"That One"

[bicker]

No distortions necessary. The outrage is only because he called Obama on his vote.

No, the outrage is because he didn't say, "Senator Obama voted for it. I voted against it." McCain was perhaps too stressed to think his statement through clearly, and instead his erratic frustration became evident in the wording he used.

We all know that, despite any protestations to the contrary.

I'm sorry that you're having such trouble keeping to the topic if this thread, i.e., McCain's use of the term "that one" to refer to Obama.

 

[Quiksilvr]

Duh...McCain's whole purpose for using "THAT ONE" was to be derogatory, in the context he used last night. Had he used it the way you described, it would not have been derogatory. It isn't the words themselves, but the context in which they were used.

It was still funny!

And for those of you who lament McCain's treatment of foreign dignitaries, I'm guessing most of you have never been in a room with diplomats. Things can get pretty ugly sometimes, although it is admittedly uncommon. "That one" is really not a big deal.

 

[corndog]

No distortions necessary. The outrage is only because he called Obama on his vote. If McCain had said "That one is the smartest man ever born", nobody would have said one word about it. We all know that, despite any protestations to the contrary.

I'm sorry that you're having such trouble keeping to the topic if this thread, i.e., McCain's use of the term "that one" to refer to Obama.

Nice editing. But just because you delete it of your post doesn't mean it still doesn't exist. It appears I made direct comment on the use of "that one" by McCain in reference to Obama. Nice try, as you say.

 

[LakeAriel]

That's just it, I made the point that I don't think McCain would allow that to occur in a different context, e.g., in an interaction with a foreign dignitary.

This was a debate!

If you want to talk disrespect, how about all those Pakistanis that Obama disrespected by saying: "If we know bin Laden is in your country, and you won't do anything about it, we're coming into your country, killing him, and daring you to do something about it." I bet that feels nice... to have someone in another country (a) call you out and (b) threaten to send its military into your country.

Get off your high horse. "That one" was not a big deal. It was funny, get over it. I personally thought the Pakistan comment by Obama was also funny, because I'm pretty sure he wouldn't actually do it. He would need evidence like bin Laden's current mailing address in Karachi and a live video feed of bin Laden eating dinner with the president of Pakistan before he'd actually do anything. He's a lawyer. I'm a lawyer. I know how lawyers think. We hate doing anything without being absolutely, positively, 100% sure of being right or being successful (the two are not necessarily the same). Thus, Obama will never actually send troops into Pakistan to "take out" bin Laden without the approval of the Pakistani government and his "tough talk" is hilarious.

Do you mean like Bush terrorized the Iraqi's for years and then invaded them under false pretenses? Like that? How 'bout those WMD's? How about that mushroom? All approved by John Mc Cain! Now we are threatening to bomb Iran and to music to boot!
Trying to make Obama the hawk is beyond absurd!

 

[bicker]

Get off your high horse. "That one" was not a big deal.

There is no high horse here. "That one" is a big deal. This is the tenor of this election, a product mostly of what McCain's supporters have decided are "big deals". Obama was likely willing to just stick to the issues, but McCain felt the need to go down the path this election is now on.

 

[transparant]

I saw nothing wrong with the "that one" statement. I'd like to know more about the shady past and associations and poor judgement of "that one". After "that one" couldn't even remember the name of the fallen soldier on his bracelet - calling him "that one" to me is polite. After he says our troops fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan are air raiding villages and killing civilians - "that one" is mild. After learning that he associates himself with an unrepentant domestic terrorist - calling him "that one" is not even strong enough.

Some people don't think "that one" is "THE one".

 

[Mr Man]

I do not think McCain meant anything terrible by saying "that one". But, this is just my opinion.

Even if he did mean something bad......uh, so what? Since when did people get so hypersensitive to innocuous words and phrases......

With such thin skin, I can only shudder with horror at how a blowing wind must feel to those so inflicted......life can be cruel.

I will henceforth refer to noone as "that one" for ever more. Does that make us all happy again? Or should I simply wait for the next thing that offends the easily offended.........I'm thinking it cannot be far away......

 

[bicker]

Nice editing. But just because you delete it of your post doesn't mean it still doesn't exist. It appears I made direct comment on the use of "that one" by McCain in reference to Obama. Nice try, as you say.

You conveniently left out the comment of yours that we were dicussing, which didn't have anything to do with the context of the discussion we were having. I'm unwilling to let you try to distract your way out of the issue, so I'll remind you and everyone else what we're talking about.

You wrote: "The outrage is only because he called Obama on his vote."

I wrote: "No, the outrage is because he didn't say, "Senator Obama voted for it. I voted against it." McCain was perhaps too stressed to think his statement through clearly, and instead his erratic frustration became evident in the wording he used."

That's the essential disagreement here. Defend your assertion (in bold) if you wish, or accept that it is invalid.

 

[Jennasis]

I'm of the opinion that if you're going to be on the offensive then do it right...call your opponent a jerk, a weiner, an idiot, a wuss, what have you. Go whole hog! I would LOVE to see a debate littered with 4 letter words like "My Fellow Americans". I'd vote for the first guy to publicly drop the f-bomb.

 

[akhenaten]

I do not think McCain meant anything terrible by saying "that one". But, this is just my opinion.

Even if he did mean something bad......uh, so what? Since when did people get so hypersensitive to innocuous words and phrases......

With such thin skin, I can only shudder with horror at how a blowing wind must feel to those so inflicted......life can be cruel.

I will henceforth refer to noone as "that one" for ever more. Does that make us all happy again? Or should I simply wait for the next thing that offends the easily offended.........I'm thinking it cannot be far away......

perhaps some of us expect better from our "leaders" .....

hmm did you say the say the same to the folks who thought obama was being disrespectful when he called mccain by his NAME ... at the first debate???
were they too thin skinned.....

 

[Feralpeg]

While watching last night's debate, all I could see was a tired man who was just trying to get through the evening. I heard nothing concrete from McCain. Everything was a generality...I can fix it...I've done it before. He just seems to me like a person who is caught up in something that he just wishes would end. I'm sure he is tired. I'm sure they are both tired. Being on their schedules must be extremely grueling. I just found he had no spark...no passion.

I was originally a Hillary supporter. I would rather it be Hillary running, but I believe Obama to be a strong person and his ideas align pretty close to my own. So far, I think he has carried on an honorable campaign. I hope it stays that way. I cannot say the same for McCain. This past week has really turned me off to him. His campaign has stooped to mud-slinging and personal attacks because they have nothing else. Very sad. For John McCain's sake, I'll be happy to see this end. IMHO, his day has passed.

 

[bicker]

I do not think McCain meant anything terrible by saying "that one".

"Meant"? I'm sure he didn't intend to sound disrespectful. I'm positive of it, actually. However, that's really the problem: He was trying to project a polite, Presidential demeanor, and instead slipped and his innate disrespect and inability to control himself came to the surface. I don't have any concern about McCain harboring animosity towards Obama; my concern the lack of character his slip-up revealed.

 

[Twende]

The pointing out of "That one." Did not offend me. In fact I really did not even notice it until after the debate when the media when wild as usual.

DawnCT I enjoyed your link. I think you just might be "THAT ONE" in my book! Can you give us an idea of your platforms?

Having a DisBoard member as President makes more sense to me than some of the other candidates.

 

[akhenaten]

The pointing out of "That one." Did not offend me. In fact I really did not even notice it until after the debate when the media when wild as usual.

DawnCT I enjoyed your link. I think you just might be "THAT ONE" in my book! Can you give us an idea of your platforms?

well i did not need the media to point it out... i heard it immediately... and said to my DH.."what did he say...did he just call obama 'that one' "and i rewound the dvr to hear it again.... I thought it was disgusting....

 

[4cruisin]

I do not think McCain meant anything terrible by saying "that one". But, this is just my opinion.

Even if he did mean something bad......uh, so what? Since when did people get so hypersensitive to innocuous words and phrases......

With such thin skin, I can only shudder with horror at how a blowing wind must feel to those so inflicted......life can be cruel.

I will henceforth refer to noone as "that one" for ever more. Does that make us all happy again? Or should I simply wait for the next thing that offends the easily offended.........I'm thinking it cannot be far away......

I don't think it is a matter of being thin skinned as you say but more about the tone of the campaign. I found it rude of Sen. McCain to refer to Sen. Obama sitting in the same room and pointing to him saying "that one". I think a man of Sen. McCain's position and stature should have more common sense and decorum than to use such terminology.

Yes, life can be cruel. I know that first hand and so does a very dear friend, a 45 y.o, mother of 2 young children, who at this very minute is undergoing surgery for breast cancer. It puts things into perspective.

I started this thread, not as a fluff thread but as a way to discuss certain issues that came out of the debate. I see Sen. McCain and his campaign imploding and I think it is sad. Last night, he looked to me, like a man that knows he is going to lose the election. He also knows that it has been his ambition to become the president for many years and this is his last chance. I feel he is losing his grip and in doing so, losing the respect of many people because of his actions.

As I stated before, I had great respect for him as a man eventhough I did not always agree with his politics. Now, I think maybe the real "McCain" is coming out in bits and pieces.

 

[transparant]

While watching last night's debate, all I could see was a tired man who was just trying to get through the evening. I heard nothing concrete from McCain. Everything was a generality...I can fix it...I've done it before. He just seems to me like a person who is caught up in something that he just wishes would end. I'm sure he is tired. I'm sure they are both tired. Being on their schedules must be extremely grueling. I just found he had no spark...no passion.

I was originally a Hillary supporter. I would rather it be Hillary running, but I believe Obama to be a strong person and his ideas align pretty close to my own. So far, I think he has carried on an honorable campaign. I hope it stays that way. I cannot say the same for McCain. This past week has really turned me off to him. His campaign has stooped to mud-slinging and personal attacks because they have nothing else. Very sad. For John McCain's sake, I'll be happy to see this end. IMHO, his day has passed.

So let me ask you - you are okay with a man who associates with an unrepentant domestic terrorist? You are okay with the fact that he listened to his pastor speak of racism and hatred for our country for 20 yrs? You are okay with a man who says are troops are air raiding and killing civilians? Why is this "mudslinging"? I happen to call it the "truth".

For John McCain's sake you'll be happy to see this end? John McCain doesn't need your pity. He's been through plenty. Last night he did just fine. He was tortured in Vietnam for 5 yrs....getting through a debate with the MOST LIBERAL senator in our country will not tire or weaken him dispite what many of you think or wish.

 

[themarquis]

I'm a big Obama supporter, but I wasn't really offended by McCain's "That One" remark. I think it was one of his many attempts last evening to be "funny" or use "casual language" that fell incredibly flat. That man should stop trying to be "funny" -- it's cringe-worthy and frankly embarrassing.

I do think, however, that if it was anything at all, "That One" may have been part of McCain's consistent pattern of being unwilling or unable to address Obama in a decent, relaxed manner. The refusal to make eye contact, the visible anger seething under the surface, the sneering. I have heard that he "pumps himself up" for a debate by focusing on how much he hates the other candidate, by dehumanizing them. Obama seems to much more easily engage with McCain without acting like a total jerk.

 

[Jennasis]

I'm a big Obama supporter, but I wasn't really offended by McCain's "That One" remark. I think it was one of his many attempts last evening to be "funny" or use "casual language" that fell incredibly flat. That man should stop trying to be "funny" -- it's cringe-worthy and frankly embarrassing.

I do think, however, that if it was anything at all, "That One" may have been part of McCain's consistent pattern of being unwilling or unable to address Obama in a decent, relaxed manner. The refusal to make eye contact, the visible anger seething under the surface, the sneering. I have heard that he "pumps himself up" for a debate by focusing on how much he hates the other candidate, by dehumanizing them. Obama seems to much more easily engage with McCain without acting like a total jerk.

Au contraire! I think John McCain is exceptionally funny. He was one of the funniest guests on SNL when he hosted a while back. However, last night was a not a time for levity and his attempts at humor did fall very flat.

 

[Mr Man]

perhaps some of us expect better from our "leaders" .....

hmm did you say the say the same to the folks who thought obama was being disrespectful when he called mccain by his NAME ... at the first debate???
were they too thin skinned.....

I missed that debate.....heard it on the radio.....missed it in here.....

Look, (you notice that both McCain & Obama like to say this as a preface to a statement......hehe), people can generally say what they want as far as I am concerned. Provided they can back up what they say of course. I find this prevents a lot of whining (which I oppose cuz it just sounds wussy-ish).

"Meant"? I'm sure he didn't intend to sound disrespectful. I'm positive of it, actually. However, that's really the problem: He was trying to project a polite, Presidential demeanor, and instead slipped and his innate disrespect and inability to control himself came to the surface. I don't have any concern about McCain harboring animosity towards Obama; my concern the lack of character his slip-up revealed.

I am impressed that you are able to discern someone's "innate disrespect and inability to control himself" from two words in a boring debate.

I wait with bated breath as you analyze my posts on this message board and correctly diagnose my "innate silliness and inability to control myself".



Me personally, I enjoy the gaffes for what they are.......simple mistakes. There have been a lot of them in this campaign. The Democrats have their fair share too......

 

[akhenaten]

I missed that debate.....heard it on the radio.....missed it in here.....

Look, (you notice that both McCain & Obama like to say this as a preface to a statement......hehe), people can generally say what they want as far as I am concerned. Provided they can back up what they say of course. I find this prevents a lot of whining (which I oppose cuz it just sounds wussy-ish).


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well you should look back on the dis and see all of the whining about obama calling mccain "John"......
if you think this thread is whining....