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skiwee1 said:
I am taking DD who will be in first grade out of school for 3 WDW trips. Our October trip she will miss 6 days. Our December trip she will miss 6 days. Our newly planned May trip she will miss 8 days. So just in WDW alone she will miss 20 days. That doesn't count the 5 days she will miss when we go skiing in February. I warned the principal the other day about our plans and her words were Lucky you! I've always taken my kids out for vacation. At least in elementary school. I found that middle and high school was much harder to miss that many days so we did cut back then.

WOW - you are lucky as that will be 25 unexcused days. Lets hope you don't have to do to many sniffle days or god forbid the flu et al.

Even in our fairly lenient district 25 vacation days would not be approved and I think even my straight A kiddos would have a hard time if they missed 25 days!

Have fun and I will try not to be jealous!
TJ
 
tjmw2727 said:
WOW - you are lucky as that will be 25 unexcused days. Lets hope you don't have to do to many sniffle days or god forbid the flu et al.

Even in our fairly lenient district 25 vacation days would not be approved and I think even my straight A kiddos would have a hard time if they missed 25 days!

Have fun and I will try not to be jealous!
TJ

It isn't unexcused. The teachers will give DD her work and she is allowed to do it. We did this with my other kids when in school and they never had unexcused absences. I guess it depends on the principals. A
 
Melissa said:
I think it depends on how your 5th grader is as a student. We are doing this next May and if my DD wasn't at the top of her class we wouldn't consider it. Also you need to look at the school and their policies. I think we probably won't take dd out of school again b/c as they get in the higher grades it is harder. She is in 3rd grade now. Good luck I hate not to go in the off season so I feel your pain!!
Can I ask you where in Maine you are from? I am from Rochester NH ::MickeyMo
 
When we went in 1999 my son was in 4th grade & we left May 4th. The school was kind enough to give him all his make up work on April vacation (before we left) & he had it all done by the end of April vacation week. I do not know if they do that anymore but it was great at the time. I would'nt worry about kindergarten. Next year we will be going Thurs of our April vacation (last week of April) in NH & staying thru the 1st week of May. At that time I will have a Junior in High school & my youngest son will be in 6th
grade. I will check with both schools to see what they will need to do. I think
missing 5 days is not too bad (as long as they do not have any problem making up the work. Maybe they can get extra credit by bringing some info
home from Epcot or other places. I do not like going during vacation time as the crowds are more than non vacation times. ::MickeyMo
 

skiwee1 said:
It isn't unexcused. The teachers will give DD her work and she is allowed to do it. We did this with my other kids when in school and they never had unexcused absences. I guess it depends on the principals. A

Do you have year round school there?? That may make a difference... :confused3

My kids principal told us (he is a good friend of my husband) that chldren are given 5 days for vacation time. We do not have year round school for our district, other districts around us have it.

Good luck and have fun!!
 
skiwee1 said:
So just in WDW alone she will miss 20 days. That doesn't count the 5 days she will miss when we go skiing in February. I warned the principal the other day about our plans and her words were Lucky you!
In NY State, you are automatically held back if you miss 30 or more days of school regardless of grades. You should find out what your limit is regarding absences to be on the safe side. If your limit is 30 days, you're only allowing your child 5 days of absence and what happens if your child gets a bad case of the flu and is out for more than the time you have left?

Also, in NY State, illegal absences are anything other than illness or death in the family. Vacations are not considered a legal absence.
skiwee1 said:
The teachers will give DD her work
You are fortunate. I will not give students, regardless of grade, work in advance. And, I make that clear on the first day of school. Mainly b/c most of the time, those work packets get lost or get completed in a rush and are done poorly.
skiwee1 said:
We did this with my other kids when in school and they never had unexcused absences. I guess it depends on the principals.
It's not the principals who make up the excused/unexcused absence rules ... it's the state. I hope your principal is correct on the policy otherwise, it might backfire on you. Again, check your student handbook or call the Board of Education and ask them what the absentee policy is. All parents should know what their school's absentee policy is.

Regardless, there are many things learned in the classroom that aren't captured on homework or can be made up. Esp. in the early grades.
 
DZNYMGCFAM said:
Do you have year round school there?? That may make a difference... :confused3

My kids principal told us (he is a good friend of my husband) that chldren are given 5 days for vacation time. We do not have year round school for our district, other districts around us have it.

Good luck and have fun!!


No year round school here. It depends on whether your principal consider it an unexcused absence. They have the ability to do that. Now our middle and high school are not as lax.
 
Daxx said:
In NY State, you are automatically held back if you miss 30 or more days of school regardless of grades. You should find out what your limit is regarding absences to be on the safe side. If your limit is 30 days, you're only allowing your child 5 days of absence and what happens if your child gets a bad case of the flu and is out for more than the time you have left?

Also, in NY State, illegal absences are anything other than illness or death in the family. Vacations are not considered a legal absence.

You are fortunate. I will not give students, regardless of grade, work in advance. And, I make that clear on the first day of school. Mainly b/c most of the time, those work packets get lost or get completed in a rush and are done poorly.

It's not the principals who make up the excused/unexcused absence rules ... it's the state. I hope your principal is correct on the policy otherwise, it might backfire on you. Again, check your student handbook or call the Board of Education and ask them what the absentee policy is. All parents should know what their school's absentee policy is.

Regardless, there are many things learned in the classroom that aren't captured on homework or can be made up. Esp. in the early grades.

Our student handbook states that is the discretion of the principal as to whether they can consider a vacation to be an excused absence. I think I know the rules at this school by now. This is my third child going there. My other two kids are ages 22 and 16. The littlest is 6. Our schools always state that they have the option of holding you back but only do so if you have poor grades to begin with. If you are a good student then you have nothing to worry about. Incidentally I am glad my kids never had a teacher that refused to give my kids work. I'd certainly have to remind them who they work for. Fortunately our principal wouldn't let the teacher refuse to give work missed.
 
skiwee1 said:
Incidentally I am glad my kids never had a teacher that refused to give my kids work. I'd certainly have to remind them who they work for.
As a government employee, let me point out that reminding someone "who you work for" is NEVER a good idea. It's not particularly polite or friendly, and when you're asking for favors, being polite and friendly is pretty important. And it's also ridiculous, since we all work for the public. If you work for Target, or my doctor's office, or Honda, or the phone company, or my insurance company, or anyone else I do business with, you work for me. If someone ever insisted I bend the rules because "you work for me," I can pretty much guarantee you they would get exactly what the rules require them to get. :rolleyes1
 
skiwee1 said:
Incidentally I am glad my kids never had a teacher that refused to give my kids work. I'd certainly have to remind them who they work for.
Ouch! I thought teachers (good ones, anyway) work for the kids they teach, and the best educational interests of those kids! :rolleyes:
 
skiwee1 said:
Our student handbook states that is the discretion of the principal as to whether they can consider a vacation to be an excused absence. I think I know the rules at this school by now. This is my third child going there. My other two kids are ages 22 and 16. The littlest is 6. Our schools always state that they have the option of holding you back but only do so if you have poor grades to begin with. If you are a good student then you have nothing to worry about.
OK -- you don't need to be harsh. I am just looking out for your best interest. I'd hate to see ANY parent go through w/25 days worth of absences for vacations and then find out that they were misinformed on policies. Again -- just making sure that you know the school's policies b/c I'd hate for anything to backfire on you.

Incidentally I am glad my kids never had a teacher that refused to give my kids work. Fortunately our principal wouldn't let the teacher refuse to give work missed.
I never said I wouldn't give work missed. I just won't do it until after they return from vaca. or illness. It's our school's policy that work is made up after vacation, when their minds are focused on school and not on vacation or after an illness when they are up to par. And, as I mentioned earlier, when work is given during vaca. or absences, it turns out that the lesson isn't learned and the work is rushed. My principal and board of education support this. However, I'm not public school -- I'm parochial.

I'd certainly have to remind them who they work for.
Yikes! That hurt! Your teachers work for your child. They look out for your child's best interest and keep that at hand. That means we are concerned about your child and the amount of school they miss. We're concerned about what happens at home, the education they receive in school, that they're ready to move onto the next grade, etc. I go above and beyond my teaching duties for my students ... and you're going to remind me that I work for you!? I'm the one who sees your kids more than you do Mon. thru Fri.! I spend 8 hours a day w/them, 5 days a week. That's a lot of time ... and you best be sure that your teacher gives a hoot about your kid. .

I work in a parochial school in a low-income area and the pay is terrible. The good jobs in the public schools just aren't available and this summer, they're cutting half the teachers in those good schools. So, my shot at getting a well paying job in a nice, cushy public school in the good part of town is not going to happen. Like many teachers, we took the job to help kids have a better life. Sometimes, I think I care more about those kids than their parents do. I care more about those kids than the piddly less than $14,000 and no benefits salary I make. Yeah, pitiful when I'm educating our future. So, please don't tell me that I work for you. I work for my kids, to give them a better shot at life. And, sorry, but less than $14K does not go far in the world today, esp. when I have to provide supplies for my students b/c there just isn't enough money in the school budget to cover them. That money should be going to my DS's needs. I have 11 students and just spent a chunk of money on pots, paints, soil and bulbs so my students can make mothers day gifts. If it weren't for me, these kids would have nothing to give to Mommy. That's money I could have put towards Disney but what matters most to me is not the money spent ... but the delight my students will have when they give Mom their gift. I don't complain about my salary b/c the rewards I reap are more wonderful than money. Knowing that I am a positive influence and am making a difference in a child's life is priceless.

I only posted to cover your back ... to make sure you were definite on the school policies b/c I would hate for any parent to get the shaft from the school. And, unfortunately, I have seen school officials say one thing one day and change the policy the next day. My post was to make sure you were safe w/in the allowed absences of your state and nothing more.

I'm sorry if I offended you ... that was not my intention. You asked for opinions and I gave you mine. My post was to be clear that you should cover your back so you don't get scr*wed in the end.

BTW -- throwing this out as food for thought. If your child's teacher took off 25 days for vaca., would it be acceptable to you parents? Even if the teacher received no pay for those 25 days? Or would you be upset b/c of absences and the interruptions it would bring about in the curriculum w/getting substitutes in? Don't think that my summers are all mine and I do nothing but soak up the sun. I'm still required to attend seminars in the summer and not get paid for doing so! And, often, I have to pay for the seminars out of my own pocket! Also, I do not get paid during the summer.
 
tlbwriter said:
As a government employee, let me point out that reminding someone "who you work for" is NEVER a good idea. It's not particularly polite or friendly, and when you're asking for favors, being polite and friendly is pretty important. And it's also ridiculous, since we all work for the public. If you work for Target, or my doctor's office, or Honda, or the phone company, or my insurance company, or anyone else I do business with, you work for me. If someone ever insisted I bend the rules because "you work for me," I can pretty much guarantee you they would get exactly what the rules require them to get. :rolleyes1

Let me say that if a teacher came to me and refused to give my child make up work after getting it okayed by the principal I couldn't care less what that teacher thought. She would have lost all respect from me at that point. I didn't say I would remind her who she works for at the get go. I was speaking of another poster that said she would never give make up work. I simply stated that I wouldn't put up with that for a second. Being a substitute teacher I am always polite to other teachers. I know what they go through on a daily basis. I also know that none of our teachers could be so cocky as to go over a principals head and refuse to give make up work. That teacher would not last long at that school.
 
DisneyDotty said:
Ouch! I thought teachers (good ones, anyway) work for the kids they teach, and the best educational interests of those kids! :rolleyes:

Well as a substitute myself it is all well and good to think they work for the students. Currently there are teachers striking in our state. That to me says they are working for someone else. Can't blame them either.
 
Daxx said:
OK -- you don't need to be harsh. I am just looking out for your best interest. I'd hate to see ANY parent go through w/25 days worth of absences for vacations and then find out that they were misinformed on policies. Again -- just making sure that you know the school's policies b/c I'd hate for anything to backfire on you.


I never said I wouldn't give work missed. I just won't do it until after they return from vaca. or illness. It's our school's policy that work is made up after vacation, when their minds are focused on school and not on vacation or after an illness when they are up to par. And, as I mentioned earlier, when work is given during vaca. or absences, it turns out that the lesson isn't learned and the work is rushed. My principal and board of education support this. However, I'm not public school -- I'm parochial.


Yikes! That hurt! Your teachers work for your child. They look out for your child's best interest and keep that at hand. That means we are concerned about your child and the amount of school they miss. We're concerned about what happens at home, the education they receive in school, that they're ready to move onto the next grade, etc. I go above and beyond my teaching duties for my students ... and you're going to remind me that I work for you!? I'm the one who sees your kids more than you do Mon. thru Fri.! I spend 8 hours a day w/them, 5 days a week. That's a lot of time ... and you best be sure that your teacher gives a hoot about your kid. .

I work in a parochial school in a low-income area and the pay is terrible. The good jobs in the public schools just aren't available and this summer, they're cutting half the teachers in those good schools. So, my shot at getting a well paying job in a nice, cushy public school in the good part of town is not going to happen. Like many teachers, we took the job to help kids have a better life. Sometimes, I think I care more about those kids than their parents do. I care more about those kids than the piddly less than $14,000 and no benefits salary I make. Yeah, pitiful when I'm educating our future. So, please don't tell me that I work for you. I work for my kids, to give them a better shot at life. And, sorry, but less than $14K does not go far in the world today, esp. when I have to provide supplies for my students b/c there just isn't enough money in the school budget to cover them. That money should be going to my DS's needs. I have 11 students and just spent a chunk of money on pots, paints, soil and bulbs so my students can make mothers day gifts. If it weren't for me, these kids would have nothing to give to Mommy. That's money I could have put towards Disney but what matters most to me is not the money spent ... but the delight my students will have when they give Mom their gift. I don't complain about my salary b/c the rewards I reap are more wonderful than money. Knowing that I am a positive influence and am making a difference in a child's life is priceless.

I only posted to cover your back ... to make sure you were definite on the school policies b/c I would hate for any parent to get the shaft from the school. And, unfortunately, I have seen school officials say one thing one day and change the policy the next day. My post was to make sure you were safe w/in the allowed absences of your state and nothing more.

I'm sorry if I offended you ... that was not my intention. You asked for opinions and I gave you mine. My post was to be clear that you should cover your back so you don't get scr*wed in the end.

BTW -- throwing this out as food for thought. If your child's teacher took off 25 days for vaca., would it be acceptable to you parents? Even if the teacher received no pay for those 25 days? Or would you be upset b/c of absences and the interruptions it would bring about in the curriculum w/getting substitutes in? Don't think that my summers are all mine and I do nothing but soak up the sun. I'm still required to attend seminars in the summer and not get paid for doing so! And, often, I have to pay for the seminars out of my own pocket! Also, I do not get paid during the summer.
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Daxx I am sorry but I did take your post the wrong way! I wasn't trying to be harsh but it seemed as though you would not give work missed for any vacation reason. I appreciate you looking out for me and others. I had my defenses up because there are plenty here that tend to want to blast anyone that lets their child miss school for vacation. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your post and apologize for coming back guns firing!
 
I ususally am all for the parent having the control in this situation, but there is no way I would have my child miss 2 weeks of school at one time, barring a few very special circumsstances. And Disney isn't one of them.

It seems ridiculous to treat school that way. If you don't want to have the school system educate your child, pull them out and do it yourself. Don't undermind them.
 
I would never remove kids from school for 2 weeks. That would be nuts.
 
Thank you for the apology. I appreciated it.

I was speaking of another poster that said she would never give make up work. I simply stated that I wouldn't put up with that for a second
it seemed as though you would not give work missed for any vacation reason.
For all those posters who thought I wouldn't give the work at all, you didn't read the post carefully. As a teacher, I'd have to tell you to go back and reread. My post stated:
You are fortunate. I will not give students, regardless of grade, work in advance. And, I make that clear on the first day of school. Mainly b/c most of the time, those work packets get lost or get completed in a rush and are done poorly.
If you look at the end of the first sentence, you see the words WORK IN ADVANCE. I never stated that I would not give make up work. I stated that I would never give work in advance (while on vacation). When they come back from vaca. they get the work and do it in a "school frame" of mind ... not a vaca frame of mind. No teacher worth his/her salt would withhold work from students once they returned from a trip.
 
I think missing 25 days in one school year for vacations is a bit much. At what point does the principal say enough?

If one family can have 25 vacation days excused, what's to stop other families from asking to have 30 or more days excused?
 
disneyjunkie said:
I think missing 25 days in one school year for vacations is a bit much. At what point does the principal say enough?

If one family can have 25 vacation days excused, what's to stop other families from asking to have 30 or more days excused?

I don't see the harm in it if we are talking about elementary school and the child does well. I think family vacations are more important. I am considering homeschooling because we enjoy vacationing so much. With homeschooling you don't have to ask permission to spend time with family.
 
It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I don't have a problem at all taking my kids out of school for family vacations, either for a couple of days or two weeks (we should be so lucky!). My kids were in upper elementary the first time we went to WDW, and in high school the last time, and didn't miss a beat. They grow up so fast, and before I know it they'll be on their own. I know I'll always remember the times we spent laughing and being together and they will too.

Good luck with your decision.
 
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