Surrogacy for convenience

What?! My babies were just as close to my husband as they were to me. i don’t think babies can smell anything in the womb, but if so, I hope me on the outside doesn’t smell like me on the inside.🤣
They can, actually, both smell and taste in the womb. Google it, it’s pretty interesting.
 
I don’t think straw man fallacy means what you think it means. And death isn’t the only complication of pregnancy one may wish to avoid.

Speaking of death, 861 women died as a result of pregnancy in 2020, the most recent year for which I can find info. (The maternal death rate in this country is rising, btw.) For a little perspective, that’s more than twice as many women dead than police officers killed in the line of duty for the same year, which happened to be the second worst year for police in recorded US history. Going by that data, it’s more dangerous to be pregnant than it is to be a police officer. (Sources at bottom.)

But let’s not forget the women who only nearly die. (Resident DISer nurse @Pea-n-Me told of her own experience earlier in this thread.) Roughly another 50,000 women every year suffer dangerous and/or life threatening complications as a result of pregnancy:

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/22/5722...-preventable-complications-are-growing-in-u-s

Then, of course, there’s untold numbers of women who deal with less serious, but still unpleasant, complications that impact their quality of life. I’m happy for every woman out there who had easy, uncomplicated pregnancies and recoveries, but can we please stop acting like that’s the case for everyone? Or that it’s somehow wrong for a woman to decide she doesn’t want to take the chance to find out which statistical category she would fall into?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020/maternal-mortality-rates-2020.htm
https://nleomf.org/memorial/facts-figures/officer-fatality-data/officer-deaths-by-year/
I have to agree, I think there are more complications than most people ever experience or hear about. Heck, if people could foresee what was going to happen they might not want to have babies at all! Better to think it’s all sunshine and roses. And truly glad for those it is.

I remember going to the class you go to before you have a baby. One of the first things the nurse (who had just five months of labor and delivery experience) teaching the class (they must’ve been desperate) said to us was, “If they try to put an IV in your arm when you get there, tell them No”. 😳 What??? I (with many years experience under my belt at that point) actually raised my hand and said, “Oh no, I want an IV. Minutes count if something goes wrong”. She didn’t like that, and others were probably confused, but boy was I glad to have that IV in my arm when things were going south for me that day. 😣 They may have had real trouble getting one in with the amount of swelling I had after 8 liters of fluid. I needed three units of blood, too.
 

I have to agree, I think there are more complications than most people ever experience or hear about. Heck, if people could foresee what was going to happen they might not want to have babies at all! Better to think it’s all sunshine and roses. And truly glad for those it is.
That's a big part of it for me. One of my biggest reasons for not wanting kids is that I don't want to be pregnant. I never say that to people IRL because I find that people take it as a personal attack against their pregnancy somehow. I don't get it.
 
I have to agree, I think there are more complications than most people ever experience or hear about. Heck, if people could foresee what was going to happen they might not want to have babies at all! Better to think it’s all sunshine and roses. And truly glad for those it is.

I remember going to the class you go to before you have a baby. One of the first things the nurse (who had just five months of labor and delivery experience) teaching the class (they must’ve been desperate) said to us was, “If they try to put an IV in your arm when you get there, tell them No”. 😳 What??? I (with many years experience under my belt at that point) actually raised my hand and said, “Oh no, I want an IV. Minutes count if something goes wrong”. She didn’t like that, and others were probably confused, but boy was I glad to have that IV in my arm when things were going south for me that day. 😣 They may have had real trouble getting one in with the amount of swelling I had after 8 liters of fluid. I needed three units of blood, too.
Agreed. I also think many people are kind of in a willful denial about the impact pregnancy had on their body. Like, I imagine plenty of women would insist they had no lasting effects from pregnancy and then they pee when they sneeze. :laughing:
 
That's a big part of it for me. One of my biggest reasons for not wanting kids is that I don't want to be pregnant. I never say that to people IRL because I find that people take it as a personal attack against their pregnancy somehow. I don't get it.
I really wish people would be more honest with pregnancy. Yes there are some woman who really enjoy being pregnant but man it is insanely hard. and that is really not talked about enough. And I was last pregnant 6 years ago and still dealing with things related to it and that is not uncommon.
 
That's a big part of it for me. One of my biggest reasons for not wanting kids is that I don't want to be pregnant. I never say that to people IRL because I find that people take it as a personal attack against their pregnancy somehow. I don't get it.
I really didn’t, either. Honestly, we put off having children for that reason. And when we finally decided to bite the bullet, we ran into trouble. We were the last of most of our friends and family to have kids. I guess I looked far into the future and saw that I really wanted to be a mother, and I knew my husband would make a great Dad - I just had to get past the pregnancy part. I think what infertility did for us was make us realize that we truly did want to become parents.

I realize I am opening myself up for criticism here ;) but I am being honest because I want you and others in the same boat to know that you’re not alone, and that your feelings are not uncommon. I have talked to so many women who felt the same way (in both my personal life and professional capacity). But you’re right, it’s not talked about much. Maybe Mother Nature designed it that way in order to continue to more readily propagate the species! :laughing:

One thing that did dawn on me after my children were born, though, was the thought that, had I not gone through that whole process, I wouldn’t have had the children I had, and to me, they were perfect for us, so it all made sense in the end. Good luck with your decisions. :flower3:
 
/raises hand quietly
The last part...that's me.
:rotfl2: Hey, shockingly with all the other stupid issues I had to deal with, stretch marks and peeing when I sneeze were two things I wasn’t afflicted with. Unbelievable. But, you should know it’s not normal and it’s very easy to fix. Look up some pelvic floor strengthening exercise videos on YouTube to get started and then see a pelvic floor physiotherapist if you need more advanced help.
 
Personally I find surrogacy extremely cruel for the baby and incredibly unjust for the true mother, as it takes advantage of poor disadvantage women.

The only thing the baby knows when he is born is the sound of the voice/heart and smell of their mother. The baby stops crying once is give to their mother as he knows her and is reassured by her. He has spent 9months inside her. And here we have people separating the baby from who he knows to be his mother for Money and selfishness?

I can't believe this is actually legal is some countries.

Respectfully you have NO IDEA what you are talking about!

Who is the real mother? What makes someone a real mother? What about fathers? Adoptive parents? Foster parents? 2 mom or 2 dad households? Those who carry but use donor eggs/embryos? What about grandparents, aunts and uncles, or anyone else who opens their home to a child in need? You don’t become a parent in the hours that it takes to deliver the child. You become a parent in the days, months, and years you spend caring for the child. Holding them, loving them, crying their tears, cheering on their victories, etc. To somehow diminish that because a woman didn’t happen to be the one to carry said child is ignorant, insulting, and just plain rude.

And would it be better for my daughter to never have been born (because my cousin certainly wasn’t looking to have another child)? Or should we have rolled the dice and buried another baby - and maybe me too - just so that we didn’t take advantage of someone volunteering to do something out of the goodness of her heart? I don’t know if my daughter will make the world a better place someday, but she certainly makes OUR world - and the world of those around her - better for her being in it.
 
:rotfl2: Hey, shockingly with all the other stupid issues I had to deal with, stretch marks and peeing when I sneeze were two things I wasn’t afflicted with. Unbelievable. But, you should know it’s not normal and it’s very easy to fix. Look up some pelvic floor strengthening exercise videos on YouTube to get started and then see a pelvic floor physiotherapist if you need more advanced help.
I’m sure some of us here could talk about ’twin skin’, right ladies? 😲
 
Personally I find surrogacy extremely cruel for the baby and incredibly unjust for the true mother, as it takes advantage of poor disadvantage women.

The only thing the baby knows when he is born is the sound of the voice/heart and smell of their mother. The baby stops crying once is give to their mother as he knows her and is reassured by her. He has spent 9months inside her. And here we have people separating the baby from who he knows to be his mother for Money and selfishness?

I can't believe this is actually legal is some countries.
I look at this comment and all I can think is:

"Don't feed the trolls".

This person is either trying to flame this thread or they genuinely believe that. Either way, not worth engaging.
 
I really didn’t, either. Honestly, we put off having children for that reason. And when we finally decided to bite the bullet, we ran into trouble. We were the last of most of our friends and family to have kids. I guess I looked far into the future and saw that I really wanted to be a mother, and I knew my husband would make a great Dad - I just had to get past the pregnancy part. I think what infertility did for us was make us realize that we truly did want to become parents.

I realize I am opening myself up for criticism here ;) but I am being honest because I want you and others in the same boat to know that you’re not alone, and that your feelings are not uncommon. I have talked to so many women who felt the same way (in both my personal life and professional capacity). But you’re right, it’s not talked about much. Maybe Mother Nature designed it that way in order to continue to more readily propagate the species! :laughing:

One thing that did dawn on me after my children were born, though, was the thought that, had I not gone through that whole process, I wouldn’t have had the children I had, and to me, they were perfect for us, so it all made sense in the end. Good luck with your decisions. :flower3:
I'm very happy that you were able to have children despite initial issues. Like I said previously, I think every woman should be able to have that choice. For me, I know that being a parent is not what I want for my life and that's okay. I can fulfill my life in other ways. I think more and more women are being open about making that choice. I think for a lot of women, pregnancy and childbirth is something they are expected to do. For instance, I have a friend my age who recently had a baby and she is the only one in our friend group to be a parent. She absolutely loves her son and wouldn't trade him for the world, but she has admitted that she wishes she could skip pregnancy and go right to having him.
 
I'm very happy that you were able to have children despite initial issues. Like I said previously, I think every woman should be able to have that choice. For me, I know that being a parent is not what I want for my life and that's okay. I can fulfill my life in other ways. I think more and more women are being open about making that choice. I think for a lot of women, pregnancy and childbirth is something they are expected to do. For instance, I have a friend my age who recently had a baby and she is the only one in our friend group to be a parent. She absolutely loves her son and wouldn't trade him for the world, but she has admitted that she wishes she could skip pregnancy and go right to having him.
I think it’s perfectly fine to choose not to have children, too. It’s not for everyone, and that’s ok.
 

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