Target’s Turn

[Robbie Cottam]

You all realize prosecutors, well there boss the DA or AG are elected,
If you don’t like the job they are doing you have every right to tell them….

If they are not prosecuting thefts, tell them you’re not happy with their job performance ….

 

[Robbie Cottam]

They don't want untrained line workers trying to stop them; that comes with way too much possible worker's comp liability, not to mention how many bystanders might get hurt. Trained personnel whose job it is to manage shrinkage are another thing entirely.

When stores tell workers not to try to stop shoplifters, it has nothing to do with not offending other customers, which is the part that I was calling out as nonsense. The reason that stores set limits on what employees can & cannot do in this regard is purely about legal liability. They do not want to be sued for millions by a customer who got shot because an untrained teenaged employee tried to tackle an armed shoplifter, nor do they want to be on the hook for lifetime medical and financial support for that same employee if he becomes permanently disabled in the confrontation.

Maybe, but maybe not …
However, if the retailers get no support for the local PD, and don’t want to support their employees maybe they should close…

 

[fly girl]

Target has said they are closing a couple stores in each city. For context:
Portland: 3 closing, 15 stores remaining
Seattle: 2 closing, 22 stores remaining
San Francisco: 3 closing, 32 stores remaining
New York City: 1 closing, 96 stores remaining

https://corporate.target.com/press/...es-to-prioritize-team-member-and-guest-safety

Is it really a dramatic rise though or is it just an increase in media coverage?

I know a few people who are completely terrified of going into Chicago despite the fact that crime rates are significantly better now than they were in the 80s/90s when they had no problem visiting that city. They spend way too much time watching cable news channels, to say the least.

I believe there is a rise in this smash and grab crime. Once the opportunity was presented to not face charges, people went for it. When you are locking up toothpaste at the store you know there is an issue. Even my local TJMaxx started locking up the perfumes that are $10-15. They are protecting their business.

Has the media made it all the more dramatic? Of course! Ratings, gotta get those ratings so they sensationalize absolutely everything. But I don't think they are spinning this when there isn't a need to fix a problem.

Ok, I cannot speak for the people you know watching cable news, but the theft increase in stores is on all channels. I do not watch cable news. It is not a slanted, one sided "fake" story.

Chicago, was there last fall and had to walk late night with my daughter from the concert venue to the hotel. It is like any major city, you are going to have crime and bad areas. You just do research and learn not where to go. Just like at home. I know my butt doesn't belong in OTR (Over the Rhine) at dark. You can stay on the main drag with some fabulous restaurants, but wander one block off ... nope.


*edited grammar

 

[NotUrsula]

Maybe Lululemon and Apple Store might consider a little bit of this, at least in Philadelphia.

What is it about that stupid city? It's supposed to be the city of brotherly love, yet they have the most obnoxious fans in sports and their citizens do moronic stuff like this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphi...rtheast-philadelphia-stores-ransacked-looted/

That incident bore off the palm for stupid; at least 50 of them have already been arrested because they hung on to the Apple merchandise -- which *openly* tracks and broadcasts location if it is removed from the store without proper processing. (I say "openly" because not only does it auto-lock, but it displays a screen message that the location of the device is being tracked.) The only things worth stealing from an Apple store are peripherals; everything with a screen immediately bricks itself and sends out a homing signal.

I'm guessing that the real planned targets in this incident were the Footlocker and Lululemon, and the organizer is probably furious that some underling decided it would be a great idea to hit an Apple store as a bonus.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

That incident bore off the palm for stupid; at least 50 of them have already been arrested because they hung on to the Apple merchandise -- which *openly* tracks and broadcasts location if it is removed from the store without proper processing. (I say "openly" because not only does it auto-lock, but it displays a screen message that the location of the device is being tracked.) The only things worth stealing from an Apple store are peripherals; everything with a screen immediately bricks itself and sends out a homing signal.

I'm guessing that the real planned targets in this incident were the Footlocker and Lululemon, and the organizer is probably furious that some underling decided it would be a great idea to hit an Apple store as a bonus.

It will be interesting to see what happens to those accused here….

 

[mom2rtk]

I wonder if the rising cost of everything might have something to do with the rising amount of store theft...

Yes, those iphones sure have gotten expensive.

 

[LuvOrlando]

It will be interesting to see what happens to those accused here….

Is interesting the word, or shocking? so sad

I remember back in the 80s how poor people in our cities, NYC in particular since I am from there, were pleading with big businesses to bring big box stores into their communities to lower prices. The main complaint was that poor people couldn't afford to get to less expensive big stores in the suburbs so they were habitually price gouged by small stores because they were captive. I remember when the big stores first started showing up, it was such a shock to see such lower prices. I remember the big difference in prices, a $3.50 bag or Doritos in a suburban Walmart was $7.00 in a corner store in NYC & everything was like that. Not only will these communities be losing supply chains but they are losing sources of jobs as well. I don't know about anyone else but I am floored that we are literally watching history repeat itself as things devolve back to what the 80s were like. Why on earth no-one is telling these young people they are doing serious harm to their own communities is just beyond me? It all makes zero sense and sadly these poor regions will be bearing the brunt of the consequences. Such a crying shame that so much progress is being undone so quickly.

 

[NotUrsula]

Is interesting the word, or shocking? so sad

I remember back in the 80s how poor people in our cities, NYC in particular since I am from there, were pleading with big businesses to bring big box stores into their communities to lower prices. The main complaint was that poor people couldn't afford to get to less expensive big stores in the suburbs so they were habitually price gouged by small stores because they were captive. I remember when the big stores first started showing up, it was such a shock to see such lower prices. I remember the big difference in prices, a $3.50 bag or Doritos in a suburban Walmart was $7.00 in a corner store in NYC & everything was like that. Not only will these communities be losing supply chains but they are losing sources of jobs as well. I don't know about anyone else but I am floored that we are literally watching history repeat itself as things devolve back to what the 80s were like. Why on earth no-one is telling these young people they are doing serious harm to their own communities is just beyond me? It all makes zero sense and sadly these poor regions will be bearing the brunt of the consequences. Such a crying shame that so much progress is being undone so quickly.

Oh, I have no doubt that someone in authority is telling them, but they really don't care as long as they see the possibility of impressing the Instagram "influencer" who told them it would be a great idea. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...ncouraging-looting-philly-mayor-said/3655312/

Young people will often do anything for "likes", and organized crime is playing them like fiddles.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Is interesting the word, or shocking? so sad

I remember back in the 80s how poor people in our cities, NYC in particular since I am from there, were pleading with big businesses to bring big box stores into their communities to lower prices. The main complaint was that poor people couldn't afford to get to less expensive big stores in the suburbs so they were habitually price gouged by small stores because they were captive. I remember when the big stores first started showing up, it was such a shock to see such lower prices. I remember the big difference in prices, a $3.50 bag or Doritos in a suburban Walmart was $7.00 in a corner store in NYC & everything was like that. Not only will these communities be losing supply chains but they are losing sources of jobs as well. I don't know about anyone else but I am floored that we are literally watching history repeat itself as things devolve back to what the 80s were like. Why on earth no-one is telling these young people they are doing serious harm to their own communities is just beyond me? It all makes zero sense and sadly these poor regions will be bearing the brunt of the consequences. Such a crying shame that so much progress is being undone so quickly.

Interesting, is about all I would be allowed to post here….

But my feeling run along the lines of “try that in a small town” not quite the the point of the line from judge Dreed about expanding excursions for lessor crimes ….

And no I have never lived in a city nor would I ever want to….. and the 80s were over before I was a teen

However, I remember having a paper route to earn money before I was ten….

Getting my first real job at 13…

Working for every single thing I ever got in this world…

Raising a family and putting myself through college, at the same time, making sure my kids got to go to Disney once or twice a year…


But what I can tell you is I have a skill set that prepared me well for most things that life throws at me…..

And I had a good ride all the way…. On my own dime…

So I guess I can’t relate!

Sorry

 

[starlite_]

Yes, those iphones sure have gotten expensive.

I mean. An old iphone is not that expensive and access to a phone is a necessity in this day and age considering you cant even apply to a job without one.

I meant more like the rising costs of groceries and other essentials tho but I get it, you haven't thought about it all that much.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Is interesting the word, or shocking? so sad

I remember back in the 80s how poor people in our cities, NYC in particular since I am from there, were pleading with big businesses to bring big box stores into their communities to lower prices. The main complaint was that poor people couldn't afford to get to less expensive big stores in the suburbs so they were habitually price gouged by small stores because they were captive. I remember when the big stores first started showing up, it was such a shock to see such lower prices. I remember the big difference in prices, a $3.50 bag or Doritos in a suburban Walmart was $7.00 in a corner store in NYC & everything was like that. Not only will these communities be losing supply chains but they are losing sources of jobs as well. I don't know about anyone else but I am floored that we are literally watching history repeat itself as things devolve back to what the 80s were like. Why on earth no-one is telling these young people they are doing serious harm to their own communities is just beyond me? It all makes zero sense and sadly these poor regions will be bearing the brunt of the consequences. Such a crying shame that so much progress is being undone so quickly.

More “food deserts” on the horizon.

 

[mom2rtk]

I mean. An old iphone is not that expensive and access to a phone is a necessity in this day and age considering you cant even apply to a job without one.

I meant more like the rising costs of groceries and other essentials tho but I get it, you haven't thought about it all that much.

So they swarmed the Apple store to steal old phones?

 

[Robbie Cottam]

So they swarmed the Apple store to steal old phones?

You can buy a lot of food with a stolen i phone….. or dr….s

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Target has said they are closing a couple stores in each city. For context:
Portland: 3 closing, 15 stores remaining
Seattle: 2 closing, 22 stores remaining
San Francisco: 3 closing, 32 stores remaining
New York City: 1 closing, 96 stores remaining

https://corporate.target.com/press/...es-to-prioritize-team-member-and-guest-safety

Is it really a dramatic rise though or is it just an increase in media coverage?

I know a few people who are completely terrified of going into Chicago despite the fact that crime rates are significantly better now than they were in the 80s/90s when they had no problem visiting that city. They spend way too much time watching cable news channels, to say the least.

Just to add a bit more context. There are not 96 Target locations in New York City. That number includes the entire state of NY. Interesting that Target’s language in the link you provided referred to the entire state as “the New York City market.”

 

[Imzadi]

Just to add a bit more context. There are not 96 Target locations in New York City. That number includes the entire state of NY. Interesting that Target’s language in the link you provided referred to the entire state as “the New York City market.”

Thank you! And that poster didn't read where I had written:

The one closing is "the only full size, Super Target store we have in Manhattan. . . (There are several "mini Targets" around, that are a quarter of the full size stores.
They are more like 7-Elevens with some clothes and housewares.")

I wouldn't count the mini Targets as real Targets. They are more for the tourists to come in and pick something up that they forgot in their suitcases. The mini Targets never have what I want. I order online instead. The only time I go into them is to pick up a dozen eggs or to return something I bought from Target online.

Once this full sized Target closes down, the next nearest full sized Target, with a nice assortment of food is a $6 subway trip to Queens, Brooklyn or the Bronx, there and back, and an extra 40 minutes each way. Add that $6 onto getting groceries each week and there will be no savings for some people living in the impoverished area where the Target is closing.

 

[Imzadi]

I remember when the big stores first started showing up, it was such a shock to see such lower prices. I remember the big difference in prices, a $3.50 bag or Doritos in a suburban Walmart was $7.00 in a corner store in NYC & everything was like that.

Yes, this is what some people don't get. ONE neighborhood Target gone, especially in an impoverished neighborhood can make such a difference. It's not just $3.50 more for a bag of Doritos at the stores left. It's another $3 on another item. Another $2 on another item, etc. That's also in addition to the inflation that's hitting us all.

I posted this a while back on the food rising costs thread. Large eggs were going for $6.39. I bought the extra large at $6.99. : I snapped a photo as proof.

The price of pork chops finally went down. I got a deal on 2 pork chops for about $4.49 at my local grocery store. That is CHEAP here now. For a while I was paying $8 for TWO pork chops.

At the Targets here, for other stuff, they are able to charge us the regional price of the lower NY and NJ area, not an inflated NYC price. The price of eggs finally went down several weeks ago and I'm now able to get a dozen for $1.90 when they have them in stock. I often go and the shelves are empty as we all are trying to get a dozen.

I am so sad that Rite Aid closed in my neighborhood, as they too used to price things according to the regional prices and we'd get the full 13 page sales flyer each Sunday. Due to all the shoplifting robberies, they have now filed for bankruptcy.

Compare that to CVS, which is still in business here. They charge inflated NYC prices of a couple dollars more per item, and we only have a 4 page sales flyer.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

walmart hast 5 dozen eggs for between 8 and 12 dollars, at the height of the egg crisis I think they were 20… for 5 dozen

we are a large family we eat a lot of eggs

 

[Imzadi]

walmart hast 5 dozen eggs for between 8 and 12 dollars, at the height of the egg crisis I think they were 20… for 5 dozen

we are a large family we eat a lot of eggs

There are NO Walmarts within all of NYC. They are outlawed here. The city officials said they would decimate all the little mom & pop shops ability to stay in business if Walmart is allowed here.

I was actually surprised Target was able to get the mini Targets in the different neighborhoods for the same reason.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

There are NO Walmarts within all of NYC. They are outlawed here. The city officials said they would decimate all the little mom & pop shops ability to stay in business if Walmart is allowed here.

I was actually surprised Target was able to get the mini Targets in the different neighborhoods for the same reason.

not surprising,

i Would say the city officials may have done the residents a dis service

 

[DCLMP]

It will be interesting to see what happens to those accused here….

A slap on the wrist