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[kamgen]

I called first thing in the morning on Jan. 8 for our 11 month window. We are checking into a 2bdroom standard at BWV on Dec. 2 and checking out on the 8th. We were lucky to get it.
I called back a week later to confirm and get my points amount again (forgot to write it all down) and the cm told me that it was almost sold out already for that week!
I hope you get it. Keep calling back and good luck!
kamgen

Off site '94
AllStar-Movies '99
DxL '00 Honeymoon
DVC Member 4/00
BWV 9/00
VB 9/00
DCL-Wonder 1/01
OKW 1/01
Upcoming:
BWV 12/01
DCL-Magic 12/29/01

 

[spiceycat]

when I first looked at DVC the minumin points were 265 this was too much for me. I was told that if sales did not pick up DVC was lowering the points needed - which they did the following year to 190 so I brought then. I now have 450 points but these were brought over the years in small installments. They lowerer it to 150 points for the same reason, to get more people to buy. Kept in mind DVC has been on the market since 1991, it is only lately that demand has been so great.

 

[CarolAnnC]

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[garrett79]

Carol, not sure if you are referring to me (maybe, maybe not) but I am seriously reconsidering getting out of this program. I have seen the following behavior:
1)Making unsupported ACCUSATIONS against DVC sales staff.
2)Spying on fellow DVC members
3)Condescending remarks about the amount of points people purchase and where the purchase them (Duped into VB).

These things really make me question whether or not to associate with people like this. Of course, IMHO opinion this is exactly what they want. They want to protect what they see as their own little exclusive club and try to dissuade anyone else from buying in. As far as personal attacks, I am sure that members I disagree with are good people and not ethically challenged but the last time I checked, it is free speech, no matter what the perspective.

 

[Richyams]

1).........

Who made any unsupported claims about DVC sales staff??

2)......

Spying??? Come one, does anyone think I was serious about peering into windows looking for extra guests? And I think that the pool crashers that blatantly boast of it should be evicted.

3)........

Since DVC sales staff uses lies to get people to by into VB, some are "duped" into buying there. Many have come here and gotton the truth and backed out of the contracts they were "duped" into buying.

You, on the other hand, went in with your eyes open, aware of the situation and difficulties associated with owning at VB and planning to vacation at WDW, you made an informed decision. I think that is great.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

 

[TampaDisneyFreaks]

Early to mid Dec. appear to be busy times for DVC since it is a low point season. Also, BWV appears to be the hot place to stay right now. It also is the time of the BWV meeting (but I heard that is not real heavily attended, maybe 70 people there last year). Since Walt's b-day falls during that time and he is the big focus for Disney this year b/c it is his 100th, that compounds the problem. Also, those 2 weeks tend to be slow at the parks, so Floridians like my DW and I, love to go there at that time b/c it is dead at the parks and all the decorations are up. I called on Jan. 23 to get Dec. 12-16 (just inside the 11 month window, we own at BWV) and was able to get a std view studio, but the CM at MS remarked that they were surprised that it was still available. Keep trying and get on a waitlist. If you can, you may want to consider VWL or OKW. I was able to book the same time for last year at OKW well within the 7 month window with no problem. Good Luck

 

[garrett79]

Fair enough. Maybe I took you a little too seriously....

 

[kamgen]

I am confused about what is meant by saying that DVC lies to sell VB?
We bought an add on at VB because we love it there. We have found no trouble booking there and don't recall being lied to.
Just curious.
Thanks
kamgen

Off site '94
AllStar-Movies '99
DxL '00 Honeymoon
DVC Member 4/00
BWV 9/00
VB 9/00
DCL-Wonder 1/01
OKW 1/01
Upcoming:
BWV 12/01
DCL-Magic 12/29/01

 

[LauraS]

Any advise given on these boards should never be taken as absolute fact. Everyone has different perspectives and very often emotion gets the better of folks around here. Some see Disney as "their" company, one that would never try and dupe us DVCers. Other see Disney as the evil empire always out to screw all of us. Most of us fall in the middle somewhere. I tend to think that Disney is a great service-oriented company and that's why I bought into the DVC.

Always remember that *all* opinions given out around here are subjective. For the most part I avoid too much opinion reading and stick to reading the stuff that is valuable to me like what's up at the resorts, how ressies are holding up at a particular time and the like.

These bits of advise are posted by and large by DVCers who we've never met. Why on earth would you let one person's opinions steer you away from joining the DVC. I mean, think about it....the DVC is just like the general population in some respects. Do you really think that we are all the same? If you talk to ten different DVCers, you'll get ten different opinions. I know that it's difficult at times to *not* take some of the comments around here personally, but you have to try and let it roll of your back.

Personally, I think Rich has some very valid points and I tend to agree with him more than disagree. Maybe he's a little harsh at times, but reading the written word as opposed to face to face conversation is a tricky thing. Sometimes it's difficult to ascertain someone's tone by strictly reading a paragraph. Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly that the 11 month window is important for most of us. I *don't* agree because someone said it around here. I know that for me it has most certainly mattered. I have lucked out once at the 5 month window, but for me that was a huge exception and not the rule. Many folks around here truly believe that you should buy where you think you'll want to spend the most time. Now, just like all the other opinions given around here....take that piece of advise for what it's worth to you.

I don't think that there's anyone who loves Disney more than I do. There are many, many here who love it just as much though. Many of the folks hang around here as you do. Just don't let subjective opinionated posts in *either* direction sway your decision. Make your own decision based on your own research.

Laura

 

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[RAD]

It looks like it's not just December that's busy. I called to try to get a 1BR at BWV for a Saturday through Wednesday for one of the first three weeks in November, sorry all booked up (unless you want a date here or a date there and waitlist). OK, list try going back a few weeks into October, first date I could get was weekend of 10/13.

Well we can't blame OKW folks for taking the rooms since we're not at the 7 month window yet, so BWV folks are doing it themselves. Is the problem all the new folks that joined at the end of last year now making their reservations, and like most folks borrowing so they can stay in a nice room longer then their original point purchase? It just seems strange that so many folks are having problems this far out booking rooms.

 

[garrett79]

Not for nothing but how respectful have people been when they INSINUATE people are duped or too poor to buy more than 150 points.How disrespectful is that? Rich, I am sure, is obviously a very devoted DVC member who has contributed to this forum many times.However, lack of respect can be shown in many ways, from insinuation to outright rudeness. I took offense to the insinuation that anyone who bought at VB for 150 pts was lied to, duped and basically not intelligent enough to see through the DVC sales smoke screen. I reserve the right to offer my opinions and will continue to do so while avoiding any percived personal attacks, insinuated or not.

 

[mattsdad]

I guess I have just been lucky. I have booked at BWV twice with only 2-3 months notice at a 1BR without much problem. Had to move a vacation back one week was all.

 

[chris1gill]

The last couple of Decembers have been this way... the nights you asked for filled up within 2 weeks of the ability to book them... standards booked up within a couple of days... I assume all of December right up til Christmas will be similar... Sorry you waited so long...you should be able to get either Wilderness Lodge or Old Key west at the 7 month mark hopefully?

good luck!

 

[drusba]

Having read through this post, I now think I have it:

1. VB owners were all duped and lied to by DVC sales reps because everyone knows that in 10 years, due to global warming, it will sink into the sea.

2. Anyone who bought only 150 points did not vote for George Bush (or at least they think they didn't).

3. Reservations at BWV are impossible to get because it really does not exist.

4. You should buy where you plan to stay the most, and I hope that is somewhere in Outer Mongolia.

5. Disney has a plot to require owners with over 400 points to double up in rooms with owners with under 200 points, at which time the homicide level and, thankfully, the availability level will greatly increase.

6. The major benefit of the Internet is that I get to speak my peace without any annoying interruptions. The major disadvantage is that everyone else gets to speak their peace without any necessary interruptions.

 

[Richyams]

Who ever said anything about being to poor?

My concern over these small packages is that it makes people more likely to avoid weekends like the plague, it also makes the low point seasons more difficult, it also forces people use studios more often.

That is what I said....maybe someone else said something about being poor, I certainly didn't.

I was also quite tenuous about throwing out the suspiscion that you may have possibly been duped. It is real easy to see how someone not familiar with DVC could sit and listen to DVC sales and their.....inaccuracies???....and be convinced to purchase something that is NOT in their best interest. It has happened many times.

Remember, my first post was a compliment to VB, then a caution and ended with another glowing compliment for VB.

It is not until people start making blanket statements like "the eleven month window is meaningless" that I begin to get more ardent.

Again, if you went into this with your eyes open, congratulations, if you weren't even completely aware of everything, but now have more information and still know VB is best for you, not only cangratulatiuons, but I am glad we were able to be informative and help you feel even more comfortable with your decision.

I mean that very much.

If someone else is able to make an infomed decision after reading all these threads, that is great.....and I mean it is great wether they decide that VB is going to be best or HH or an on-property DVC resort.

I wish to do nothing but inform.....and if we can have a little fun along the way, like laughing at the dirty feet of the off-site guests, great.

I know, now there I go again, hurting the feeling of off site dirty footed guests.....I have a hard time with political correctness, you will have to excuse me.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

 

[LooHoo]

Drusba,
That was just too funny! Be careful you may be called on that sarcasim. Or maybe you werent being sarcastic at all? Leaves one pondering.
Garrett,
Do not be concerned about Vero dues going up next year. You have no subsidy built in your dues are already based on the resort proportion that has been built. Dues went down this year at Vero and are only a couple pennies more than Boardwalk. Disney was originally going to build a larger resort. They tend to be an aggressive company out of the gate. It is not supersing that Vero has difficulty competing with WDW properties just from the the foot traffic that Disney has. People see it and want to buy it. Harder to get people to Vero to see it. What Disney has done is decided not build Vero currently because they are competing with themselves. Demand for DVC has increased so greatly they are trying to build to keep up in there most popular location. Not that Vero is a failed part of DVC at all and it probubally will be built eventually. Dues at Vero are a little higher than WDW and were talking pennies here is because Vero is on the ocean and the property takes more wear and tare because of that. We have to make sure our property stays in Disney condition. Vero does not sit empty and is selling very well. Disney will not step down as the management company they make a nice little profit off Vero from us. DVC was built as a network not stand alone timeshares and if one part fails it would mean the whole venture failed. ( which it has not) Feel good and try not to let he who screams the loudest make you feel worried. Some people love to stir up the crowd. Remember this board is a teeny tiny amount of DVC members.

 

[Galahad]

LOL Drusba!

 

[garrett79]

Drusba, Priceless! But yes, I agree with LooHoo, watch out for the sarcasm police. LooHoo, thanks again for the support. And I have to thank those as well who I have disagreed with because they have opened my eyes to some things. I have to make sure I dont ask the same questions twice though. Bad inquisitor!
I am looking forward to VB and looking forward to the resort. Cant wait.

 

[dianeschlicht]

This has been like reading two different threads at once! The original querry plus an ongoing argument. No way I would enter this one!

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