The CMs were Worried About Alligator Problem

[romitaz]

But I did not know, until now, that they live any where, and can out run any human, and that they would snatch up a child from shallow water.
Prior to our Disney vacations I research Disney. Not all of Florida. I would never in a million years have even though about an alligator at a populated Disney resort.

My heart hurts thinking about that boy's family and about how this traumatic death may have been prevented if Disney had simply posted a warning.

That's the thing. That is not even close to their normal behavior. Look at how rare it is that ANYONE gets bitten by an alligator much less dragged off. You say that you warn people that visit of the dangers of bears and moose, yet they still kill way more people than alligators do. The one bit of a silver lining in all of this is that it should raise everyone's awareness when they are outdoors.

 

[LeeAndRobin]

Why is this? Blame implies fault. You can certainly find a root cause that has both parties innocent of blame for an accident.

No. You can't. Unless the cause was by something fully uncontrollable like a meteor falling out of the sky, then someone is to blame. Period.

Accidents such as plane crashes MUST have someone to blame, I stand by my reasons above. The NTSB might be found at fault if they didn't blame someone. No blame has to be laid out to bring about change. The act in and of itself can do that all on its own without finger pointing and teeth gnashing.

So you're saying that plane crashes MUST have someone to blame, but for some reason other accidents don't necessarily require it? How can that be? Also, I'm not talking about "finger pointing and teeth gnashing" (which is what anyone on this board trying to assign blame is doing). I'm talking about an investigation by the appropriate authorities into what happened and the conditions surrounding the incident, and then having THEM assign blame, not a bunch of keyboard warriors on this board.

 

[romitaz]

Back to the discussion at hand, The articles mentioned are known for blowing a story straight out of the water and using misleading headlines for click bait. Clicks are how they get paid after all. How many CM's warned management? Why not come forward before this? You REALLY have to put stories like these through the laundry and let them hang out a bit on the line to get the stink off. The me too crowd and the I've been warning them for years crowd always shows up to get their 5 minutes of fame. JMO Your mileage may vary.

 

[romitaz]

No. You can't. Unless the cause was by something fully uncontrollable like a meteor falling out of the sky, then someone is to blame. Period.



So you're saying that plane crashes MUST have someone to blame, but for some reason other accidents don't necessarily require it? How can that be? Also, I'm not talking about "finger pointing and teeth gnashing" (which is what anyone on this board trying to assign blame is doing). I'm talking about an investigation by the appropriate authorities into what happened and the conditions surrounding the incident, and then having THEM assign blame, not a bunch of keyboard warriors on this board.

I'm saying there HAS to be blame for folks to feel like they did something. The NTSB would be out of a job if someone wasn't blamed EVERY TIME. Whether there is blame or not, you can bet the bank that blame will be assigned.

 

[JenLT]

That's the thing. That is not even close to their normal behavior. Look at how rare it is that ANYONE gets bitten by an alligator much less dragged off. You say that you warn people that visit of the dangers of bears and moose, yet they still kill way more people than alligators do. The one bit of a silver lining in all of this is that it should raise everyone's awareness when they are outdoors.

But its not far off their normal behavior - a toddler is not much bigger than their prey which oftentimes they snatch from the water's edge. That's also why it is illegal to feed the alligators. I've been reading about it since this incident. Apparently, when people feed alligators it makes them associate food with humans. Humans feeding alligators make alligators think of humans as food.

Yes, it is rare, but then again most people who live by alligators know about the problem and are aware. That makes their behavior safer in general. People shouldn't run around afraid, just take the proper precautions...don't go in the water, stay away from the edge especially at night, and never feed the alligators!

 

[LeeAndRobin]

I'm saying there HAS to be blame for folks to feel like they did something. The NTSB would be out of a job if someone wasn't blamed EVERY TIME. Whether there is blame or not, you can bet the bank that blame will be assigned.

So just so we're clear, you think that finding the cause of a plane crash, and then assigning blame to those whose negligence caused the accident, is only done by NTSB to keep NTSB in business? Wow, you have a huge misunderstanding of how accident investigations work, and why they are done the way they are. Even the local highway patrol assigns blame in accidents. Should they also quit determining the cause of traffic accidents and assigning blame for them?

 

[romitaz]

So just so we're clear, you think that finding the cause of a plane crash, and then assigning blame to those whose negligence caused the accident, is only done by NTSB to keep NTSB in business? Wow, you have a huge misunderstanding of how accident investigations work, and why they are done the way they are. Even the local highway patrol assigns blame in accidents. Should they also quit determining the cause of traffic accidents and assigning blame for them?

I take it you are in this line of work? You seem to know a great deal about how it works. If a bolt fails and a plane crashes, is the bolt at fault? WHO gets the blame for the bolt? The manufacturer? The inspector? The Installer? SOMEONE will get the blame. They can't come out and say, well bolt 117 failed. Nope, someone will be blamed for bolt 117 whether its right or not. It's how our minds and sensibilities insist on seeing the situation.

 

[dlavender]

I take it you are in this line of work? You seem to know a great deal about how it works. If a bolt fails and a plane crashes, is the bolt at fault? WHO gets the blame for the bolt? The manufacturer? The inspector? The Installer? SOMEONE will get the blame. They can't come out and say, well bolt 117 failed. Nope, someone will be blamed for bolt 117 whether its right or not. It's how our minds and sensibilities insist on seeing the situation.

I would say, if the company noticed there were bolts failing, and then had a team of people to watch the bolts and make sure they were being monitored appropriately, yet did not warn anyone - the inspectors, manufacturers, plane companies, that the bolts were failing because statistically you are more likely to die in a car crash than a plane crash, and there is a 1/10 million chance that a bolt failure could cause a plane crash, then you are to blame. You should have let people know that the bolts were failing.

You certainly don't blame the passengers, and say, well, they chose to fly, and planes crash, they knew the risks.......

 

[rteetz]

Since we are back to placing blame and arguing about who's to blame this thread is closed.