Survivor 20**HvV**No SPOILER THREAD**

Once Russell gets over the shock of realizing that he isn't calling the shots the way his ego let him believe, he will realize that Parvati saved his butt last night. If she had done what he called for and played the idol for herself, Jerri would have been voted off and Russell would have been exposed to the Heroes as a liar. With the majority, they would have been free to vote Russell and Parvati off next. So, he will have to swallow his pride and try to stick with Parvati to the final 3.
 
Once Russell gets over the shock of realizing that he isn't calling the shots the way his ego let him believe, he will realize that Parvati saved his butt last night. If she had done what he called for and played the idol for herself, Jerri would have been voted off and Russell would have been exposed to the Heroes as a liar. With the majority, they would have been free to vote Russell and Parvati off next. So, he will have to swallow his pride and try to stick with Parvati to the final 3.

::yes::
 
I have to agree with the PP that said they are grudgingly starting to like Parvarti. How can you not at least respect her game after that? Wow! I see no one that can match her gameplay though. Sondra, maybe the social side of it but no way on the physical side. Then Amanda and Candice could physically give her a run for her money but are about as interesting as watching paint dry and are no match for her social game. Really why is Candice there? Geez she has to be the most boring person ever on this show. Who just "gives up" immunity for ZERO reason? :crazy:

Best season ever! Love it.
 
I have to agree with the PP that said they are grudgingly starting to like Parvarti. How can you not at least respect her game after that? Wow! I see no one that can match her gameplay though. Sondra, maybe the social side of it but no way on the physical side. Then Amanda and Candice could physically give her a run for her money but are about as interesting as watching paint dry and are no match for her social game. Really why is Candice there? Geez she has to be the most boring person ever on this show. Who just "gives up" immunity for ZERO reason? :crazy:

Best season ever! Love it.

Candice is so booooring I agree.
 

I thought I would post Jeff's thoughts on Survivor:Samoa after reading through all the posts yesterday about Russell. The only thing I did not include was stuff at the end about the current season which said nothing.

Okay, now that the show is officially over I’m going to take off my hosting and producing hat and just give you my personal reaction to what went down last night.

I think Russell was the victim of a jury of bitter people. I am not taking anything away from Natalie, she clearly did a great job of reading the group dynamic of the jury and as a result she deserves the money.

Oftentimes on Survivor, the vote does come down to a choice where a determining factor is “how nice someone is” but that’s usually when all other criteria being considered is equal. That doesn’t hold up this season. This season was so lopsided in terms of one person (Russell) completely dominating the game that to not give him the money and the title is a bit silly.

If I were playing Survivor, no matter how much I despised someone, if they kicked my *** in the game I would give it to them. Period. Outwit. Outplay. Nobody outwitted or outplayed Russell. Not even close.

I was a bit surprised at Erik’s nod to Natalie during the final tribal council. I think he certainly helped Natalie and definitely hurt Russell. I also think that when Erik watches this season again in a few years he will regret not giving his vote to Russell. Erik is the kind of guy who I thought would respect a player like Russell. I think Erik was still smarting from the whole Galu disaster.

I do not believe the jury voted for Natalie, I believe the jury voted against Russell.

Russell was clearly upset last night and I think a lot of people understand why that would be. He played a very risky and creative game and he wanted to be acknowledged. As for the audience, they spoke quite loudly when they awarded him the $100,000 from Sprint by an overwhelming 46% Russell to 10% Shambo… and 7% Natalie. Not even close. I put myself in that same group. Again, I’m speaking as a fan, not as a host or a producer.

But hey this is how it goes, it’s why Survivor is so fun to watch, you can never predict the outcome. So…

A FEW QUESTIONS…
Q. Can you be considered the greatest player ever if you don’t win? Hmmm. It’s a tough question for me. On one hand, it’s a no-brainer, absolutely not. Survivor is a social game and to win you have to vote people out in a way that compels them to return and vote for you to win the game. It’s extremely complicated and Russell did not achieve it, therefore he cannot be considered the greatest player to ever play. On the other hand, I can’t think of anybody who has ever played a game like Russell played. It was so dominating that I am still shaking my head that he didn’t win. The only guy I could even see having the talent and guts to do something equally dominating would be Boston Rob. So I am on the fence on this one. But this much I am certain of – Russell is without any question ONE of the greats. No doubt about it.


Q. Did Natalie play a better game than Russell? For me, that’s a bit easier to answer. I do not think that Natalie played a better game, but rather was the right person in the right position who made one very good strategic move and that was to stay out of Russell’s way, and as a result she ended up with the money. But to be fair – a very good counter argument is that Natalie used her strengths, avoided her weaknesses and by taking this active approach to the game, she put herself in position to win the money and it paid off. It’s a counter argument, but not one that I’m that fond of supporting.

Q. Was this a great season or a lame season? For me, this is another easy question. Survivor: Samoa will rank as one of my favorite seasons and for one reason: Russell Hantz. He single handedly kept this show interesting week after week after week. But I know some will argue that because it was “The Russell Season” it lacked having more big characters and therefore does not rank as high. This is one that will be debated by Survivor fans for years to come.
 
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I am so disappointed that JT got sent home. But I gotta hand it to those villians. That was a seriously phenomenal move.
Looks like Russell is going to be angry though, hopefully it's his time to go home next week.
 
Has anyone been able to watch the videos of the secret clips or Ponderosa lately? I was able to watch the one with Rupert talking about smoking banana leaves that's it. All of the others give me a message saying "The video that you have requested is unavailable or may have expired".

I tried with both Firefox and IE. :confused3

Never mind. It looks like CBS has fixed some of the links but I'm still not able to watch Ponderosa JT part 1
 
Has anyone been able to watch the videos of the secret clips or Ponderosa lately? I was able to watch the one with Rupert talking about smoking banana leaves that's it. All of the others give me a message saying "The video that you have requested is unavailable or may have expired".

I tried with both Firefox and IE. :confused3

Never mind. It looks like CBS has fixed some of the links but I'm still not able to watch Ponderosa JT part 1

You shouldn't be able to see a Ponderosa clip of Rupert because he is still in the game.
 
So I finally got around to watching our tivo'd Survivor from lst week. All you Russell lovers can stuff it...PArvati is the true mastermind. THAT was a move. I just about fell off the couch.

Long live the Queen.

Still hope she and Russell both lose though...hehehehe.
 
So I finally got around to watching our tivo'd Survivor from lst week. All you Russell lovers can stuff it...PArvati is the true mastermind. THAT was a move. I just about fell off the couch.

Long live the Queen.

Still hope she and Russell both lose though...hehehehe.

She is a good competitor. If Russell would wake up but it may be too late. Wonder what his wife thinks about his infatuation with Parvati.
 
So I finally got around to watching our tivo'd Survivor from lst week. All you Russell lovers can stuff it...PArvati is the true mastermind. THAT was a move. I just about fell off the couch.

Long live the Queen.

Still hope she and Russell both lose though...hehehehe.

Indeed, she is in charge and she knows, just by watching the secret footage videos. She got Russ good too, his ego was crushed :rolleyes1

I ♥ Sandra :thumbsup2
 
You shouldn't be able to see a Ponderosa clip of Rupert because he is still in the game.

It's not a clip of him at Ponderosa but a "secret clip" where he talks about smoking banana leaf cigars. There are other videos as well where they're talking to the contestants still in the game but the clip didn't make it on tv.

I've been having problems watching some of these as well as some of the ones from Ponderosa.
 
So I finally got around to watching our tivo'd Survivor from lst week. All you Russell lovers can stuff it...PArvati is the true mastermind. THAT was a move. I just about fell off the couch.

Long live the Queen.

Still hope she and Russell both lose though...hehehehe.

I'm still hoping to see her get knocked down a peg or two. Preferably, by Russell (as I am a "Russell lover") but I doubt that'll happen! Right now she has him wrapped around her little finger. Pretty sure his light will go on after it's too late.

I can't say it enough. Best season ever! I don't know how they're going to top this!
 














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