Study re:Vit D

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I was disapointed when I heard on news today that we need Vit D not vit C. That said to take 1000mg/day Vit D. They said to increase your immunity to upper resp infections, colds, flu you need to have a high Vit D level. i'm already on 50,000 units/wk and 1000mg/day and it is still only 19. I don't think I'm going out of the house. And here we thought we were taking extra Vitamin C.. Arggg
 
I put the whole family on 2000 mg of D/day about two weeks ago. Can't hurt!
 
A diabetes educator friend of mine told me to start taking it last year and I have had better luck with not being sick.
 
I've been taking Vitamin D also as I have a confirmed deficiency.

But we've kind of known for awhile that large doses of Vitamin C don't really do anything. Surely, you don't want to be deficient but they said a long time ago that these pills and megadoses are useless.
 

I was told the normal level starts at 32. Mine was 30.9 5 months ago, so they had me taking 1000 a day of D3. Had it checked again last week and it went DOWN to 30.7. Now I am taking 2000 a day and thinking of upping it to 4000. The main way we get D3 is through sunlight and with winter coming, more people will become deficient.

Marsha
 
My doctor started me on 4000 mg per day due to a confirmed deficiency this summer. I hadn't really noticed much of a difference but I have seemed to miss a lot of the illnesses going around at work. I haven't been taking it to avoid sickness and if my doctor hadn't told me to start taking that amount, I wouldn't be doing it.
 
I put the whole family on 2000 mg of D/day about two weeks ago. Can't hurt!

Same here! I'm taking closer to 8,000 because I'm sure that I'm seriously deficient. I live in Michigan. Guidelines say that we would need to expose 75% of our skin for at least 20 minutes a day (with no sunscreen) to get our daily dose of D... and do this every day.

That just never happens here, except maybe for the occasional July day at someone's pool.

I've heard good things in my research... that Vitamin D not only helps build up your immune system, but that it helps with winter depression, too.

Yay for Vitamin D! :woohoo:

P.S. It's generally best to take it with food that has some fat because Vit. D is a fat soluable vitamin.
 
My level was a pathetic 11 at my last blood test. I had my gallbladder removed at age 22 (3 children ago, lol) and JUST made the connection that without a gallbladder, your body may not process fats well...and that proccessing vit D is dependent on processing fats. So NOW I know why I need to take LOTS of vit D.

That said, it is a fat soluble vitamin, which can store in your body long. You CAN get toxic. So my dr. tests me regularly now. My problem is remembering to TAKE the supplement, lol. It's best taken with food with some fat, and that's NOT when I first wake up. Once I begin my daytime activities, I am NOT remembering a pill.
 
My level was a pathetic 11 at my last blood test. I had my gallbladder removed at age 22 (3 children ago, lol) and JUST made the connection that without a gallbladder, your body may not process fats well...and that proccessing vit D is dependent on processing fats. So NOW I know why I need to take LOTS of vit D.

That said, it is a fat soluble vitamin, which can store in your body long. You CAN get toxic. So my dr. tests me regularly now. My problem is remembering to TAKE the supplement, lol. It's best taken with food with some fat, and that's NOT when I first wake up. Once I begin my daytime activities, I am NOT remembering a pill.

When my rheumatologist checked it a yr ago mine was 23 and she wrote a RX for Vitamin D 50,000 units per week plus a 1000mg/day and it went down to19. I have emailed FDA, AMA, CDC you name it because Drs do not routinely check vitamin levels. I have been pushing for SOMEONE to come up with a vitamin panel. Thousands of people have numerous vit defiencies that cause dibilitating problems and all they do is treat symptoms without checking the levels til its too late. They have renal panels, cardiac profiles, lipid profiles etc. They need to have routine labs for people.
 
Same here! I'm taking closer to 8,000 because I'm sure that I'm seriously deficient. I live in Michigan. Guidelines say that we would need to expose 75% of our skin for at least 20 minutes a day (with no sunscreen) to get our daily dose of D... and do this every day.

That just never happens here, except maybe for the occasional July day at someone's pool.

I've heard good things in my research... that Vitamin D not only helps build up your immune system, but that it helps with winter depression, too.

Yay for Vitamin D! :woohoo:

P.S. It's generally best to take it with food that has some fat because Vit. D is a fat soluable vitamin.

Yeah, I think that not able to be in sunlight is one of the reasons my level won't go up. If I go in the sun within 10min my skin looks like i've been out for 8hrs with no sunscreen. I can't walk anymore so the only time I go out is4 times a year to Kings Island on my scooter or to the Dr. Not even allowed to have the light that comes in the windows. lol I asked the Dr if he had any suggestions how I can get level up and he just said keep taking the vitamins. ugggg so frustrating. I'm 1st on list for a body transplant. lol
 
Just be careful of toxicity and interactions with other medications..:goodvibes
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Health Risks from Excessive Vitamin D
Vitamin D toxicity can cause nonspecific symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, poor appetite, constipation, weakness, and weight loss [87]. More seriously, it can also raise blood levels of calcium, causing mental status changes such as confusion and heart rhythm abnormalities [7]. The use of supplements of both calcium (1,000 mg/day) and vitamin D (400 IU/day) by postmenopausal women was associated with a 17% increase in the risk of kidney stones over 7 years in the Women's Health Initiative [88]. Deposition of calcium and phosphate in the kidneys and other soft tissues can also be caused by excessive vitamin D levels [46]. A serum 25(OH)D concentration consistently >200 ng/mL (>500 nmol/L) is considered to be potentially toxic [11]. In an animal model, concentrations ≤400 ng/mL (≤1,000 nmol/L) were not associated with harm [14].

Excessive sun exposure does not result in vitamin D toxicity because the sustained heat on the skin is thought to photodegrade previtamin D3 and vitamin D3 as it is formed [10,35]. High intakes of dietary vitamin D are very unlikely to result in toxicity unless large amounts of cod liver oil are consumed; toxicity is more likely to occur from high intakes of supplements.

Long-term intakes above the UL increase the risk of adverse health effects [4] (Table 4). Substantially larger doses administered for a short time or periodically (e.g., 50,000 IU/week for 8 weeks) do not cause toxicity. Rather, the excess is stored and used as needed to maintain normal serum 25(OH)D concentrations when vitamin D intakes or sun exposure are limited [11,89].

Table 4: Tolerable Upper Intake Levels (ULs) for Vitamin D [4]Age Children Men Women Pregnancy Lactation
Birth to 12 months 25 mcg
(1,000 IU)
1-13 years 50 mcg
(2,000 IU)
14+ years 50 mcg
(2,000 IU) 50 mcg
(2,000 IU) 50 mcg
(2,000 IU) 50 mcg
(2,000 IU)

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Interactions with Medications
Vitamin D supplements have the potential to interact with several types of medications. A few examples are provided below. Individuals taking these medications on a regular basis should discuss vitamin D intakes with their healthcare providers.

Steroids
Corticosteroid medications such as prednisone, often prescribed to reduce inflammation, can reduce calcium absorption [90,91,92] and impair vitamin D metabolism. These effects can further contribute to the loss of bone and the development of osteoporosis associated with their long-term use [91,92].

Other medications
Both the weight-loss drug orlistat (brand names Xenical® and alli™) and the cholesterol-lowering drug cholestyramine (brand names Questran®, LoCholest®, and Prevalite®) can reduce the absorption of vitamin D and other fat-soluble vitamins [93,94]. Both phenobarbital and phenytoin (brand name Dilantin®), used to prevent and control epileptic seizures, increase the hepatic metabolism of vitamin D to inactive compounds and reduce calcium absorption [95].
 
Just be careful of toxicity and interactions with other medications..:goodvibes
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Steroids
Corticosteroid medications such as prednisone, often prescribed to reduce inflammation, can reduce calcium absorption [90,91,92] and impair vitamin D metabolism. These effects can further contribute to the loss of bone and the development of osteoporosis associated with their long-term use [91,92].

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That's helpful. I have been on Prednisone for weeks now. Wonder what they consider "long term." My vit D level already was pathetic, (11). Wonder what it'll be AFTER the prednisone!
 
I question the effectiveness of vitamin D supplements. As a few people on this thread have noted, they take supplements and their levels decrease. On a health board I frequent, people report the same results. I know people that have gotten prescription strength vitamin D and still have their numbers go down. Something isn't right.
 
I have been on the 50,000 IU a week for 13 weeks regimen, which brought my D level up, but after a year on 1000 IU a day, it had dropped again. So I have done the 50,000 again, and it is back up, so we'll see what happens next. Has anyone tried the liquid vitamin D from Costco? I wonder if it would be absorbed any differently.
 
My levels were also low, 17. My endocrinologist put me on 2,000iu a day. Levels went up to 30 so now I'm on 4,000iu a day. Make sure you're taking the correct kind of vitamin D too, the supplement with D3. Since upping my dose, I have way more energy and when I do get sick, it's very short-lived. Apparently there is a huge problem with vit. D deficiency and people aren't aware. More doctors are now testing for it. For me, I have a hypothyroidism and sometimes vit. D levels are related to that.

BTW, I did the liquid vit. d capsules from Costco and it gave me horrible stomach problems. So now I've been taking the NatureMade D3 2,000iu 2 times a day without any problems. I've been on this regiment for nearly a year. Hope that helps. :goodvibes
 
I question the effectiveness of vitamin D supplements. As a few people on this thread have noted, they take supplements and their levels decrease. On a health board I frequent, people report the same results. I know people that have gotten prescription strength vitamin D and still have their numbers go down. Something isn't right.

Probably has a lot to do with how vitamin D is broken down/ used by the body. Really, many things we ingest as supplements are going to be inferior to the way to get it naturally. It supposedly takes VERY little sunlight exposure to get healthy vitamin D levels, but I think lots of times, other health issues/medications/treatments/prior surgeries (ie gallbladder removal) impact things in ways we didn't plan for.

I am going to have to up my vitamin D supplements more than I am, and always take it with a meal that includes some fat. Hopefully, even without my gallbladder to aid in the emulsification of fat, I'll digest the fat well enough to also take in the vitamin D. Of course, I still have to remember to TAKE the vitamin D each day, lol.
 
I was told the normal level starts at 32. Mine was 30.9 5 months ago, so they had me taking 1000 a day of D3. Had it checked again last week and it went DOWN to 30.7. Now I am taking 2000 a day and thinking of upping it to 4000. The main way we get D3 is through sunlight and with winter coming, more people will become deficient.

Marsha

I just had my Vit D lab drawn--it was 11:scared1: I am very fair and there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for me to absorb the amount of VIT D that I need from the sun alone. And you can only drink so much milk(you'd need 10 glasses a day.) So my doc just started me on 1000u per day. I also just found out I'm pre-diabetic, and the doc says VIt D helps control blood sugar.
 
That's helpful. I have been on Prednisone for weeks now. Wonder what they consider "long term."

DH has been on 20mg of Prednisone for 7 years. The only thing good about it is that his disease causes him to store Vit D, so it's actually contraindicated for him to take a vit d supplement.
 
I just read an article in a health magazine I get regarding supplementation.

A doctor commented on what she does for her patients:

1.Tests two times a year.
2. For those that are very deficient she gives them an IM injection of 600,000 (!) IUs of Vitamin D and then 5,000 per day. She stated that once you are deficient it is VERY difficult to get levels up to desired amounts. In fact, she stated that 1,000 to 2,000 per day won't do it and even 5,000 won't do it if you don't "jump start" with the high dose.
3. It is nearly impossible to overdose on Vitamin D.
4. The levels recommended today are woefully insufficient.

I wish I could link the article but it is not an online publication and too long to retype.
 
I just had my Vit D lab drawn--it was 11:scared1: I am very fair and there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for me to absorb the amount of VIT D that I need from the sun alone. And you can only drink so much milk(you'd need 10 glasses a day.) So my doc just started me on 1000u per day. I also just found out I'm pre-diabetic, and the doc says VIt D helps control blood sugar.

Hmm...I just found out I am insulin resistant, and very close to being diagnosed as prediabetic. I wonder if there is a correlation?:confused3

Marsha
 



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