The Bachelor Jake thread Spoilers welcome

[itchin2go]

Nope, I don't believe Rozlyn for one second....

Like somebody posted as a comment on RS site - "So, EVERYONE is a liar, EXCEPT Rozlyn???" Ummmm, yeah right!!!

Okay, I know that half of this show is 'staged' and all of that other crap... But, no way do I believe that Rozlyn is completely innocent here.

Rozlyn has NOT been forthcoming, AT ALL.
Nothing but excuses and blanket denial. (Denial that is not even believable)

She started out saying "My personal life is my business"... NO denial there... Just a completely ridiculous statement.

Then the whole "Just using his phone to call my son..." Ummm, Yeah Right! Again, completely ridiculous and not even believable. (Other contestants who are mothers know the drill.)

Okay, lets skip that and go on to the whole "The other girls did not speak up earlier...." OF COURSE NOT!!!! THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER CONTRACTUAL LIMITATIONS!!! HELLLLOOOOOO!!!!! THEY SIMPLY CAN NOT GIVE ANY REAL DETAILS!!! These girls know the 'drill'

Sure, now that it has come to the WTA episode, the producers have given their permission and/or encouragement for the girls to speak up.

You are trying to tell me that somebody like Ella, and all of the others as well, are going to come on here and outright lie... somehow, I am not buying that.

And, as far as why Rozlyn was escorted on and off - Honey, this is now becoming a possible legal matter... She is making some serious allegations here. So, really, now that this is the case.. she is lucky that she was allowed to speak on the WTA show at all.

Like I said - I know this show is a lot of drama and a lot of scripted crap... but, this time, I think there is something behind it all...

I agree that Rozlyn is not 100% innocent. But by the same token, I don't believe that everything the show is putting forth is 100% true. I think swallowing either story hook, line and sinker would not be wise.

Re: the "my personal life is my business" thing, here's my 2 cents. First of all, we know the show edits the hell out of everything. Slice and splice. I think they could have been talking about the son/cell phone thing (which by the way has been in play since RS spilled the beans WAY back at the end of the season). The story was that Roz couldn't talk to her son because her ex hubby wouldn't sign the release for her kid to be on the show. What one has to do with the other, I don't know. Is this show so machiavellian (sp?) that they won't let you talk to your kid unless it's on camera? Sounds like that's what Roz was insinuating. Anyway, if they were talking about that, her personal life comment could have been in response to that.

Think about it. Saying "my personal life is my own business" in response to an accusation that you were hooking up with a producer while you're on a dating show to date another dude is absurd. Of course it's their business if she's hooking up with the producer. I don't believe her statement was in response to that accusation. That would be STUPID. Who would say that? But they edited the conversation to seem like that's what was going on.

Look, I don't trust this show as far as I can throw it. And it's not that I trust Rozlyn any more than that, but when I weigh the possibilities .... Is it more likely that Roz was trying to hook up with that curmudgeonly producer while she was on a show competing to date Jake? Or is it more likely that Roz became a thorn in the side of the show, and they threw her under the bus?

In my experience, if the powers that be want to get rid of you, they will find a way. I've seen it happen at work over and over and over again. Here you've got this big powerful tv show vs. this makeup artist plucked from relative obscurity.

Ok, done blabbering. Carry on.

 

[DianeV]

I agree and I think Rozyln was thrown under the bus. Even Valaisha is saying now that she feels bad because she never really 'saw' anything to indicate something going on. That she was drawn into all the innuendos being thrown around and all the other girls jumping on board.

It is strange that there is no evidence of this and honestly the show where it happened seemed so strange that I would not doubt they edited things

 

[Wishing on a star]

Ohhhhh, I agree that this show is the way it is...

However, in the context of the show, even obvious 'flirting' between a producer and a participant is grounds for dismissal. There is no middle ground here.

If Rozlyn had done nothing wrong - then the whole 'big bad show' would be a valid argument.

IMHO, she very obviously DID do something wrong.

RS is taking the whole, very one sided "I believe Rozlyn" and "Big Bad Show" stand.

Yes, I believe Rozlyn is guilty on some level.

And, sure, since something obviously happened, the show IS going to take it and run with it.

Actually, I thought that they actually REFRAINED from dramatizing it... Just showing Chris send her home... No trash talking by the other girls.... No 'juicy' 'sordid' details.....

Nothing like that at all, until now.... and the WTA episode.

It is Rozlyn and her denial, and her lies, and her current very serious allegations that have escalated all of this.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Okay, let me be blunt and put it this way...

Would I believe that contestants on a show like this would 'hook-up'.... YES, IN A HEARTBEAT!!! JUST LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE!!!

Would I believe that Chris Harrison, all the other women, and everyone else involved would completely and totally fabricate something like this???? Something that never, ever, even came close to happening???
NOPE, I AM NOT SO SURE.

 

[itchin2go]

Actually, I thought that they actually REFRAINED from dramatizing it... Just showing Chris send her home... No trash talking by the other girls.... No 'juicy' 'sordid' details.....

What IF all Rozlyn did was sweet talk the producer into giving her some arguably preferential treatment, i.e. letting her use his cell phone to call her son when it was strictly against the rules? What IF Rozlyn was P.O.d because the show would not let her call her son, and she started flipping out? What IF the show realized, crap, we've got a problem on our hands -- we need to get rid of this chick? What IF the best excuse they came up with to let her go was her close relationship with this producer (in that he was doing favors for her that were against the rules)? Well, they can't say we didn't let Roz call her son and she sweet-talked a producer into letting her call him, right? So, they say there was an inappropriate relationship -- and maybe there was.

IF that's the truth, then they didn't "refrain from dramatizing" things, they actually twisted things and made them sound worse than they were. They used vague statements rather than the truth because they knew people's imaginations would run wild. Maybe they didn't present any juicy sordid details because there were none, and they didn't want to reveal the real details.

The monkeywrench, though, was RS. He reported all this, so (I think) they THEN needed to ratchet things up a notch. Why not go ahead and say it was a physical relationships? Probably not a lie. They probably at least hugged. Still no sordid details, but call it a "physical relationship" and watch people's imaginations run wild again.

Now, ask yourself this -- how would they have filled up a "Women Tell All" show with anything compelling without the Rozlyn debacle? They had to address it and it would definitely get people to tune in. Plus, they got Roz to come on the show (bad move Roz). So if she's going to accuse them of shenanigans, they needed a rebuttal. Notice that the SHOW never gave any details. They let the girls do that. Can't get sued if Chris Harrison doesn't make any accusations, right?

I think some of the girls saw some questionable things, so maybe some of them were telling truth-ish tales (although Valeisha has already recanted). Most of what they said was not particularly damning. The only truly damning story came from Jessie, and I don't, not for one minute, believe a word of what she said. Without that tall tale, Jessie would not have gotten one minute of airtime. She's ambitious as all get out. Go look at her website or her youtube videos.

I don't know these people. I don't know what the truth is. But you lose me when you say the show refrained from dramatizing things. They overdramatize everything. They make mountains out of molehills. Whatever they present on the show, you can bet the truth is much smaller. THAT I feel sure of.

If you accept that as fact -- that the show makes as big a deal as possible out of everything -- then what Rozlyn did must not have been near as bad as they made it out to be. And maybe that's why I tend to side with Rozlyn.

 

[lewdyan1]

Okay, I've been reading along and have one thought to throw out there. The producer was also fired and if there was nothing behind the story, he would be suing them for being fired under false accusations. Since he isn't saying anything, it makes me wonder...

 

[happygirl]

Okay, I've been reading along and have one thought to throw out there. The producer was also fired and if there was nothing behind the story, he would be suing them for being fired under false accusations. Since he isn't saying anything, it makes me wonder...

That is a good point. I 100% believe Roszlyn was messing around with this guy. There is no way he would go and see her and bring his dad with him if nothing was gong on.

 

[~disneydiva~]

Okay, I've been reading along and have one thought to throw out there. The producer was also fired and if there was nothing behind the story, he would be suing them for being fired under false accusations. Since he isn't saying anything, it makes me wonder...

Interesting....I haven't thought of that.....

 

[tchrrx]

How do we know someone was actually fired though?

 

[Robinrs]

How do we know someone was actually fired though?

Took the words literally OUT of my mouth!

 

[Gabes_mommy]

The thing that bothers me about the whole Rozlyn situation is that on Jillian's season they had Wes telling the camera that he had a girlfriend blatantly, yet they let him stay. Why would they let him stay on a "dating show" but get rid of Rozlyn for allegedly hooking up with a producer? It seems a little two-sided to me.

She must have done something to really upset the producers of the show in addition to any flirtation she may have had with the staffer. That's my take at least.

ETA - I think Reality Steve is defending her so strongly just to get on her good side. Let's face it - she is gorgeous. LOL

 

[itchin2go]

Okay, I've been reading along and have one thought to throw out there. The producer was also fired and if there was nothing behind the story, he would be suing them for being fired under false accusations. Since he isn't saying anything, it makes me wonder...

Well, if the producer did something wrong, that could be grounds for firing him. If he's not supposed to give people his cellphone to call loved ones, perhaps that's grounds for firing. I do feel like there had to be more to it than that, but not necessarily making out on the stairs. But you can't just make the leap that since the producer was fired, he must have been having a sexual relationship with Rozlyn.

Also, here's a link to Corrie's blog

http://ohsodandy.com/blog/, where she says:

"Well, since I was completely edited out of last nights show I’m not sure it’s even worth informing y’all of the where abouts of my outfit but since I have gotten emails from a few people who saw me back there somewhere I guess I will. I PROMISE I did talk… but I really only had nice things to say.. and t.v. people don’t like nice, so I was cut. LOL."

Good for her.

Just food for thought.

 

[lillygator]

Okay, I've been reading along and have one thought to throw out there. The producer was also fired and if there was nothing behind the story, he would be suing them for being fired under false accusations. Since he isn't saying anything, it makes me wonder...

exactly what I was going to post. he would have a lawsuit against them I am sure.

 

[itchin2go]

The thing that bothers me about the whole Rozlyn situation is that on Jillian's season they had Wes telling the camera that he had a girlfriend blatantly, yet they let him stay. Why would they let him stay on a "dating show" but get rid of Rozlyn for allegedly hooking up with a producer? It seems a little two-sided to me.

She must have done something to really upset the producers of the show in addition to any flirtation she may have had with the staffer. That's my take at least.

ETA - I think Reality Steve is defending her so strongly just to get on her good side. Let's face it - she is gorgeous. LOL

Regarding Wes, perhaps Wes didn't have a girlfriend. Wes still maintains he didn't have a girlfriend and the show threw him under the bus. IF Wes didn't have a girlfriend, they can't exactly throw him off for it, right?

But if you were to ask The Show that question, they would say they had no proof that Wes had a girlfriend, whereas they had proof (in the form of the producer's admission) that Roz and producer had an "inappropriate relationship". That piece of tape where Wes said something like, "I'm in the final four and I have a girlfriend" was supposed to be one of their splice and slice jobs. He was saying it like it was absurd and they ran it like it was a confession.

Plus, I think a relationship with a staffer is worse than a relationship with someone outside the show -- in this bizarre reality tv world.

I DO think Roz angered the producers and that's why we have all this drama.

I also think it's highly possible that RS is just trying to get on Roz' good side. Plus his interview with her (tomorrow I think) will make his stock go up for sure.

 

[Gabes_mommy]

Regarding Wes, perhaps Wes didn't have a girlfriend. Wes still maintains he didn't have a girlfriend and the show threw him under the bus. IF Wes didn't have a girlfriend, they can't exactly throw him off for it, right?

But if you were to ask The Show that question, they would say they had no proof that Wes had a girlfriend, whereas they had proof (in the form of the producer's admission) that Roz and producer had an "inappropriate relationship". That piece of tape where Wes said something like, "I'm in the final four and I have a girlfriend" was supposed to be one of their splice and slice jobs. He was saying it like it was absurd and they ran it like it was a confession.

Plus, I think a relationship with a staffer is worse than a relationship with someone outside the show -- in this bizarre reality tv world.

I DO think Roz angered the producers and that's why we have all this drama.

I also think it's highly possible that RS is just trying to get on Roz' good side. Plus his interview with her (tomorrow I think) will make his stock go up for sure.

Remember when Wes was sent home he said something like, "I'm the only guy to ever get to the final 4 with a girlfriend." The fact that he would deny after his own statement is pretty ridiculous. I do get what you're saying about the show not having "proof", but I still think they should have gotten rid of him after it started coming out among all the guys. Heck they even let Jake come back just to tell Jillian.

 

[Wishing on a star]

1. The fact that a producer was fired (not just Rozlyn) is exactly why this is a possible legal matter, and why, in this one case, ABC is almost forced to act the way they have..

2. I don't care if she was just 'flirting' so that she could get perks (use of the phone) These things are very clearly against the contractual agreements that these bachelor(ettes) have willingly signed, and are, therefore, grounds for immediate dismissal.

Bottom line - NO, they do not have to be caught, on tape, having sex.

The whole "Maybe they never truly had sexual relations" is a completely invalid and moot point.

And, remember, if this was a 'producer', what lowly cameraman in his right mind is going be caught tailing and spying on a producer. Not one who might want to keep his job, that's for sure. It seems obvious that this producer managed to be around after hours when other cameramen and staff had gone on their way.

IMHO, yes this show is guilty of being the scripted drama inspiring excuse for reality entertainment that it very obviously is. So, I am in NO way defending the show.

But, IMHO, in this case, that is just not the point.
My opinion of the show is not what is on trial here.

I do not believe that Rozlyn is as innocent as the driven snow.
And, in this case, even such a blatant perception of impropriety was valid cause for her and the producers dismissal.

I can see no way that ABC would subject themselves to legal prosecution and damages by fabricating this whole thing out of nothing. No Way. No How.

 

[Wishing on a star]

double post ?????

 

[starann]

Remember when Wes was sent home he said something like, "I'm the only guy to ever get to the final 4 with a girlfriend." The fact that he would deny after his own statement is pretty ridiculous. I do get what you're saying about the show not having "proof", but I still think they should have gotten rid of him after it started coming out among all the guys. Heck they even let Jake come back just to tell Jillian.

According to Wes, this was an edit job....what he said he said was something that started like I would have I have gotten to the end if I had a girlfriend? I'm the only guy who ever got to the final 4 wit ha gf"

I am not a fan of Wes, but agree that there is a LOT of editing to make things appear differnt than they are!

 

[itchin2go]

According to Wes, this was an edit job....what he said he said was something that started like I would have I have gotten to the end if I had a girlfriend? I'm the only guy who ever got to the final 4 wit ha gf"

I am not a fan of Wes, but agree that there is a LOT of editing to make things appear differnt than they are!

Yep. And I guess this is part of why I don't believe what the show is putting forth. I think they did a hatchet job with Wes and they're doing a hatchet job with Rozlyn.

No, Rozlyn's not innocent. If she never used the producer's phone or had him mail stuff or whatever, maybe she wouldn't be in this mess. I have no doubt that she flirted, but that's a subjective thing. Two people could see the same situation and have different opinions about what happened.

I am not for a moment saying that Rozlyn is an angel. Heck, I think she was raising holy He!! over the son thing and that's why they wanted to get rid of her. But again, the day I stop thinking critically and just believe whatever a sensationalistic tv program is putting forth is the day I should just be put out to pasture.

 

[DearDaisyinDurham]

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