The Chanukah Thread

I am Jewish and was on the Wonder a couple of weeks ago. Of course, everything was decorated for Christmas; the characters at WDW were dressed in Christmas clothes and all the music everywhere was Christmas songs. I think the Christmas holiday is very pretty and I love how everyone now matter what religion seem to get along. However, I did get tired of everything being Christmas as not everyone celebrates it. I did go to the purser's desk on the Wonder and asked them why there were no Hanukkah decorations etc and the comment was "What's Hanukkah". I thought a Menorah would be nice but they had no clue. Even the stores at MGM had tons of Christmas gift items and I found one Hanuakkah item - Mickey next to a dreidel so I bought it. I do resent that people think everyone celebrates Christmas and when someones wishes me a "Merry Christmas" sometimes I reply with "Happy Hanukkah". They will usually respond with "I don't celebrate that" and I reply the same. Not trying to be insensitive and I realize that we live in a Christian country but why not say "Happy Holidays" when both holidays are so close together.

Sorry this is so long. Happy Hanukkah to my Jewish friends.

Bev
 
This is a very interesting thread! I am fascinated with religions of all types and have always wanted to learn more. I myself am Catholic and went to Catholic school my whole life...therefore we did have to learn about several Jewish holidays. We even had a Seder meal in our class one year!

At any rate, I have a questions for the Jewish people on the boards, it is something I have always wondered about. In high school I used to babysit regularly for a Jewish family who did Christmas -- the whole 9 yards -- for their kids. I knew they were Jewish so imagine my extreme shock when I came over one day to find a huge Christmas tree and the whole house bedecked in Christmas decorations, lights and all. I guess because of my background as a Catholic I have always thought of Christmas as primarily a religious holiday, not a secular one (although there certainly are secular aspects) and I knew this family could not have been celebrating Christmas for any kind of religious reason.

Just wondering what your thoughts were on that. I mean, does it not really matter that this family celebrated Christmas? Or do you think they were sending their kids the wrong message instead of teaching them to truly honor and uphold their own heritage? I have always wondered how Jews felt about that, because I have since heard of other Jewish families celebrating Christmas as well.
 
My family is not Jewish - but I wanted to stop by and say Happy Chanukah to all of you!! I hope you all have a wonderful holiday!! :wave:
 
Lemondog, do you know for sure both parents were Jewish? Could be that one wasn't, but they were raising the kids Jewish. Or it could be, like with me, that they were not raised Jewish and have held on to certain things from their past. We used to do nothing for Christmas, being Jewish. Problem is that I really missed parts of Christmas and I had a hard time every December. We decided that we could be Jewish and still have a tree, stockings, etc. We don't make a big deal about Christmas, but we don't ignore it, either. We sometimes have a tree, but not every year (and not this year with the kittens that we have...). The only thing that we do every year is stockings.

It works for us, even though it's not for everyone. :teeth:
 

While both Christmas and Chanukah are based in religion, they are also very culturally based. So a Jewish family celebratin Christmas, could very well be celebrating the "cultural" aspect of the holiday. It is impossible to go anywhere between Thanksgiving (or Halloween really) and December 25 (and after too) without being bombarded with "Christmas" and very little of it has anything to do with the birth of Christ.
 
Hmmm... I didn't know I was supposed to be living in the Jewish "ghetto." Maybe we can get the bricks from the Warsaw ghetto back from various Holocaust museums and build us a new home. The Iranian president had an idea about Alaska or something....

Sorry. The hostility on the boards lately towards those who do not love christmas, plus the lack of radio stations to listen to, is starting to get to me. I should be back to normal on Monday.
 
rigs32 said:
Hmmm... I didn't know I was supposed to be living in the Jewish "ghetto." Maybe we can get the bricks from the Warsaw ghetto back from various Holocaust museums and build us a new home. The Iranian president had an idea about Alaska or something....

Sorry. The hostility on the boards lately towards those who do not love christmas, plus the lack of radio stations to listen to, is starting to get to me. I should be back to normal on Monday.

When I first read the ghetto comment I chalked it up to a different meaning for the word, living in the UK. After the other thread I'm not so sure.
 
flminivanmama said:

flminivanmama, I was staring at your user name, trying to figure it out when the lightbulb went off. I was thinking that it was the first letters of your kid's names. :rotfl:
 
Tigger&Belle said:
When I first read the ghetto comment I chalked it up to a different meaning for the word, living in the UK. After the other thread I'm not so sure.

It is a district in Venice, originally a foundry, after which other areas enclosed for Jewish religious reasons are named. It was a place of safety for Jews in the sixteenth century, to protect them from the Roman Catholic church who were persecuting them throughout Europe at that time.
Did you not see Al Pacino as the Merchant of Venice?

ford family
 
ford family said:
It is a district in Venice, originally a foundry, after which other areas enclosed for Jewish religious reasons are named. It was a place of safety for Jews in the sixteenth century, to protect them from the Roman Catholic church who were persecuting them throughout Europe at that time.
Did you not see Al Pacino as the Merchant of Venice?

ford family

Interesting--nope, I didn't see the movie...


flminivanmama, in that case I'm a MD minivan mama. :teeth:
 
Happy Chanukah to all our Jewish friends on the DIS!
 
Tigger&Belle said:
Here's a link to check out. Doesn't exactly paint the history of the ghetto in the same light. http://www.jewishvenice.org/ghetto/history.html
I figured I would cut and paste just in case anyone actually believed the ghetto was a good thing
Until the 14th century, Jews were allowed to come to Venice for money-lending activities, but were not allowed permanent residents permits. The first Jews were allowed to settle in Venice only in 1385, when the city was involved in a war against neighbouring Chioggia and needed loans from the Jewish money-lenders.

But racism persisted, and in 1516 Venice's ruling council confined all the Jews in a smallen getti, or foundries. The gates were locked at night, and restrictions were placed on Jewish economic activities. Jews were only allowed to operate pawn shops and lend money, trade in textiles, and practice medicine.
They were allowed to area not far from today's train station, where there had be leave the Ghetto during the day, but were marked as Jews: Men wore a yellow circle stitched on the left shoulder of their cloaks or jackets, while women wore a yellow scarf. Later on, the men's circle became a yellow beret and still later a red one.

The first Jews to settle in the Ghetto were the central European Ashkenazim. They built two Synagogues. the Scola Grande Tedesca in 1528-29 and the Scola Canton in 1531-32. They are on the top floors of adjacent buildings, above the Jewish museum and from the outside, are not easily distinguishable from the apartments around them.
Space was limited, and according to Jewish law it is forbidden to have any thing between the Synagogue and the sky - hence their strange attic location. The canton Synagogue was probably added to house the large number of Jews already in the Ghetto.

Next came the Levantine Jews, who practiced the Sepharadic rite. When they got their own neighbourhood, an extension of the Venetian Ghetto granted in 1541, they were wealthy enough to build a Synagogue on the ground, rather than in cramped top floor apartments. The rich red and gold interior of the Levantine Synagogue is particularly beautiful. If you're their in the summer and get to see it. note the intricately carved wooden bimah , or pulpit, and the carved wooden decorations on the ceiling.
Mixed in with the poorer Ashkenazim were Italian Jews who had migrated north to Venice from central and southern Italy. In 1575, they built their own Synagogue on top of some apartments in the same square as the German shul. The Scola Italiana has a cupola, barely visible from the square outside, and a portico with columns marking it's entrance. Inside, there's another exquisitely carved wooden ark of the covenant, housing the Torah.

Levatines and Ashkenazim, Italian and Spanish Jews all lived together in the Ghetto through hard times - including the plague of 1630 - and better times, until Napoleon threw open the gates in 1797 and recognized equal rights to the Jews of Venice. At its height, around 1650, the Ghetto housed about 4,000 people in a space roughly equivalent to 2-1/2 city blocks. Before World War II there were still about 1,300 Jews in the Ghetto, but 289 were deported by the Nazis and only seven returned.
Did you know?
The Jewish Ghetto of Venice is the worlds oldest Jewish Ghetto! It was established by the Venice' Ruling Council in 1516...


Venice and the Jewish Ghetto attract over 300,000 Jewish tourists a year!
 
Tigger&Belle said:
When I first read the ghetto comment I chalked it up to a different meaning for the word, living in the UK. After the other thread I'm not so sure.

What other thread?

I blew off the ghetto comment as a UKism. But after that and the earlier joke that was so stereotypical, I'm not so sure.
 
ford family said:
Did you not see Al Pacino as the Merchant of Venice?

There are many interpretations that Shakespeare's Shylock in The Merchant of Venice was tainted with anti-semitism.
 


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