Teresa Heinz Kerry

[jrydberg]

My strategy is to just ignore most things like that and stick to the important issues. I think most people recognize idiotic comments for what they are, so I let them stand on their own

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by jrydberg
My strategy is to just ignore most things like that and stick to the important issues. I think most people recognize idiotic comments for what they are, so I let them stand on their own

You sound like a very smart person.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
You sound like a very smart person.

As do you.

Anyone making disparaging remarks ends up showing a lot more about their own character than they probably intended, IMO.

Now back to your regularly scheduled political discussion

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by jrydberg
As do you.

Anyone making disparaging remarks ends up showing a lot more about their own character than they probably intended, IMO.

Now back to your regularly scheduled political discussion

This is scary. Nice words from the opposition. See maybe the rest of you all can play nice too.

later..........

 

[jrydberg]

Gah! I must not be feeling well! Must... drink... Kool Aid...

Seriously though, I wouldn't post here if I didn't respect the "opposition"... and I would note that the "opposition" has a lot more in common with me than differences

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
Oh, good heavens. Why don't you just admit you don't like her for one simple fact--she's John Kerry's wife. If you could honestly read the short bio I posted about her, and surmise that she's done nothing more than attend charitable functions, then I would have to surmise that you have a blind spot regarding her accomplishments.

I do not dislike her because she's Kerry's wife, I never said I disliked her at all, that's your conclusion..

I've simply been stating the point that being the chairperson of an endowment doesn't neccessarily make someone a great business person,

and if you read the bio you posted, where does it say she did any work, it just lists awards and boards that she sits on,,

many of those types of awards are given to large contributors, or people who allow their name to be connected to a cause,,as for the honorary doctorates, those are also given for charitable reasons, not for WORK done...

again I do not dislike the woman, just pointing out the way the system works, based on first hand observations..

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
I do not dislike her because she's Kerry's wife, I never said I disliked her at all, that's your conclusion..

I've simply been stating the point that being the chairperson of an endowment doesn't neccessarily make someone a great business person,

and if you read the bio you posted, where does it say she did any work, it just lists awards and boards that she sits on,,

many of those types of awards are given to large contributors, or people who allow their name to be connected to a cause,,as for the honorary doctorates, those are also given for charitable reasons, not for WORK done...

again I do not dislike the woman, just pointing out the way the system works, based on first hand observations..

Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, promote the arts and help women achieve financial economic security. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security....In 2003, Teresa Heinz Kerry received the Women's Leadership Award from the Save the Children organization for her efforts to improve the lives of children throughout the world. In April 2003, she received the World Ecology Award from the International Center for Tropical Ecology at the University of Missouri. In June, she was among the women honored by the Boston YWCA in the Women Achievers' Class of 2003 and the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus presented her with a lifetime achievement award.

I doubt, seriously doubt, you can receive several awards for leadership by "sitting in at charitable functions" despite your apparently vast personal experience that shows you otherwise. I mean, come on. Do you seriously think she'd be, what, pouring coffee down at the Waffle House if she hadn't just happened to be married to Sen. Heinz? You honestly believe, truly now, that it doesn't take some kind of business savvy to create an institute to educate people about pensions, savings, and retirement?

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
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I doubt, seriously doubt, you can receive several awards for leadership by "sitting in at charitable functions" despite your apparently vast personal experience that shows you otherwise. I mean, come on. Do you seriously think she'd be, what, pouring coffee down at the Waffle House if she hadn't just happened to be married to Sen. Heinz? You honestly believe, truly now, that it doesn't take some kind of business savvy to create an institute to educate people about pensions, savings, and retirement? [/B]

do the research and you'll find many people that have recieved leadership awards for being associated with charitable causes rather than by working...

and yes I do believe that a person can create an institute without business savvy..

many people have done great things with nothing more than 1.an idea ,,
2.proper connections{ a few phone calls to the right people to implement the idea} ,,,
and
3.inherited wealth to fund the idea

I believe that makes them creative, maybe even creative geniuses..

but not neccessarilly great businessmen..

we could debate forever,,

I've been close enough to see how it happens in the private sector and in the political arena,


years ago I used to be impressed with people who carried bios such as hers,,after 20+ years ,of seeing people get awards simply because they have money and can contribute to a charity or political campaign, or lend their name to such so that other wealthy people contribute, I am no longer impressed by such bios,

I'm more impressed by the common people who do the work with the charities, and political campaigns, expecting nothing and receiving nothing, but the satisfaction of knowing that they are gving back to their fellow man..

 

[bsears]

You keep saying "many people". If I may I would like to ask so what? Many people can do anythng, that has no bearing on what a particular person does.

Have you actually studies anything about this particular woman you are putting down? Have you heard what the peope who work for her and with her have to say about her committment and efforts? Respectfully, you are so far off base on this one, you are not making any sense at all. Whatever grudge you have against some people who are wealthy you are taking aim at the wrong target with way too may assumptions. And I think it is clear to everyone that you would not be making these assumptions of a Republican.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by MICKEY88


I'm more impressed by the common people who do the work with the charities, and political campaigns, expecting nothing and receiving nothing, but the satisfaction of knowing that they are gving back to their fellow man..

Rich people are people too! I happen to know a few who give out of the goodness of their heart and for the satisfaction of knowing they are giving back to their fellow man. Don't generalize so much.....good people come in all income brackets!

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by bsears
You keep saying "many people". If I may I would like to ask so what? Many people can do anythng, that has no bearing on what a particular person does.

Have you actually studies anything about this particular woman you are putting down? Have you heard what the peope who work for her and with her have to say about her committment and efforts? Respectfully, you are so far off base on this one, you are not making any sense at all. Whatever grudge you have against some people who are wealthy you are taking aim at the wrong target with way too may assumptions. And I think it is clear to everyone that you would not be making these assumptions of a Republican.

I have no grudge against anyone, nor have I put her down, you're trying to read between the lines, and failing miserably,

I have not put her down, I simply stated that her bio doesn't say what she did, it just says what awards and doctorates she was given...

honorary doctorates are most often given to large benefactors of educational institutions, or alumni who have gone on to be famous, that has nothing to do with work done ...

you are the one so far off base....show me a similar bio for a Republican, or any other political party and I'll say the same about it....doctorates and awards that are most often given because of contributions or fame....

I don't doubt that she's a good person, I have no reason to attack her or put her down,

you have made the asumptions...that I don't like her, nor other rich people...

I travel in many circles, I have friends who are blue collar workers and I have friends who are among the wealthiest in the US

twist this post anyway you like, the fact remains I've simply pointed out the way the system works...

as far as Theresa Heinz goes, she can join me for dinner anytime, I'm sure the conversation would be quite stimulating..

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by auntpolly
Rich people are people too! I happen to know a few who give out of the goodness of their heart and for the satisfaction of knowing they are giving back to their fellow man. Don't generalize so much.....good people come in all income brackets!

I didn't say I wasn't impressed by wealthy people that give for the right reasons, I said I was more impressed by the common people..

I like mashed potatos more than french fries...

does that mean I don't like french fries, heck no,, I could eat french fries with every meal........

.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
I didn't say I wasn't impressed by wealthy people that give for the right reasons, I said I was more impressed by the common people..

I like mashed potatos more than french fries...

does that mean I don't like french fries, heck no,, I could eat french fries with every meal........

.

I know a couple of really wealthy people that do things that nobody even knows about -- they don't want it publicized. I just wanted to point out that acts of kindness and generosity are all wonderful no matter where they come from and I'd prefer to look at the individual rather than generalize about them. You don't have to like Teresa. But I don't think you know her well enough to look into her heart and judge the validity or value of her contributions.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by auntpolly
I know a couple of really wealthy people that do things that nobody even knows about -- they don't want it publicized. I just wanted to point out that acts of kindness and generosity are all wonderful no matter where they come from and I'd prefer to look at the individual rather than generalize about them. You don't have to like Teresa. But I don't think you know her well enough to look into her heart and judge the validity or value of her contributions.

why does everyone keep saying I don't like Theresa, I've never said that, I just stated that a bio that lists awards and honorary doctorates, doesn't tell me that a person worked hard or is a brilliant business person...

yes all true acts of generosity are wonderful, but some acts that appear to be generosity are nothing more than payments made for favor or tax breaks...

and before I get flamed again that is not directed at Theresa Heinz,

as I stated before I used to be impressed by a lot of things before I saw the inside workings and behind the scenes deals within the system,

 

[auntpolly]

not flaming -- just discussing

 

[faithinkarma]

I do not dislike her because she's Kerry's wife, I never said I disliked her at all, that's your conclusion..

Respectfully, your own words have made people jump to that conslusion.

Does inheriting your husbands fortune make a person a successful business person..?? ( no, managing them does ) she doesn't even do that, financial advisors do

when you're finished rolling your eyes, read your own post, no where does it say she runs the heinz family business, she merely spends the money in a positive way..{she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies}

and having seen this up close, millionaires who donate very freely are given the type of awards she received , simply because they supported the cause or made a few phone calls to wealthy friends...quite often all they do is allow their name to be used for a fundraising event, and they get some type of award for their efforts,,

if simply attending charitable functions to help raise money is anyones idea of hardwork, or being a brilliant businessman, then she certainly qualifies

Quite frankly the fact that you have generalized most of your criticisms mitigates nothing. The thread is about a specific person after all. It would be a bit of a stretch for the rest of us to think that while you say this that and the other about "people like her" you actually have nothing against her specifically. I am not saying that you do, just that you yourself have given that impression.

 

[William Jefferson Clinton]

I still like her ketchup.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Respectfully, your own words have made people jump to that conslusion. Quite frankly the fact that you have generalized most of your criticisms mitigates nothing. The thread is about a specific person after all. It would be a bit of a stretch for the rest of us to think that while you say this that and the other about "people like her" you actually have nothing against her specifically. I am not saying that you do, just that you yourself have given that impression.

no words can MAKE a person jump, that is something you choose to do..

stating the way the system works doesn't imply a like or dislike for someone........



I've repeatedly said I do not dislike her, if you choose to insist that my explanation of the system implies I dislike her, then you are basically calling me a liar when I state quite clearly that I do not dislike her, do as you like, call me what you want, I refuse to get into that type of discussion....have a great day

oh and while you're online tomorrow evening..I'll be photographing a Kerry ralley, at least I was planning to, but if you are correct and I dislike the kerry's, I would be wasting my time.....???

 

[faithinkarma]

woooooah back up a bit...I was not accusing you of anything. simply trying to explain why others ( you will note that I was not the first or the only one to interpret your posts that way ) were jumping to the conclusion that you disliked the subject of this thread. Sometimnes it does not hurt to stop and take a look at what you have said from other people's perspectives. Sorry that trying to point out to you how you were coming across to others was perceived as an accusation of lying. That was not my intention at all.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
Sometimnes it does not hurt to stop and take a look at what you have said from other people's perspectives.

I try to do this all the time that's why it usually takes me so long to reply