Survivor 20**HvV**No SPOILER THREAD**

I agree but at the end of the game the votes are what it makes all the difference, without the votes.... well.
Russ does all that and he is great, he makes a good show, but his ego does not let him see the reality, he thinks that since he is the best, he is better than everybody else, the jury should see that too and just vote for him. Just like before if he doesn't win is because of that, his ego.
 
What has Sandra done?
What has Jerri done?

Colby has helped his team win a couple of challenges. So has Rupert.

Jerri has done nothing in my mind. Last night's vote switch was a start for her.

Sandra has done a little more but not much. She's interesting to me because everyone is always talking about Russell's lack of social game. It's true that is his weakness. But Sandra has no physical game. Has there been a challenge that she hasn't sucked at?

Neither Colby or Rupert has dominated challenges. They have been on winning teams at times.

If the final vote was done after last night's episode, I'd still say only Parvati and Russell deserve to win.
 

I always love reading Jeff's blog. He always hits the nail right on the head.

I can't wait until the final. I hope that we hear what all the players think about Russell after seeing him in action during his season.

Thanks for posting the blog.
 
I think you're right on the 1st part. :rotfl2:

The 2nd part, I don't agree with. If that were true, he'd have won last season, and he'd win this season. If he does win this season, I'll concede.


Your right, he hasn't outlasted everyone but I think that is where the bitterness comes in.
 
Jerri has done nothing in my mind. Last night's vote switch was a start for her.

Sandra has done a little more but not much. She's interesting to me because everyone is always talking about Russell's lack of social game. It's true that is his weakness. But Sandra has no physical game. Has there been a challenge that she hasn't sucked at?

Neither Colby or Rupert has dominated challenges. They have been on winning teams at times.

If the final vote was done after last night's episode, I'd still say only Parvati and Russell deserve to win.


I agree. :thumbsup2
 
Jerri has done nothing in my mind. Last night's vote switch was a start for her.

Sandra has done a little more but not much. She's interesting to me because everyone is always talking about Russell's lack of social game. It's true that is his weakness. But Sandra has no physical game. Has there been a challenge that she hasn't sucked at?

Neither Colby or Rupert has dominated challenges. They have been on winning teams at times.

If the final vote was done after last night's episode, I'd still say only Parvati and Russell deserve to win.

If is just them 2 well the jury has to pick one, they would probably vote for Russ because they hate Parv, but if they go with someone else that is left, anyone, that would be hard for them to get votes.
 
Have ya'll seen the video where Russ talks about the girls Flirting with Colby, its funny, Russ is jealous of Colby and he thinks that he is sexy too, he has a hat like colby.
 
He does know how to outwit everyone that is for sure. Anyone who can find immunity idol after immunity idol, knows how to play the game.....


I've lost count. How many idols has Russell found this season?

I don't agree that he's outwitting everyone, I think that he's bullying them. There's a difference.

Had Russell not won the immunity challenge, I think that he would have been gone last night. He just doesn't get that the social game is probably the most important part of the game. This session was shot so close to the last one that he didn't have a chance to see know the results before starting this one. He was sure that he had won his first game so he's playing this one the same way. In his mind, he's probably thinking that he will be the first contestant to win back to back season. My bet is that if he makes it to the end in this one, he doesn't stand a chance in getting any votes from the jury.
 
I think you're right on the 1st part. :rotfl2:

The 2nd part, I don't agree with. If that were true, he'd have won last season, and he'd win this season. If he does win this season, I'll concede.

I just found this thread.. but here's my 2 cents. I agree that Russel has outwitted, outplayed everyone... time will tell if he out lasts... but in the end.. it's really not about that... The jury is bitter, and even though it may be true... he could be the best, but they still wont vote for him.. How many seasons has someone gone home with the million that didn't truly deserve it. I can think of a few. My bet is on Jerri.... here's my reason. even though she back stabbed Danielle and Parvarti this time.. it was her only chance to get farther than the top 4. she would go home right after colby and Rupert, and Russel was smart enough to point that out to her. He has a target on his back , but hopefully Jerri / rupert and Colby will stick with him.. if they are smart they will get rid of Sandra,before she has a chance to use the idol. They need to stick together to get rid of Parvarti and Sandra. Depends on who wins / gets immunity. But My predisction is this. Jerri / Russel and Colby top three... no one likes Russel,,, they don't want to vote for Colby... so Jerri wins. ( She even said it last night when she wrote her vote.. "My fate is sealed with this vote".... She knew it was her only chance to flip at that point. They just have to be smart enough to get rid of Parvarti and Sandra next. I think Russel can do it.
 
As I've said before, Russell is good at some things like finding idols and bullying and manipulating people, and there's no question that he is entertaining. But, he's not one of the all time great players because the way he manipulates people turns them against him and makes it impossible for him to get enough votes from a jury to win.

His move last night was a perfect example. Yes, many players have moved on by blindsiding allies, and I think everybody recognizes that as part of the game. But, by trying to play Danielle and Parvati against each other by blatantly lying to each of them, he pretty much guaranteed one more jury vote against him. He could have achieved the same result in other ways just by getting 3 more votes against Danielle and leaving Danielle and Parvati out of his plans. A less egotistical player might have been able to do that without them even knowing that he had turned on them if the vote ended up 4-3.

I also think that Russell is not as good as Parvati and Sandra at reading what's going on with the other players. He proved that by giving Parvati the idol, playing his own when he wasn't in danger, and falling for Rupert's act. He also still thinks that Sandra is with him, although it looks like Sandra is going to disavow him of that idea soon.

In the later stages of the game, it's hard to predict what exactly will happen because who wins immunity plays such a big part. But, I think all of the villains understand that they will have trouble winning if either Colby or Rupert makes it to the final 3. I think Sandra and Parvati also realize that having Russell in the final 3 with them is ideal because he can't win considering the makeup of the jury. So, I think Colby and Rupert will be the next two to go unless one of them can win immunity twice.

Sandra is in a great position because of that idol. She is good at reading the mood of the group, and can spring the idol if she thinks she is in danger. I would guess that she won't have to play it next week.

If I were betting I would say Parvati, Russell, Sandra, and Jerri in the final four, with Jerri going next unless she is able to win immunity. The final vote could be interesting, but I would be shocked if Russell wins.
 
I just found this thread.. but here's my 2 cents. I agree that Russel has outwitted, outplayed everyone... time will tell if he out lasts... but in the end.. it's really not about that... The jury is bitter, and even though it may be true... he could be the best, but they still wont vote for him.. How many seasons has someone gone home with the million that didn't truly deserve it. I can think of a few. My bet is on Jerri.... here's my reason. even though she back stabbed Danielle and Parvarti this time.. it was her only chance to get farther than the top 4. she would go home right after colby and Rupert, and Russel was smart enough to point that out to her. He has a target on his back , but hopefully Jerri / rupert and Colby will stick with him.. if they are smart they will get rid of Sandra,before she has a chance to use the idol. They need to stick together to get rid of Parvarti and Sandra. Depends on who wins / gets immunity. But My predisction is this. Jerri / Russel and Colby top three... no one likes Russel,,, they don't want to vote for Colby... so Jerri wins. ( She even said it last night when she wrote her vote.. "My fate is sealed with this vote".... She knew it was her only chance to flip at that point. They just have to be smart enough to get rid of Parvarti and Sandra next. I think Russel can do it.

You have to keep in mind who's on the jury. If Jerri, Colby, and Russell are in the final 3, Colby is a shoo in. But, the villains know this and will get rid of him and Rupert as long as they don't win immunity.
 
It is interesting that Sandra found an idol. And so far has kept her mouth shut about it.

Couldn't believe Russell stepped out of a challenge immediately just for food. But as Jeff mentioned in his blog, he is playing back to back seasons so the physical stress must be pretty bad.
 
There are very few players in Survivor history that haven't betrayed an alliance somewhere along the line. It is part of the game.

Oh I know that they need to betray an alliance at some point int he game but Russell takes that to another level. JMO.

I'm curious about something, for those that are not fans of the villians, are you ok with Colby or Rupert winning? I realize that the villians as a group are not that likeable but the idea of either of those 2 winning really bothers me because I think they have done nothing to deserve to win.

Just curious. :hippie:

Why not? I actually am not on either "side". I think that there have been some boneheaded mistakse on each side. I actually think that Parvati and Sandra are playing well, Colby has managed to survive when it looked like there was no hope, Rupert has stayed in the game when he looked like it would be all over and Russell is doing a great job of manipulating folks to do what he wants. Even Jerri is still in it. We'll see who gets to the final three.
Sandra impresses me. A former winner flying under the radar, yet making subtle, yet important, moves when she has to. Plus, not only did she find the hidden immunity idol she did something virtually no one does: she has kept her mouth shut about it. No one knows she has it.

Which leads me to Rupert: putting that rock in his pocket so that people (especially, as it turned out, Russell) would think he had the idol was a bold move, since it would make him a ‘target’ to ‘flush out the idol’; yet, he was the target anyway, so he knew, if it worked, that the tribe would split the vote between him and another person. Worked out perfectly. It also benefited Sandra: no one suspected she actually had the idol; indeed, at the second tribal council it seemed that a few, even then, thought he may have it.

At that first immunity challenge, what was the deal with Russell giving up after one minute for food? That shocked me. However, as Jeff mentioned on his blog, Russell was playing back-to-back seasons and it was obvious (to Jeff) that the toil was taking an effect on Russell. I have read elsewhere that after Samoa Russell was able to go home for just two weeks or so before heading back. Anyway, I was shocked that such a focused, strong player such as Russell would quit an immunity challenge for food. He must have been very, very hungry and tired. He obviously was in better spirits for the second immunity challenge where he played with his usual intensity.

As for the second tribal council: I love it when a player shoots him or herself in the foot like Danielle did. I believe it that Jeri switched her vote to Danielle after hearing Danielle yap about how close she and Parvati are, with Russell then leaning over and looking ‘meaningfully’ at Jeri (“See? I told ya you are not considered part of their alliance!”).
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I loved that Sandra kept it to herself. She knows that she is nto really on any team so she needs to play for herself. Good for her!

I also thought that Jerri was locked in on Danielle after that little scene.

I think that Russell gave up because he never thougth he was in any danger for this challenge. Why not eat and make a show that he was not worried all at the same time. AS for Colby, that was a surprise. I figured he would not give up but I bet he thought that Rupert was the one going so the donuts called hom too!

Rupert :thumbsup2 Good job big guy:thumbsup2 He needed a little help and the rock was a good idea.
 
Sandra found a piece of paper, not an idol. She didn't have time to read it and put it away. What did it say? We don't know.
 
Sandra found a piece of paper, not an idol. She didn't have time to read it and put it away. What did it say? We don't know.

Actually--she found the wrapped package and around it was the paper. I will presume it is the idol unless it is something completely different.
 
Actually--she found the wrapped package and around it was the paper. I will presume it is the idol unless it is something completely different.

I thought it was the idol too. I was really disappointed she didn't read the note. But good for her for keeping her mouth shut. That's something that I would Russell would do.

Why not? I actually am not on either "side". I think that there have been some boneheaded mistakse on each side. I actually think that Parvati and Sandra are playing well, Colby has managed to survive when it looked like there was no hope, Rupert has stayed in the game when he looked like it would be all over and Russell is doing a great job of manipulating folks to do what he wants. Even Jerri is still in it. We'll see who gets to the final three.

See for me just showing up and hanging around isn't enough. Or it shouldn't be. There have been players that have been complete underdogs and managed to turn the game upside down based on their own actions. I don't see any of that in Colby or Rupert. I think they've survived only because the villians decided to go after someon else.

I'd be really disappointed if either of them won unless they start doing something to control their own destiny.
 
I thought that she said she knew Rupert did nto have the idol because she had it.

She said that as well. They just never showed her reading the paper OR opening the tied brown package that was inside the folded paper.

I was just telling the person that said she only found a piece of paper--that the piece of paper wrapped another package and that is wasn't a piece of paper by itself.
 



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