opinion, just as everyone else does.

However there you go right back into it......*I am right* * I was here longest, so I have the right is insult others even if it costs me a point!* *Everyone else is wrong* *every one that doesn't agree with me is a apologist*.

The real point here is you don't have the right to be snarky or rude. The fact you have been here a long time is meaningless., it certainty doesn't make you any more right or wrong for that matter.


Everyone has the right it their opinion, even if your mad because the post you started doesn't agree with you!

So I look forward you our discussions in the future! whether we agree or not!

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

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[Tonka's Skipper]

I know nobody wants to hear my opinion (get ready)...

But here goes:

I find the concept that descent is unwelcome...whether here or anywhere...to be 100% insulting on all levels.

That doesn't mean it has to be below the belt or nasty...but no descent means that people aren't looking hard enough for truth. And contrary to popular opinion...most things can be reasoned down to some shade of "black" or "white".

As it relates to Dis: always question why things are or are not done. It has nothing to do with magic, wishes, or dreams. It is economics and unfortunately the ugliest subset of that - corporatists...which public traded Disney IS beyond a reasonable doubt.
Nobody looks for the real reasons with out descent here...it is a necessary component to becoming smarter/better consumers ...which everyone should want to be.

Now we may never find the real truth...but if you unconditional buy what they're selling...I guarantee you never will.

All innovative people and societies throughout history have had the ability to explore the otherside of their beliefs or arguments...even if they drool a little less happily on their pillows that night.

It's part of the human condition... Possibly the meaning of life.

Disney does things well...and something's very poorly. I pay for it...they'll hear it...thank you very much.

Locked out, I don't always agree, but you do make one think now and then.

DC To Tall does it to!

First, I don't feel descent is insulting.....rudeness, sneakiness, being nasty and looking down on other peoples opinion is insulting. Resorting to using name calling to try and defend a opinion is the lowest form of arrogance. I find you and DCtotall don't do this and still make your points.

Here you dismiss the Disney magic the pixie dust!. Yes Disney is a corporation, yes it makes money, but Disney no matter how much money they make, is still different, it has products that has the magic and the pixie dust at their cores and that sets them a far apart.

The most important is what Walt instilled in the company *products* what he tried to teach us all:

From Eric Savvied

"But what Walt Disney seemed to know was that while there is very little grown-up in a child, there is a lot of child in every grown-up. To a child this weary world is brand new, gift wrapped; Disney tried to keep it that way for adults&

By the conventional wisdom, mighty mice, flying elephants, Snow White and Happy, Grumpy, Sneezy and Dopey  all these were fantasy, escapism from reality. Its a question of whether they are any less real, any more fantastic than intercontinental missiles, poisoned air, defoliated forests, and scraps from the moon. This is the age of fantasy, however you look at it, but Disneys fantasy wasnt lethal. People are saying well never see his like again*

Many people hide the magic and pixie dust by just dismissing it and its is all about just making money, I still believe its about what Walt tired to teach us. Yes he was teaching!


The bottom line with Disney is that as long as they don't los that the company will keep going along fine. When they get to far away from it, like Iger almost did (thankfully he's going), they will slowly wither.

Just a old ex deep water ships Masters opinion!


AKK

 

[flashcal]

You are also full of ... Well, I probably can't say it. Oh oh, here comes a point penalty.

Just leave? I've been here since the beginning, how long have you been here? LOL. Gang style attack? That is truly funny.

I've been here for, well, forever and I don't recall your name. Hmmm.

I bash the Disney apologists NOT the Disney lovers. Where do you fall?

I hold Disney to the highest of standards and am not the least bit interested in Dianey being just another Walmart conglomerate. Where do you you fall? Oh, oh I know. "I love Walmart, I love CVS, I love Publix, I love Disney."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. So thank you for illustrating my point so efficiently.

I've been posting, not too often, since 2006 as it says on the left under my user name, but shouldn't have to justify to anyone.

And I didn't say anyone MUST leave, all I said was if you don't like it here, you have the option to go elsewhere that you can be happy with like minded individuals rather that complain. There's a place for that.

And rather than mock the gang style attack comment, which is very revealing as to a specific mentality, why don't go go look at my thread history. I haven't started many. I defy anyone to defend what happened to me.

You'll see it fast. I naively posted some inside info recently, I am a local who knows lots of Disney employees , and worded it all wrong i admit, and was attacked beyond belief for my mistake. All I wanted was to post and let others know in my excitement without imagining the consequences could be so ugly.

So instead of "laughing" at me, Check into it first. You know, BEFORE you mock. Revealing.


That's what this board is the vast majority of the time. It's also why I mostly lurk. Total and complete hatefulness from mostly grown adults who enjoy the cruelty. If all you want, and by you I mean haters in general, there are place to go where disney hating and dissent is welcome and wanted. Why come to a fan board at all if this is what you want. Revealing.

I will say that there is obviously a difference between one negative comment of dissent or opinion and hatefulness. It's easy to see where a person falls. CIP

 

[Mouse14]

Jut my 2 cents, from someone who had been attacked and called a "troll" I tend to post regularly and I read every thread on here in the rumors.... I've noticed every post from mr pirate is all negative.. And I'm always thinking to my self why Re these people on here if they are so angry with Disney?

 

[bcrook]

Jut my 2 cents, from someone who had been attacked and called a "troll" I tend to post regularly and I read every thread on here in the rumors.... I've noticed every post from mr pirate is all negative.. And I'm always thinking to my self why Re these people on here if they are so angry with Disney?

Some people don't buy into the idea that everything Disney does is for customer. Disney is trying to exploit their patrons to the highest level the customer will allow. It is no secret. The increases in ticket prices, food, declining perks are all part of the testing. Disney will push the limit until the market shows signs of backlash. So far, very little backlash (see record breaking profits) from the crowds as a whole. But there are signs that it is getting to people.

The disboards are for those people too, not just the ones who are still 100% happy.

What I appreciate, as I said on a previous post, is the sharing of ideas on how to handle the pressures being placed on us by Disney. For example the buffet and character meals prices. Because I read the boards I am kept aware of the highway robbery here. The idea of paying over $200.00 for my family of four at boma makes no sense for me. People complain, and then people suggest smarter options like dining off site or ordering groceries, or buying lunches instead of dinners, or any number of things. Tables in Wonderland went to $100.00, which no longer makes it a great deal for me, I need to know that and be able to talk about it.

It is being a good consumer. When I go to tripadvisor, I want to see the good reports and the mediocre. The disboards provide me good information on how to spend my money.

Edit: I just read the be our guest changes. BOG is the most popular restaurant, now that it is booked solid for 190 days, they are raising prices and cutting quality. Cornish hen to chicken breast, steak sandwich to roast beef sandwich. These are market pressures. I think those changes have negatively affected me. Thank you Rumors Rocks for educating me.

 

[mrsR123]

Well, Mr. Pirate, it's been what five, seven, ten years and we're still at the "but my four year old-- or I--love it" impasse...



Why cannot people understand that expecting quality or pointing out what could have or should have been better executed does not equate hating Disney?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Well, Mr. Pirate, it's been what five, seven, ten years and we're still at the "but my four year old-- or I--love it" impasse...



Why cannot people understand that expecting quality or pointing out what could have or should have been better executed does not equate hating Disney?

I certainty don't look at it that way......when Disney is wrong or not doing as well as they should I point it out fast.

What I am objecting to the name calling and snarky rude stuff.

Everyone is entitled to a opinion and no one deserves to be called names.

AKK

 

[bcrook]

Well, Mr. Pirate, it's been what five, seven, ten years and we're still at the "but my four year old-- or I--love it" impasse...



Why cannot people understand that expecting quality or pointing out what could have or should have been better executed does not equate hating Disney?

We are back to perspective again. There are no exemplars of quality to judge Disney, so everyone uses their own metric. When people try to set up a system that evaluates Disney based on some type of standard, Disney doesn't look as good. And then people see that as bashing. This is what I appreciate about you and peterpirate2, and others...an attempt at providing a standard or fair assessment.

It is like the high level of customer service. If you compare Disney hotels to excellent hotels, the service amenities and value are nowhere near high quality. Using that standard, Disney resorts are mediocre. That should be very clear and it is easy to defend. But that comment is labeled as negative.

 

[dairylives]

Jut my 2 cents, from someone who had been attacked and called a "troll" I tend to post regularly and I read every thread on here in the rumors.... I've noticed every post from mr pirate is all negative.. And I'm always thinking to my self why Re these people on here if they are so angry with Disney?

Whats the point of having a superiority complex if you don't have anyone to condescend to?

 

[bcrook]

Whats the point of having a superiority complex if you don't have anyone to condescend to?

Is that what you were referring to, Tonkas Skipper?

 

[dairylives]

Is that what you were referring to, Tonkas Skipper?

pardon?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Is that what you were referring to, Tonkas Skipper?

Yeap..that too!

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

We are back to perspective again. There are no exemplars of quality to judge Disney, so everyone uses their own metric. When people try to set up a system that evaluates Disney based on some type of standard, Disney doesn't look as good. And then people see that as bashing. This is what I appreciate about you and peterpirate2, and others...an attempt at providing a standard or fair assessment.



It is like the high level of customer service. If you compare Disney hotels to excellent hotels, the service amenities and value are nowhere near high quality. Using that standard, Disney resorts are mediocre. That should be very clear and it is easy to defend. But that comment is labeled as negative.

Perspective... again....I never never had anything but great service at Disney, nor have I felt them lacking.......but the big bull in the room is your paying for the fact your in Disney with all the extra amenities the entire property provides.

Location, location and the extra amenities found throughout the on site all figure in the calculation.

You never pay the prices Four seasons or the Waldorf charge if they wasn't in the local of big cities or areas that the wealthy go.

So your standard in incomplete and therefore does hold up.


Yes its negative...........but no you just presented your opinion and the facts your had to support it, you weren't shouting snarky statements or names!

 

[bcrook]

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Perspective... again....I never never had anything but great service at Disney, nor have I felt them lacking.......but the big bull in the room is your paying for the fact your in Disney with all the extra amenities the entire property provides.

Location, location and the extra amenities found throughout the on site all figure in the calculation.

You never pay the prices Four seasons or the Waldorf charge if they wasn't in the local of big cities or areas that the wealthy go.

So your standard in incomplete and therefore does hold up.


Yes its negative...........but no you just presented your opinion and the facts your had to support it, you weren't shouting snarky statements or names!

See this is exactly the trap that PeterPirate2 refers to with this thread. If I explain this further I will be labeled as negative.

High quality service is high quality. There isn't a sliding bar. The employees at wdw are not paid well, they are not trained at a high level (a lot of them are interns), there are strict rules that the CMs must follow and they are not allowed the freedom to improvise to handle unique customer needs. It is simply not high quality based established criteria.

But, I agree the service is very good based on the conditions at play.

 

[mrsR123]

See this is exactly the trap that PeterPirate2 refers to with this thread. If I explain this further I will be labeled as negative.

High quality service is high quality. There isn't a sliding bar. The employees at wdw are not paid well, they are not trained at a high level (a lot of them are interns), there are strict rules that the CMs must follow and they are not allowed the freedom to improvise to handle unique customer needs. It is simply not high quality based established criteria.

But, I agree the service is very good based on the conditions at play.

This.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

See this is exactly the trap that PeterPirate2 refers to with this thread. If I explain this further I will be labeled as negative.

High quality service is high quality. There isn't a sliding bar. The employees at wdw are not paid well, they are not trained at a high level (a lot of them are interns), there are strict rules that the CMs must follow and they are not allowed the freedom to improvise to handle unique customer needs. It is simply not high quality based established criteria.

But, I agree the service is very good based on the conditions at play.

There was no trap...but if you don't want to explain yourself that is your right. If your having some fun at my expense by talking in riddles, that's ok to, that doesn't bother me.

Your statement was negative, its certainty wasn't positive, but that doesn't make they negative opinion bad!

As to the siding scale....I disagree and explained why, I feel the service is great, The overall package is what makes the Disney resorts high quality.


AKK

 

[swebb0310]

I will admit that I haven't read this thread all the way through, but I think that at the heart of the debate is deep rooted personal philosophy. I don't think either side will ever come to a middle ground. That being said, i don't think it's s bad to point out that it is not necessary to belittle someone for having a different belief. I have been disappointed by the direction that comments have gone.
I'm new to the board, but I am new to any board I don't think it should matter how long I've been commenting here as to how valid my experience and opinion are.
I recognize that behind the magic and pixie dust is a corporation that is responsible to stand up to its share holders wishes. At the same time, I drink the kool-aid, and have never had a less than pixie dust filled experience.

My biggest concern with the negativity is that I feel like I read the most belittling posts from the perspective that Disney has lost it's magic at the hands of the greedy corporation. I respect your opinions, and am interested in learning both sides of the arguments. However, I can't see past the comments that drop with name calling and belittling statements.
Finally, if someone truly believes that the things that make Disney wonderful are being destroyed, this is not the place to make the change you want to see happen.
Honestly, the people here are either already on your side, or feel defensive of the thing try love and only see magic and pixie dust when they look at it.

 

[Disneyandphilliesfan]

Here is my take on this.Disney World has alot more to offer then just the parks.The resorts are always a good time but pricey yes.I would rather go stay at one of the Resorts and pay big bucks to enjoy the pools and dine at some fun resturants with decent food.Have a magical day.

 

[rteetz]

What's going on on the DIS? It appears that all Disney naysayers are being targeted for extinction.

Just look at all recent threads where any negative Disney comment is made and you will see numerous rebuttals of the ferocious variety that are simply Rah, Rah, Disney is MY park sentiment by posters who generally have very few previous posts. I smell a Mickey Rat.

Come on Pete Werner, if you want all dissention gone just tell us.

I don't expect Pete to comment but I'm sure the apologists will arrive shortly.

I totally agree with what you said here.

disney lover at heart