Teacher fired for getting pregnant weeks before marriage

[jodifla]

I sit on the board of the Catholic school that I went to and I can tell you that we would never hire this teacher. Ever!

Guess what! There are other religions besides Catholicism.

 

[Mickey's Minion]

The morality clause is inherent with teaching at a Catholic school. She has no chance to win on this point.

They will settle on the privacy issue.

It is up to the courts to determine what is inherent and what needs to be spelled out in the contract.

Are you the plaintiff or defendant? You know for sure they are going to settle on the privacy issue?

From the clips I have seen, she seems pretty determined to pursue the lawsuit.

Are you sure the school will want to settle? If they settle, then as others have said, the teacher probably won't have to work again AND this particular school will not have to worry about hiring any replacements as they will be broke paying her off.

Why not go to court and pray for God's will?

 

[Heidict]

Her settlement is so large that she never has to work again! Where is Gloria Allred when you need her?

She is to busy giving advise to Tigers and Jesse Jame's assorted sluts. Did you really expect her to do real legal work?

 

[Mickey's Minion]

The morality clause is inherent with teaching at a Catholic school. She has no chance to win on this point.

They will settle on the privacy issue.

I sit on the board of the Catholic school that I went to and I can tell you that we would never hire this teacher. Ever!

This isn't a Catholic School. It is Southland Christian School.

 

[loveadobie]

I sit on the board of the Catholic school that I went to and I can tell you that we would never hire this teacher. Ever!

How pious-

What about compassion and forgiveness?

 

[Heidict]

The morality clause is inherent with teaching at a Catholic school. She has no chance to win on this point.

They will settle on the privacy issue.

So, they are okay with nuns getting pregnant and the assorted molesting that goes on, along with the other sins that can and do happen within a catholic church and school, but no premarital sex, right? Okay.

 

[Hawks4Realz]

It is up to the courts to determine what is inherent and what needs to be spelled out in the contract.

Are you the plaintiff or defendant? You know for sure they are going to settle on the privacy issue?

From the clips I have seen, she seems pretty determined to pursue the lawsuit.

Are you sure the school will want to settle? If they settle, then as others have said, the teacher probably won't have to work again AND this particular school will not have to worry about hiring any replacements as they will be broke paying her off.

Why not go to court and pray for God's will?

Broke? She'll be lucky to get a couple hundred thousand. This isn't a charity case.

God gave man free will, He plays no role in jury verdicts.

 

[Rora]

How pious-

What about compassion and forgiveness?

Exactly..

Remember that old saying from the 90s-- What Would Jesus Do??

Certainly not this..

As a Christian it makes me ill to think about those who call themselves Christians but don't practice love and forgiveness.

 

[jodifla]

I sit on the board of the Catholic school that I went to and I can tell you that we would never hire this teacher. Ever!

I suggest you go through the board and immediately interrogate them about how many have had premarital sex. How many people would that leave on your board?

Yeah, right.

 

[loveadobie]

Exactly..

Remember that old saying from the 90s-- What Would Jesus Do??

Certainly not this..

As a Christian it makes me ill to think about those who call themselves Christians but don't practice love and forgiveness.

For some it is about the law. Not forgiveness and mercy.

 

[Hawks4Realz]

How pious-

What about compassion and forgiveness?

Consequences come first, foregiveness comes later.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

So, do you all think that only catholic schools cover up molestations, etc? Or only catholics earn trust and then molest? You all are sorely naive if so. We just fired a local public school teacher who had been passed from school to school to school with no school having the guts to call them on the string of teenage girls coerced into sex with him.

Or is this just an anti catholic board? talk about haters. You are as bad as those you are calling out.

 

[Hawks4Realz]

I suggest you go through the board and immediately interrogate them about how many have had premarital sex. How many people would that leave on your board?

Yeah, right.

I can only punish what I know.

 

[Hawks4Realz]

So, do you all think that only catholic schools cover up molestations, etc? Or only catholics earn trust and then molest? You all are sorely naive if so. We just fired a local teacher who had been passed from school to school to school with no school having the guts to call them on the string of teenage girls coerced into sex with him.

Or is this just an anti catholic board? talk about haters. You are as bad as those you are calling out.

Don't even respond to the anti-Catholic posts. You don't need to justify those with a response.

 

[Mickey's Minion]

Terminating someone who isn't representing your institution well is not violating the law.

But disclosing privacy information is.

Correct, the reason for termination was not pregnancy. The reason for termination was sex before marriage. That is not a medical condition.

However, the only way they found out about sex before marriage is by asking a medical question - ie: when was your baby conceived. This IS in violation of her privacy.

From HIPAA:

Finally, they must take any measures necessary to see that PHI is not used for making employment or benefits decisions, marketing, or fundraising.


Apparently, according to HIPAA, you cannot use medical information to make employment decisions.

It will be interesting to see how the courts view this. They allegedly asked the question of when the baby was conceived (a medical question) during a medical discussion (asking for Maternity leave) and then used the information garnered during that meeting to make an employment decision, ie: firing her.

Was she fired for violating Christian principles? How was the information collected that she violated Christian principles? And how does disseminating information collected during a medical meeting fall into privacy laws?

It will be a fascinating case to follow.

 

[loveadobie]

Consequences come first, foregiveness comes later.

The consequences from this are like killing a mosquito with a machine gun.

She was engaged, she married the man, she kept the baby. Her only problem is she gave too much information. Frankly, a none of your business, would have sufficed.

I hope for her this is lessons learned.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

I agree 100% that they have the right to fire her for this, and that that right comes from the fact that it's a religious institution. I work in a public school and couldn't (nor would want to) fire a teacher for this, pregnancy comes under the protected class of gender in my situation, but the rules for religious organizations are different. Another example of this is that I couldn't fire a Muslim teacher who converts to Christianity, or vice versa (again, nor would I want to), but a private faith based school could absolutely use this as grounds for termination.

Having said that, it seems ironic to me, given what I understand to be the belief system of most of Christianity that this young woman was fired for premarital sex, even though she then did what many churches teach to be the "right thing" by marrying the guy and continuing the pregnancy, but would likely have kept her job if she'd had an abortion. Makes me wonder about unintended consequences.

 

[NHdisneylover]

So, do you all think that only catholic schools cover up molestations, etc? Or only catholics earn trust and then molest? You all are sorely naive if so. We just fired a local teacher who had been passed from school to school to school with no school having the guts to call them on the string of teenage girls coerced into sex with him.

Or is this just an anti catholic board? talk about haters. You are as bad as those you are calling out.

I agree that there are bad people everywhere and bosses/administrators cover them up everywhere too--I do believe good outweighs the bad as well so there are MANY good people everywhere also). I think this thread is very judgmental, but I also think people are picking up (to some extent) on the hypocrisy involved when a supposedly moral body is part of the cover up.
For what it is worth, my experience (for only one year) at a private Catholic school was fine, and DHs 13 years of private catholic (and Jesuit Catholic) schools were great and he would not trade them for the world. I had a middle school treacher in public school who would put his arm around the girls cup our breasts When I finally got up the nerver to tell and my parents talked to the administration the response was that he enver does anyhting more than that (apparently he had done it for years and it was known) and besides he is dying of cancer so we are not going to upset him, oh and no there is not room in any other classes to move your DD before the end of the semester--just tell her to wear thick sweaters. THAT is an example of a teacher doing harm and it being allowed to happen by the admin, but had the same teacher been having sex outside of marriage none of us kids would have ever known to be harmed unless (unless he came in and told us all--in such a case yes I can see the school caring and telling the parents what happened IN THE CLASSROOM). Anyway, I would never think that means most public schools and public school teachers are molester anymore than I would take whatever examples are in the media now to think most Catholic or Christian school teachers are.

 

[taylor3297]

I know this is a touchy subject but it is hard to decide for me if she should have been fired. Written up for sure. She could have lied but when asked she told the truth.

I keep thinking of this:

John 8:4-11 (New International Version)
4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin

I know in this case the woman had not committed adultery, but pre-marital sex. So many of us say we are Christians but really don't live a Christian life. It seems many of us condemn but do not show the compassion to others when mistakes are made.

Mods if I am out of line in quoting from the Bible to make my point, please delete my post.

 

[luvsJack]

Folks, its not about forgiveness. She was a teacher in a Christian school. I would think (I have never taught in nor attended a Christian school) that the staff of this school are expected to follow Christian morals and values. Its not a judgement upon her, the Bible says premartial sex is wrong and so by Christian values she was wrong. When a person is forgiven it does not mean all is forgotten or that the wrong doing is not still considered wrong. She probably has been forgiven for her sin, but she still broke the rules of her employment.

Of course their board members and other staff members have sinned in some way. Any Christian knows that he/she is a sinner. But what she did obviously broke some rule of the school and she admitted it; that makes it a bit different.

Personally, I think the school was wrong, but their school, their rules. But, otoh, she should have realized what was going to happen when she admitted to getting pregnant before she got married.


BTW, please, do not lump all Christians with "the child molesting priests". All Christians are not Catholics and all Catholics are not like those priests.