The 17 Day Diet and Dukan Diet

[sbtrfly74]

Wow...that's a ton of carbs for one meal!

Back to Atkins. And I mean really DOING Atkins...scrutinizing the information on their website, rather than just thinking I'm doing Atkins by eating a lot of protein and low carbing.

I did Atkins years ago and go back to it from time to time but really got sick of all the greasy foods (I overdid the sausage,cheese and bacon)

I started Nutrisystem in January and lost about 8-10lbs and was eating much healthier but too expensive and started bouncing up and down and couldnt get down any further.

Last week I started the Dukan diet, my sister picked up the book and lost 3lbs the first day and with only 2 weeks left till vacation I'm willing to try anything. I love, love, love this diet! Im done the first phase which was strictly lean proteins and am now adding good carbs. I've lost 8lbs in the first week and am 1.4lbs from my initial goal weight

I'm now setting a new goal weight, the one that I normally would say "Oh, I'll never see that weight again"

Go to Dr. Oz's website, the dukan diet was on his show yesterday and talks about how its different from Adkins, after you loose the weight its different from South Beach as well! This I can do

 

[LPZ_Stitch!]

I have the book and have read most of it but not sure is it would be possible for me to do. I would be eating 2 eggs in the morning, yogurt and fruit for lunch and then a plain ckn breast with some veggies at supper. Since that is all I would be eating for quite a long time I'm not sure if it would work. I know that after a week or two this diet would get really old. I can't eat fish or a lot of raw salads because of problems and allergies.

The problem with all of these "quick fix" sort of diets is that you'll want to stop doing it as soon as you've lost the weight you want to lose. However, you're more likely to go back to eating like you used to, and you'll start gaining it back. You really can't live long-term, enjoyably, on nothing but two eggs, fruit and yogurt and a skinnless chicken breast every day.

Learning what your body needs (calorie-wise) and adopting a diet that "lives" within your calorie range is much more sustainable.

You can find out how many calories your body needs from this calculator:
Calorie Calculator - Daily Calorie Needs

And, there are tons of sites to help figure out the calories in the foods you're eating.

When you know how many calories you need and how many calories are in the foods you want to eat, there's no need to restrict any type of food at all. Eat whatever you want, just manage your portions/calories. And, as you do, you'll educate yourself about nutrition, too....

Following this method, I've lost 20lbs (and kept it off for 2 years) and my DW has lost 45lbs (and, kept it off for two years as well).

My DW uses a great, free app for her iPhone called Lose It!, I just used a simple spreadsheet on my PalmPilot....

 

[luvsJack]

Well, I have tried WW and the spark people diet and neither one worked for me. I think I need the restrictions because I do not do well eating any carbs, they blow me up. I am going to try this, so if anyone else wants to do it, lets try it together!!

I think I need the restrictions too.
I am going to try this. I need to grocery shop and will probably get started tomorrow.
I am also modifying it a bit, my breakfast has to be 1 piece of toast with peanut butter. I just don't feel good eating anything else.
so other than that small modification, I am going to stick to the plan

I am the same way! I NEED restrictions. Although I know that WW is a great plan, it just doesn't work for me. I will be looking online for more info!

 

[Planogirl]

There are a lot more foods allowed on this diet than people seem to realize. I like it because I've spent a few years enjoying a low carb lifestyle but I found it restrictive because I like fruit and I feel that yogurt is a healthy food item. Otherwise my diet is about the same except I'm not allowing other meats for the 17 days and of course cheese it out.

My diet is not exact though. I don't drink the lemon juice and I still struggle to drink 8 glasses of water. Otherwise it's still much the same as I've been doing.

By the way, I did lose 40 pounds on a low carb lifestyle and would like to lose a bit more. I stalled out though and needed something else to try for a while. I don't know if it will work but I'm willing to give it a shot.

 

[Planogirl]

I have the book right here...

It say to eat plenty of protein and vegetables and fruit being sure to skip high sugar fruit. It says to curb the carbs and choose fats wisely. It also pushes probiotics and lots of fluids. On Cycle 1 (the first 17 days called Accelerate), you eat a more restricted diet. You eat unlimited fish or poultry and most vegetables. You can also have eggs but the guy warns to watch your cholesterol intake if necessary. You also eat two servings per day of low sugar fruit and probiotics (yogurt for me). It also asks for a minimum of 17 minutes of exercise per day.

Cycle 2 (called Activate) includes lean meat, more starchy items, legumes and so on. You alternate days of cycle 1 and cycle 2.

Cycle 3 is called Achieve. It's even less restrictive even though you can tweak it according to your own needs. The book has suggestions for that.

The final cycle is Arrive and you only go to that if you're satisfied with your weight loss. The writer stresses that you can't go back to your old ways that possibly caused you to gain weight but you can maintain if you follow certain suggestions.

I don't know if this will work yet since I'm just finishing up my first cycle 1 but we'll see. I'll probably fail since I'm not drinking the stupid lemon in water every day!

 

[npmommie]

Last week I started the Dukan diet, my sister picked up the book and lost 3lbs the first day and with only 2 weeks left till vacation I'm willing to try anything. I love, love, love this diet! Im done the first phase which was strictly lean proteins and am now adding good carbs. I've lost 8lbs in the first week and am 1.4lbs from my initial goal weight

I'm now setting a new goal weight, the one that I normally would say "Oh, I'll never see that weight again"

Go to Dr. Oz's website, the dukan diet was on his show yesterday and talks about how its different from Adkins, after you loose the weight its different from South Beach as well! This I can do

I just watched the Dukan segment on Dr. Oz!
I like the idea of both plans, Dukan is more restrictive, and I don't like that it omits olive oil........what to put on a salad??
I have to see the book, I requested it from our library, but there are so many holds on it, not sure when I will get it.
I may check it out at barnes and noble
i have the 17 day diet book from the library........I can't do the lemon water either! LOL

I was actually surprised that the Dukan got some positive reviews.
I knew Dr. Furhman would give it a low score, he is a vegan and his book Eat to Live is good, but very restrictive as well in a different way.
to be fair though, I did follow the eat to live plan and I did lose the weight but.........I gained it back because I couldn't maintain that level of eating for the long term.
it just wasn't right for me. long term.

 

[hambirg]

I've seen a bit about this diet too. I think it looks pretty good. I like that it carb cycles. Most people will have better results with that.

I have a lot of bodybuilder and fitness model friends. So what I have done in the past is mostly just knowledge from them. The closest "diet" I have seen to how they eat is Tosca Reno's Eat Clean. But they are all similar. . .high protein, low carb, good fats. I might try this one. . .but I know I don't do well with dairy. . .but I think just greek yogurt or cottage cheese is ok for me.

What I have found is that you won't be hungry. Which of course is sometimes a problem when dieting. Who wants to starve themselves thin?

This is my "I'm dieting" plan:

Meal one: scrambled eggbeaters with spinach and mushrooms or salsa and oatmeal with apples and cinnamon or stevia.

Meal two: Protein shake or fruit and natty PB

Meal three: lean protein (tuna, turkey or chicken breast), salad or spinach, cucumbers, celery tomatoes or whatever non-starchy veggie I feel like and brown rice or a rice cake.

Meal four: depending on how I feel. If I'm dragging I will have a carb. . .a few "healthy" crackers, a piece of fruit, or another rice cake with some sanck size protein. . .natty PB, turkey, tuna etc.

Meal five: Chicken breast, salmon, sirloin, a green veggie, and sometimes a very small portion of healthy carb (brown rice for me. A lot of bodybuilders have their sweet potato here, but try as I might, I HATE sweet potatoes.)

Meal six: a few tablespoons of cottage cheese. I found if I don't eat this before bed, I will wake up with hunger pangs and then have to eat a banana.

What is important to remember is that everybody is different. I don't do well with carbs or dairy. I also have to have a fair amount of healthy fats. . .not enough will stall my weight loss.

HTH

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I am the same way! I NEED restrictions. Although I know that WW is a great plan, it just doesn't work for me.

Me too!!

 

[Magic Mom]

You do not need a specialty diet.

What you do need is to be eating a healthy breakfast, healthy lunch, and a healthy dinner. In addition to those things exercise.

I know someone who is diabetic and has to eat a certain way in order to stay healthy and his nutritionist even shook their head at diets like the one being discussed in this thread.

The person I know reads nutrition labels religiously, and is not allowed to have over 60-70 carbs a meal. And walks 4-5 miles a day, and since February has lost 30 pounds.

Different things work for different people.

 

[rwdavis2]

As someone who's lost 50lbs over the last year and kept it off I'd recommend against any type of fad diet like this. You can't keep them up. You have to adapt your eating habits to something you can do for a lifetime. It's not about always avoiding specific foods. I would recommend seeing a nutritionist who could help you pick good foods you like and to drop ones that are not worth the calories.

I pretty much eat what I want but in smaller portions. I realized I was eating 50%-100% beyond what I needed to avoid being hungry at most meals. Once I did that the weight just fell off. It's all about higher protein and lower carbs. By the way, yogurt is relatively high in protein and not too fattening if you eat non-fat.
BD

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Different things work for different people.

Exactly.

As someone who's lost 50lbs over the last year and kept it off I'd recommend against any type of fad diet like this. You can't keep them up. You have to adapt your eating habits to something you can do for a lifetime. It's not about always avoiding specific foods. I would recommend seeing a nutritionist who could help you pick good foods you like and to drop ones that are not worth the calories.

I pretty much eat what I want but in smaller portions. I realized I was eating 50%-100% beyond what I needed to avoid being hungry at most meals. Once I did that the weight just fell off. It's all about higher protein and lower carbs. By the way, yogurt is relatively high in protein and not too fattening if you eat non-fat.
BD

1) They're not fad diets. 2) Not everything works for everyone. 3) You can't say what others can or can't do for a lifetime. 4) Most people who are against Atkins don't truly know the diet (I'm "studying" it now, and altho I THOUGHT I was "doing" Atkins before, I really wasn't) and love to spout things like "You can't eat meat all day." Umm...that's not what Atkins is. 5) Atkins is actually supported by many in the medical community, if not your nutritionist. 6) As others have stated, they NEED the restrictions of some of these diets. I remember The Doctors talking about losing weight, and saying something like "Just eat ONE candy kiss, not the whole bag. Well, that might work for some people, but not for me. I do much better just not having that one in the first place. 7) You say "It's all about higher protein and lower carbs." Well, OK...isn't that what some of these diet plans are? I guess I'm not seeing the virtue of NOT using a diet plan for guidance, vs just increasing protein and lowering carbs on one's own.

 

[npmommie]

MaryAnn when you thought you were doing Atkins what were you doing wrong? I am also the same, I am better off not having that one choc kiss or handful of chips in the first place.
Oh have you seen the low carb friends forum? Lots of good recipes and ideas
www.lowcarbfriends.com

 

[Magic Mom]

Exactly. 1) They're not fad diets. 2) Not everything works for everyone. 3) You can't say what others can or can't do for a lifetime. 4)

I am one that needs restrictions. And I can add that not everyone has the same body chemistry. I can't just eat smaller portions. If I reduce my calories but still eat carbs, I am continually sick. I am shaky, dizzy, irritable and have horrendous migraines. but if I severely limit carbs and go on a restricted calorie diet, then my stomach might growl from time to time, but I am not physically ill.

I recently lost 25 pounds on what many would call a fad diet. How sad is it that I have to hide the plan from people because they will judge me and say my weight loss isn't as valid because I didn't do it the good old fashoined way. Well, I can't do it that way, so which is worse....my unconventional diet, or the 25 pounds of lard I was carrying around clogging my arteries and wearing on my joints? I have 20 more to lose and I'll do it the way that works for me. If that's not good enough for some people, too bad.

 

[npmommie]

so which is worse....my unconventional diet, or the 25 pounds of lard I was carrying around clogging my arteries and wearing on my joints? I have 20 more to lose and I'll do it the way that works for me. If that's not good enough for some people, too bad.

magic mom that is exactly what Dr. Oz said on the show yesterday about the Dukan diet, he had a panel of experts, who judged it, only one rated it terrible, they basically said that is was best to get the pounds off no matter how you do it, and if low carb high protein works then do it that way, but the most important was to drop the lbs

 

[JessicaR]

I was just reading that Kate Middleton and her mum followed the Dukan diet before the wedding to lose a few pounds. as if Kate needed to even lose 1 pound!!
this one looks very restrictive. not sure I could do it for the long haul.
http://www.dukandiet.com/

Dr Oz had a whole segment on yesterday on the Dukan diet. I am very intrigued. It seems easier than Atkins. It appealed to me and I don't think I would have a problem doing it. The first phase only lasts 7 - 10 days and it gets more and more appealing as you enter each new phase.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

MaryAnn when you thought you were doing Atkins what were you doing wrong? I am also the same, I am better off not having that one choc kiss or handful of chips in the first place.
Oh have you seen the low carb friends forum? Lots of good recipes and ideas
www.lowcarbfriends.com

For one thing, I skimmed through the basics of the program, like 20 net carbs per day for induction, without reading that 12 - 15 of them should be from certain vegetables. And basically focusing on just eating a lot of meat/cheese as long as I was under 20 net carbs, and sometimes really not getting any carbs. And that is so not what it's all about! I ordered the most recent Atkins book ($9 Walmart)...should be here any day...but meanwhile I do think that basically all the info is on the Atkins site. Also, there's a $3 rebate form for the book

there.http://www.atkins.com/AtkinsBook.aspx

I printed out everything I need to know for Induction, and have been reading through and highlighting main points. One of my problems has always been drinking all the water, but this time I'm determined to follow each and every step to the letter, as much as possible. For example, today I bought (Trader Joe's) sugar-free mayo, even tho Hellmans that I have states 0 carbs...it still lists sugar in the ingredients. Even tho it's not enough to register as a carb, how many times a day do I eat something that 0 carbs, but still has sugar in it? Eventually it's going to add up to something, so I'd prefer to be really strict about it at this point. Bacon is like that too. I did find sugar-free bacon, but not nitrite fee...seems to be one or the other. Very frustrating sometimes.

For cookbooks, I have (and love!) 3 George Stella cookbooks. He used to have a show "Low Carb and Loving It". His whole family (he, his wife, two sons) lost hundreds of lbs low carbing. I have the top 3 books on this link (haven't tried anything from the middle one yet):
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...-keywords=george+stella&sprefix=george+stella

And I have popped onto the Low Carb forums, usually when I've googled something and it's led me there, but I do think I'm going to register and really delve into all of this, now that you mention it!

 

[Seahunt]

Last week I started the Dukan diet, my sister picked up the book and lost 3lbs the first day and with only 2 weeks left till vacation I'm willing to try anything. I love, love, love this diet! Im done the first phase which was strictly lean proteins and am now adding good carbs. I've lost 8lbs in the first week and am 1.4lbs from my initial goal weight

I just started the Dukan yesterday and was amazed that I made it through one whole day - so far, so good, because usually when I start a new diet plan I am off it by noon the same day I started

(BTW for Kindle owners, got it thru Amazon Kindle store @ $12.99)

 

[npmommie]

Dr Oz had a whole segment on yesterday on the Dukan diet. I am very intrigued. It seems easier than Atkins. It appealed to me and I don't think I would have a problem doing it. The first phase only lasts 7 - 10 days and it gets more and more appealing as you enter each new phase.

the phases seem appealing as they go along. just getting there may be hard though ( for me )

For one thing, I skimmed through the basics of the program, like 20 net carbs per day for induction, without reading that 12 - 15 of them should be from certain vegetables. And basically focusing on just eating a lot of meat/cheese as long as I was under 20 net carbs, and sometimes really not getting any carbs. And that is so not what it's all about! I ordered the most recent Atkins book ($9 Walmart)...should be here any day...but meanwhile I do think that basically all the info is on the Atkins site. Also, there's a $3 rebate form for the book

there.http://www.atkins.com/AtkinsBook.aspx

I printed out everything I need to know for Induction, and have been reading through and highlighting main points. One of my problems has always been drinking all the water, but this time I'm determined to follow each and every step to the letter, as much as possible. For example, today I bought (Trader Joe's) sugar-free mayo, even tho Hellmans that I have states 0 carbs...it still lists sugar in the ingredients. Even tho it's not enough to register as a carb, how many times a day do I eat something that 0 carbs, but still has sugar in it? Eventually it's going to add up to something, so I'd prefer to be really strict about it at this point. Bacon is like that too. I did find sugar-free bacon, but not nitrite fee...seems to be one or the other. Very frustrating sometimes.

For cookbooks, I have (and love!) 3 George Stella cookbooks. He used to have a show "Low Carb and Loving It". His whole family (he, his wife, two sons) lost hundreds of lbs low carbing. I have the top 3 books on this link (haven't tried anything from the middle one yet):
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...-keywords=george+stella&sprefix=george+stella

And I have popped onto the Low Carb forums, usually when I've googled something and it's led me there, but I do think I'm going to register and really delve into all of this, now that you mention it!

I used to love the George Stella show! I was thinking of getting one of his cookbooks, glad to hear you love them!

I just started the Dukan yesterday and was amazed that I made it through one whole day - so far, so good, because usually when I start a new diet plan I am off it by noon the same day I started

(BTW for Kindle owners, got it thru Amazon Kindle store @ $12.99)

How is it going?
keep us posted,
I am starting next week
too many things on the social calendar til then, and I don't want to screw it up right away!

 

[JessicaR]

I just started the Dukan yesterday and was amazed that I made it through one whole day - so far, so good, because usually when I start a new diet plan I am off it by noon the same day I started

(BTW for Kindle owners, got it thru Amazon Kindle store @ $12.99)

Ohh good we can track your results! Wishing you success. I am going to start Monday and I think my husband is on board too! Can't wait. Going to check it out on Kindle now - thanks.

npmommie - let me know if you start too that will be three of us around the same time.

 

[sbtrfly74]

For anyone that watched Dr. Oz show on the Dukan diet, I do want to mention he gave a very good rundown of the basics of the diet. He left out some important info and mixed up some info that my sister gave me from the book itself. For example its true you need to eat Oatbran everyday, but he said the recipe for the pancake is only eggwhites and oatbran. For anyone interested, here is the actual recipe for the pancake if they would like to try it

1 egg white or 3tbsp 100% egg whites- whisk until fluffy

Mix 2tbsp FF Greek yogurt, 1.5 tbsp 100% oat bran, sweetener (optional, but doesn't make it too sweet)

Stir mixture into egg whites then pour in pan 5 mins each side. Found that not preheating pan does best start on 4-5 med heat until edges start to brown then flip and turn down to 1-2 low heat for the other side.

nutrition breakdown:
Total=
85 calories
0.75 fat
8.375 carbs
10.625 protein

Its actually really good, and can be eaten at any point in the day. To change it up I spread Fat free cream cheese (allowed) on it as well