Swine Flu News

There's no vaccine, says WHO chief


London - The world's top health official cast doubt on Wednesday over plans to vaccinate millions of people against the "unstoppable" swine flu pandemic, saying immunisations would not be available for months.

The comments by World Health Organisation chief Margaret Chan came as Australia reported a spike in cases and Argentina dramatically upped its toll of those killed by the virus from 94 to 137 over the last three days.

Chan told the Guardian newspaper that a vaccine would not be available for several months, despite statements from health officials in Britain that the first stocks would start arriving in August.

"There's no vaccine. One should be available soon, in August. But having a vaccine available is not the same as having a vaccine that has proven safe," Chan said."Clinical trial data will not be available for another two to three months," she added.

With the global death toll from A(H1N1) now reaching at least 429, WHO director of vaccine research Marie-Paul Kieny had said Monday that a swine flu vaccine should be available as early as September.

Chan's comments cast doubt on plans announced by countries around the world to start vaccinating those most at risk of contracting swine flu as early as next month.

Germany said it envisioned having to order some 25 million doses of a vaccine now under development to immunise nearly a third of its population.

Australia, the Asia-Pacific region's worst-hit country, was bracing to immunise the entire population against swine flu and has already placed an advance order for 21 million courses of a vaccine.

Currently in the southern hemisphere's traditional winter flu season, Australia said its number of cases had risen to over 10 000 and warned that the real number could be much higher.

Meanwhile, Italy predicted it may have to deal with between three and four million cases of swine flu by March 2010, the country's deputy health minister Ferruccio Fazio said.

He added that by the end of this year about 8,6 million Italians would have been vaccinated against the A(H1N1) virus, with the most vulnerable and those working in the emergency services given priority.

Argentina said its death toll rose to 137, making it the worst-hit in terms of fatalities after the United States, which has 211 fatalities and 37 000 confirmed infections according to the latest tally by US health officials.

Mexico, the third worst-hit country with 124 deaths and 12 521 infections according to the latest numbers, said late Tuesday that swine flu cases were picking up in the southeast, especially in Chiapas state near Guatemala.

Health ministers from six South American countries were to meet on Wednesday to seek a coordinated response to fighting the epidemic. Argentina will host the meeting of ministers from Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay.

Elsewhere on the continent, now in its winter season, Ecuador reported the disease has spread to 14 of the country's 24 provinces, with the total number of infections at 264 with three deaths.

And in Peru, about 15 000 doctors called for a nationwide protest on Wednesday to demand better prevention against swine flu, which has claimed at least five lives and infected around 2 000 people there.

"We demand addressing adequately the needs of hospitals in order to prevent further mistakes in the treatment of swine flu and to avoid more deaths," Leoncio Diaz, president of the Peruvian Medical Federation (FMP), told AFP.

A boy died in a Madrid hospital due to a medical error after his mother died from swine flu. She was Spain's first fatality from the disease.


DD and I talked on the phone earlier today and she told me to print out the list of supplies we should stock up on "just in case" - from the CDC site - and we'll each start buying extra stuff every week..

Funny thing is if I thought I was going to get sick, run a temp of 106, fry my brain, and that would be the end of it, I wouldn't be all that concerned.. It's the whole aspect of peoples lungs filling with fluid - basically drowning and/or suffocating to death that frightens me.. I watched my late DH basically suffocate to death - over a period of 6 LONG days and nights - and it was NOT a pleasant sight..:sad1:

Still not in a panic mode here, but the concerns are becoming a little more intrusive..:sad2:
 


DD and I talked on the phone earlier today and she told me to print out the list of supplies we should stock up on "just in case" - from the CDC site - and we'll each start buying extra stuff every week..


C.Ann-That really is the only thing you can do to prevent getting this flu-stay home. Smart to prepare so you have that option.
 
I live in the state that has the most cases ~ wash your hands. :confused3 I think a lot of fear-mongering is going on in this thread and it isn't necessary.

Being isolated in your homes, stockpiling food, pulling your kids from school...do you realize how irrational that sounds?

ETA: My sister is a county health nurse and she is coordinator of their county's epidemic team, so she knows what she's talking about ~ she said a lot of it is over-reaction by people who are flipping out with no reason.
 
I live in the state that has the most cases ~ wash your hands. :confused3 I think a lot of fear-mongering is going on in this thread and it isn't necessary.

Being isolated in your homes, stockpiling food, pulling your kids from school...do you realize how irrational that sounds?

ETA: My sister is a county health nurse and she is coordinator of their county's epidemic team, so she knows what she's talking about ~ she said a lot of it is over-reaction by people who are flipping out with no reason.

Some people need to take more precautions than others and since the media is focusing more on Michael Jackson and less on legitimate health issues, threads like this are helpful to those who need that information.. There's a big difference between "fear mongering" and an "ounce of prevention" (which is "worth a pound of cure")..;)
 

If you are told a Category 5 hurricane is heading your way, what do you do?
If you are told a Category 2 hurricane is coming your way, do you go play out in the streets?

No - in both instances you prepare for them to the best of your abilities.

There is fearmongering and there is preparing.

All I will do is give you the facts. You make your own decisions.


C.Ann, best of luck to you. I wish I could give you some information that would help, but I've got nothing that Tinijocaro hasn't already offered.
 
C.Ann, best of luck to you. I wish I could give you some information that would help, but I've got nothing that Tinijocaro hasn't already offered.

Thanks - and thanks to both of you for posting what info you come across..

We can only do "so" much - but in order to do anything, the lines of communication have to stay open..:thumbsup2
 
When I was going on a transatlantic cruise (Cunard) a few weeks ago you had to fill out a form about your recent health. I was happy to see them at least making an effort.

Flying home from Europe there was no checking at all. The woman next to me coughed the entire flight.
I have been home sick since I returned....for 4 days I couldn't break a 103 fever, body pain, headache, cough, headache, etc.

I remember a few years ago when the bird flu was the fear the airport in Canada took screening very seriously on the stop over to Alaska.
 
I live in the state that has the most cases ~ wash your hands. :confused3 I think a lot of fear-mongering is going on in this thread and it isn't necessary.

Being isolated in your homes, stockpiling food, pulling your kids from school...do you realize how irrational that sounds?

ETA: My sister is a county health nurse and she is coordinator of their county's epidemic team, so she knows what she's talking about ~ she said a lot of it is over-reaction by people who are flipping out with no reason.

Does your sister know for a fact that this is going to go away in the fall? Know one knows which way this is going to go-that's why you prepare-in case it gets worse.

While washing your hands will help, this virus is also airborne. Is wearing a mask any more irrational than washing your hands?

You and your sister may want to check out our government's new website with swine flu information- lots of information for families on how to prepare. http://www.flu.gov/plan/individual/index.html. The WHO and cdc also have similar recommendations. Of course we all hope and realize that this could all go away and we won't need to use our preps, but at least we were ready for the worst. I'd never be able to live with myself if I didn't do all that I could to keep my family safe during what could be a very dangerous time. I don't think buying extra food is "flipping out", nor is having a plan for whether or not your children will go to school if things get bad, nor is staying home to avoid the virus.

The thread is titled "Swine flu news" and that is what you are getting here. If the news is that the swine flu has gone away, then that will be posted, but so far I haven't seen that. It's real, it's out there, it is becoming Tamiflu-resistant, there are clusters happening, there are healthy, young people dying of flu (and pneumonia and kidney failure) in the middle of summer. This is all true, no fear-mongering. It could all go away and I'm sure we all hope that happens.
 
Does your sister know for a fact that this is going to go away in the fall? Know one knows which way this is going to go-that's why you prepare-in case it gets worse.

While washing your hands will help, this virus is also airborne. Is wearing a mask any more irrational than washing your hands?

You and your sister may want to check out our government's new website with swine flu information- lots of information for families on how to prepare. http://www.flu.gov/plan/individual/index.html. The WHO and cdc also have similar recommendations. Of course we all hope and realize that this could all go away and we won't need to use our preps, but at least we were ready for the worst. I'd never be able to live with myself if I didn't do all that I could to keep my family safe during what could be a very dangerous time. I don't think buying extra food is "flipping out", nor is having a plan for whether or not your children will go to school if things get bad, nor is staying home to avoid the virus.

The thread is titled "Swine flu news" and that is what you are getting here. If the news is that the swine flu has gone away, then that will be posted, but so far I haven't seen that. It's real, it's out there, it is becoming Tamiflu-resistant, there are clusters happening, there are healthy, young people dying of flu (and pneumonia and kidney failure) in the middle of summer. This is all true, no fear-mongering. It could all go away and I'm sure we all hope that happens.


:lmao::lmao:My sister helped write some of the info on that webpage, so I'm sure she's familiar with the material. :lmao::lmao:
 
I think if you had a severe underlying health condition, your attitude might change a bit.. If you had a life-threatening allergy to peanut butter, would you sit down and eat a jar of it? :eek:
Your analogy doesn't work.

A better would be this: If you had a life-threatening allergy to peanuts, would you sit down in a cafeteria where people were eating granola? Many people would. Some wouldn't.

Those that would sit down in that cafeteria would not be dooming themselves. They would be taking what to them is an acceptible risk. Similarly, those who choose to live their lives as normally as possible and merely make sure that they frequently sanitize their hands and avoid those who are obviously sick are making a perfectly valid, rational decision.
 
Speaking as an Australian -

Yes it is acknowledged by government that swine flu will be the dominant flu this season rather than the 'regular flu'. There are 11,000 confirmed cases with 24 deaths, 200 hospitalisations including 74 in ICU.

Most of hte hospitalisations and deaths have been correlated with underlying conditions - heart disease, obesity, cancer, lung disease.

The worry is for pregnant patients as there are a few in ICU or having to deliver babies early. Pregant patients are advised to go to GP as soon as they get any symptoms for Tamiflu
 
Thanks for the update from Australia. Here is an article concerning the 11 pregnant women who are wither in ICU or on breathing machines.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/16/2627934.htm

Swine flu warning for pregnant women

By Di Bain for The World Today

The World Today | abc.net.au/worldtoday

Posted 1 hour 32 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 33 minutes ago

Obstetricians are urging pregnant women to stay home and even bring forward their maternity leave plans to avoid catching swine flu.

The deadly virus is rapidly spreading in Australia and 11 pregnant women are fighting for their lives or in intensive care, while hospital emergency departments struggle to keep up.

As the number of confirmed swine flu cases in Australia marches beyond 10,000, pregnant women are beginning to present at emergency wards.

It is understood that in Victoria, the state which has had the most swine flu related deaths, two women were fighting for their lives in intensive care units last night after giving birth.

The situation in New South Wales is worse - Jeremy McAnulty from the New South Wales Health Service, says doctors are being extra cautious when pregnant women suffer flu-like symptoms.

"My understanding is that there are five in intensive care and four on life support in western Sydney at the moment," he said.

"Of course it is concerning when people are in intensive care, but I guess we have known from seasonal influenza, even before human swine flu, that influenza can be quite a severe illness in pregnant women, particularly in second and third trimesters.

"It's probably related to their immunity changes and their whole system is being overloaded by the pregnancy, and when influenza is on top of that it, can have a big effect on their system and their health."

'Stay at home'

Professor Brian Trudinger from Westmead Hospital in Sydney says staff are trying to manage two pregnant women with swine flu who are in intensive care.

He says most pregnant women in general will not get sick but they should be vigilant because swine flu is much more virulent than the normal flu.

"It's dangerous because ... in pregnancy your body does much more work," he said.

"In other words, things like heart output is increased and blood flow to various organs is increased, blood flow to the placenta is increased and so on, and so if you get a febrile illness on top of that, your body also has to do more work because of the febrile illness.

"So you get one load on top of another load and so you become particularly unwell."

Professor Trudinger says pregnant women should avoid contact with others.

"The message obviously for someone who is pregnant is 'keep away from people'. Send your husband off to do the shopping," he said.

"We're going through a time of troubles and so it's a matter of being careful over the whole of the winter, really.

"It's going to be short-lived, there'll be a vaccine around the corner in due course and we'll cope better with a greater resistance in the community, but for the time being, don't put yourself at risk."

Maternity leave

Ted Weaver from the Royal Australian College of Obstetricians says staying home is a good idea and he is even suggesting women bring forward their maternity leave.

"I think that people should restrict travel, people should restrict contact with others, certainly if they know of their friends or relatives who've got a flu-like illness, they should stay away from them, and I think that sort of self quarantine is quite sensible," he said.

"I think they need to be careful when they're out, I think they need to be really scrupulous with personal hygiene, they need to make sure they keep their bedding and what not well turned over so there's clean sheets, clean linen, clean towels, wash their handkerchiefs regularly and just adopt very scrupulous personal hygiene measures.

"And [they should] stay away from crowded places as much as they can. That's not to say that they have to completely quarantine themselves, but certainly I think that if they don't have to go out then that's a reasonably sensible option."

He says he thinks it is a good idea for women to bring forward their maternity leave if they can.

"It would have to be I suppose a woman's estimation of her risk. I mean, if she's working for instance in a wholly public place where she has lots of contact with different members of the public, that may be a reasonable option," he said.

"That would have to be taken in consolation with her employer but I think in the end that may be a sensible thing."

However some women say staying at home or taking maternity leave early is not practical.

Catherine Ramsbottom is 20 weeks pregnant and she is caring for three young children.

"To me that's just completely impractical to say that to people," she said.

"How can I stay home for that length of time? I won't be locking myself at home to try and escape getting swine flu.

"I'll be steering clear of people who are known to be ill so that they're not passing on any germs to me as much as I can."
 
Fight for swine flu vaccine among nations could get ugly

Thursday July 16
by MARIA CHENG, AP Medical Writer

LONDON (AP) — An ugly scramble is brewing over the swine flu vaccine — and when it becomes available, Britain, the United States and other nations could find that the contracts they signed with pharmaceutical companies are easily broken.

Experts warn that during a global epidemic, which the world is in now, governments may be under tremendous pressure to protect their own citizens first before allowing companies to ship doses of vaccine out of the country.

That does not bode well for many countries, including the United States, which makes only 20 percent of the flu vaccines it uses, or Britain, where all of its flu vaccines are produced abroad.

"This isn't rocket science," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "If there is severe disease, countries will want to hang onto the vaccine for their own citizens."

Experts say politicians would not be able to withstand the pressure.

"The consequences of shipping vaccine to another country when your own people don't have it would be devastating," added David Fedson, a retired vaccine industry executive.

About 70 percent of the world's flu vaccines are made in Europe, and only a handful of countries are self-sufficient in vaccines. The U.S. has limited flu vaccine facilities, and because factories can't be built overnight, there is no quick fix to boost vaccine supplies.

Last week, the World Health Organization reported nearly 95,000 cases of swine flu including 429 deaths worldwide. If swine flu turns deadlier in the winter, the main flu season in the Northern Hemisphere, countries will likely be clamoring for any available vaccines.

"Pandemic vaccine will be a valuable and scarce resource, like oil or food during a famine," said David Fidler, a professor of law at Indiana University who has consulted for WHO. "We've seen how countries behave in those situations, and it's not encouraging."

Britain claims it will start vaccinating people in August, Italy says it will begin by the end of the year, and many other countries have similar strategies. Those mass vaccination plans could be derailed by problems making the vaccine and by other countries' refusal to ship it abroad.

If the virus remains mild, this could all be moot. Experts estimate swine flu to be about as dangerous as seasonal flu, and there usually isn't a high demand for those vaccines. Still, regular flu kills up to 500,000 people a year.

In past pandemics, or global epidemics, vaccines were never exported before the country that produced them got enough for its own population first.

Unlike the last two pandemics in 1957 and 1968, however, many more countries this time around have struck deals with companies which they say guarantees them first access to vaccine. Yet in a global health emergency, those contracts may ultimately be meaningless.

Countries with flu vaccine plants might decide to seize all vaccines and ban their export, thus breaking the pharmaceutical contracts promising other countries vaccine supplies. These private contracts are not binding international law between two countries, according to Fidler.

He said most vaccine contracts include a clause allowing them to be broken under extraordinary circumstances, such as a health emergency. That would leave the countries who had brokered such deals not only without vaccine, but without legal recourse.

"There's nothing in international law that helps you resolve this, it's just a political nightmare happening in the midst of an epidemiological nightmare," Fidler said.

Britain has ordered 60 million doses, enough to cover its entire population. But those doses are being manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline PLC and Baxter International Inc., whose production plants are in Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. Neither Britain's department of health or the vaccine manufacturers would comment on delivery plans.

Osterholm said about 80 percent of the United States' pandemic vaccine supply will be coming from abroad and he is very concerned about when it might arrive. Timing could be everything to avoid a vaccine spat.

"It's easy to move vaccine around if the disease is relatively mild. But if it is more severe, countries may not be willing to let it go," he said.

So far, swine flu remains a relatively mild disease, and most people don't need medical treatment to get better. But experts fear the virus could mutate into a more dangerous form. And during the flu season, when the virus spreads more easily, more people will probably fall sick and die.

Public health officials are aware that so-called "vaccine wars" might break out if the swine flu outbreak worsens, but are loathe to even discuss the topic.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, an agency of the European Union, said it had no mandate to advise countries in such circumstances. WHO said it was not aware of any countries planning to block the shipment of vaccines and said they would work to ensure all countries get enough doses to protect their health workers.

Questions also remain about when a swine flu vaccine will even be available, as WHO reported this week that a fully licensed vaccine might not be ready until the end of the year.

With little or no safety data about a swine flu vaccine, governments that are planning to roll out mass campaigns are taking a gamble, since any rare side effects won't show up until millions of people start getting the shots.

Experts say government promises about when vaccines will arrive should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

"Many pieces of the puzzle are missing," Osterholm said. "Anyone who pretends to have a well-defined schedule of vaccine delivery is obviously very poorly informed."

http://www.katu.com/internal?st=print&id=50951347&path=/news/medicalalert
 
I still see people on a daily, or every-other-day basis going into public restrooms and NOT WASHING THEIR FREAKIN' HANDS!!! And most places in our town now have germ-x attached to the wall as you're walking out of the restroom. So all you have to do is take a split of a split second of your "busy lifestyle" to suirt your hands and go on. Still....NOTHING! :confused::sad2:
 
I still see people on a daily, or every-other-day basis going into public restrooms and NOT WASHING THEIR FREAKIN' HANDS!!! And most places in our town now have germ-x attached to the wall as you're walking out of the restroom. So all you have to do is take a split of a split second of your "busy lifestyle" to suirt your hands and go on. Still....NOTHING! :confused::sad2:

When you stop and think about all the things we touch on a daily basis and then think about how many people do not wash their hands-it's just gross.

I'm a music teacher (strings) and I constantly have to touch my students hands and fingers to shape them correctly on the instrument-no other way to teach them well. I'm going to be very strict in the fall about having all students wash hands before their lesson and after each sneeze, every time they touch their noses or mouth. Kids constantly have their fingers in their mouth.
 
When you stop and think about all the things we touch on a daily basis and then think about how many people do not wash their hands-it's just gross.

I'm a music teacher (strings) and I constantly have to touch my students hands and fingers to shape them correctly on the instrument-no other way to teach them well. I'm going to be very strict in the fall about having all students wash hands before their lesson and after each sneeze, every time they touch their noses or mouth. Kids constantly have their fingers in their mouth.

You have to take that precaution.....
We all need to be safe & wash, wash, wash your hands.
 
Your analogy doesn't work.

A better would be this: If you had a life-threatening allergy to peanuts, would you sit down in a cafeteria where people were eating granola? Many people would. Some wouldn't.

Those that would sit down in that cafeteria would not be dooming themselves. They would be taking what to them is an acceptible risk. Similarly, those who choose to live their lives as normally as possible and merely make sure that they frequently sanitize their hands and avoid those who are obviously sick are making a perfectly valid, rational decision.

The bottom line is that everyone needs to do what is best for them - and in order to do that, they have to have the most current information.. That's why I find this thread helpful.. I don't consider sharing information "fear mongering" - in any way, shape, or form - but then again, that's just "my" opinion..:goodvibes

 
www.trancy.net

July 17: Legal immunity set for swine flue vaccine makers
Automatically added to News @ July 17th, 2009

source: The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off.

Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday.





July 18: US (US): Swine flu to “erupt as soon as schools open”
Automatically added to News @ July 18th, 2009

source: The swine flu will probably return in force earlier than seasonal flu usually begins, federal health officials predicted Friday, saying they expected it to erupt as soon as schools open rather than in October or November.
 
Thank you for posting that site. I'm finding the lack of coverage from the media frustrating...odd since when it first hit it was swine flu 24/7 on the news.
As someone with asthma and autoimmune disease, I am pretty concerned and trying to keep an eye on developments.
 







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