Stopping ILLEGAL immigration... what would be YOUR plan?

Papa Deuce

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I need to give it more thought. I will say upfront that I am 100% against ILLEGAL immigration, and would send back every single ILLEGAL immigrant to the country they came from if I could.

That said, I welcome LEGAL immigration.
 
1) Make mandatory jail time to anyone caught employing an illegal (even for house labor)

2) No more instant citizenship to babies born here...they must apply for citizenship and a parent must be legal.

3) No public education without proof of citizenship.

4) Any illegal caught doing a crime is instantly deported.

5) Make it illegal for landlords to rent to people without proof of citizenship/work permit. (If you want to be really mean, no having illegal people stay at your house either, otherwise JAIL time)

6) No more dual language in public buildings.


If they can't work here, and can't be housed here, there is no incentive for them to BE here.
 
Make it a little easier for people (like myself) to emigrate legally to the US. Canada and Australia have good systems. They measure on a points system taking on board your skills, education etc. Also tighten up security at borders, and have stronger penalties like you mentioned for illegal immigrants.
 

FreshTressa said:
1) Make mandatory jail time to anyone caught employing an illegal (even for house labor)

2) No more instant citizenship to babies born here...they must apply for citizenship and a parent must be legal.


3) No public education without proof of citizenship.

4) Any illegal caught doing a crime is instantly deported.

5) Make it illegal for landlords to rent to people without proof of citizenship/work permit. (If you want to be really mean, no having illegal people stay at your house either, otherwise JAIL time)

6) No more dual language in public buildings.


If they can't work here, and can't be housed here, there is no incentive for them to BE here.


Oh yeah.... THAT is the one I can't stand.....
 
FreshTressa said:
2) No more instant citizenship to babies born here...they must apply for citizenship and a parent must be legal.

Might be the "low hanging fruit" (easiest fix that solves a large chunk of the problem).
 
One thing I would do would be to legalize drugs. If we could stop the drug running, at least the worst element would be eliminated.
 
Frankly, I don't think we need a plan, as I think the whole issue is nothing more than a red herring. Yes, we have a minor problem with illegals in this country. We have a potentially major problem with the fact that it may not be harmless field-workers crossing our borders illegally. But as for the big hubbub about all those nasty brown-skinned people coming into our country (they can't come in "legally" unless they already have a job, housing, and forty-eleven other things already in place. The days of Ellis Island are LONG past.)...it's nowhere near the problem people are making it out be.

Just my $.02.
 
Oh, yeah, throw the constitution away.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States............are citizens of the United States........

So, what parts of the constitution do you want to throw away next........
 
Denying an issue doesn't make it go away. It may not be an problem in WV, but I lived in San Diego and it was...and that was 20 years ago. I am cuban by birth, and thus one of those brown skinned people, and i live with prejudice because of the actions of others. It seems to me a legit concern that people are hungry and homeless in our country while others are receiving services when they aren't here legally.
 
Being cuban by birth, you are a different class, under current immigration laws, than people from Mexico.
I am in a border state. I agree with WV. This is a red herring that is being exploited to people who do not understand the reality of the circumstances surrounding the immigrants, in an attempt to shore up a failing political party.

This debate has nothing to do with addressed the cause of the immigration problems. It is only designed to raise an issue to take people's minds off the ever expanding size of government, the ever expanding size of the war, the incompetent President, etc.

Where will you find people to fill these jobs? Who is going to work the farms? Who is going to clean the houses, the offices, etc. Who is going to maintain the landscape? Who is going to build the houses?

If you are going to address immigration, you should first see why the immigrants want to come here, and why there are jobs available for them. Is it because the jobs are available here, because Americans do not want that work? Is it because their society has failed them, and the American dream is alive?

Are you going to throw the Churches in jail?

Are you going to throw the homeless shelters in jail?

Are you going to throw the teachers, the counselors, the advocates in jail because they are helping another human being who needs help.

Do unto others as you would do unto me

Anybody who shops at WalMart really has no right to say I will pay a little bit extra for an American to pick that fruit, or have the lawn cut, or pay double for my house, etc, bercause your support of WalMart is, in actuality, support for a non-american to do tghe work that used to be performed by an American. The only difference is that WalMart uses an enemy to do the work, while in the states, immigrants do the work. I do not see the unemployed hightailing it to the border states to cut grass, etc. for the rate that immigrants receive.
 
Why don't we simply round them up, Place a large I on their clothes, take away anything they own for our use, put them in camps, and then simply take care of them!
 
They had an employer on the local news here the other day he said flat out you make them all legal I have to pay them a legal wage and thats not going to happen.

So it will just add another million or so unemployed people putting more drain on an overdrained system.

As far as putting the churches and shelters in jail YES they are HARBORING FUGITIVES and just like any murderer or crook they should be held accountable.

You all talk about rights of people breaking the LAW then Complain when the LAW does it 's job.

The Gov. is not going to do anything to change this because most of them have Illegals working in their homes or businesses .They are always getting caught with them .

WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY AND ARE FOUND GUILTY YOU SHOULD HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS.
 
dennis99ss said:
Anybody who shops at WalMart really has no right to say I will pay a little bit extra for an American to pick that fruit, or have the lawn cut, or pay double for my house, etc, bercause your support of WalMart is, in actuality, support for a non-american to do tghe work that used to be performed by an American. The only difference is that WalMart uses an enemy to do the work, while in the states, immigrants do the work. I do not see the unemployed hightailing it to the border states to cut grass, etc. for the rate that immigrants receive.

Wow! Bullseye!

I don't think anyone would disagree that our immigration laws need to be restructured a bit, but I can tell you that there are a few cities in the north that could use a few more immigrants, legal or otherwise, to breath life back into them. Cities without immigrants are dying.
 
Holy crap, the world is coming to an end...I agree with BOTH wvrevy and dennis99ss. :scared1: :faint:
 
Oh goodness knows, it's such a complex problem, isn't it?

First you need to catch or arrest illegal aliens either as they attempt to enter the country or once they have entered the country. You can then assess their case for immigration, either rejecting them or accepting them; since they attempted to immigrate illegally, I guess that should be held against them (to encourage legal immigration).

To catch them you'd need a significant wedge of manpower, patrolling the border and the surrounding areas. Centres of employment would be ripe for policing, of course. Imposing penalties for employing illegal aliens would discourage the activity and would in turn help prevent abuse of employment.

I'm not sure what else could be done...



Rich::
 
dennis99ss said:
Oh, yeah, throw the constitution away.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States............are citizens of the United States........

So, what parts of the constitution do you want to throw away next........

It's nice you only want to point out the laws of the land that benifit your point .

You can't just pick and choose unless you are trying to change the laws that are in place .
 
WHEN YOU BREAK THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY AND ARE FOUND GUILTY YOU SHOULD HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS.

And which laws would those be? The speeding laws? The laws governing the payment of taxes, the laws regarding zoning? How about the laws as to where parking is on the street.

You posts just scream of your having no idea of what is really involved in the issue of immigration/illegal immigration and the cause of such, and the benfits vs. negatives of the issue.

You simply shout out that they should all go home, everybody should go to jail, etc.

Just think, Harriet Tubman was acting illegally on the railroad as well. I guess you would be in favor of her being stripped of all rights (opps, I forgot, she didn't have many did she) I guess Rosa Parks would not even have been able to go home after getting off the bus, since she would have been thrown in jail for eternity. By Golly, thats how we should treat people.
 
dennis99ss said:
And which laws would those be? The speeding laws? The laws governing the payment of taxes, the laws regarding zoning? How about the laws as to where parking is on the street.

You posts just scream of your having no idea of what is really involved in the issue of immigration/illegal immigration and the cause of such, and the benfits vs. negatives of the issue.

You simply shout out that they should all go home, everybody should go to jail, etc.

Just think, Harriet Tubman was acting illegally on the railroad as well. I guess you would be in favor of her being stripped of all rights (opps, I forgot, she didn't have many did she) I guess Rosa Parks would not even have been able to go home after getting off the bus, since she would have been thrown in jail for eternity. By Golly, thats how we should treat people.

Well, er, Tubman and Parks were Americans, and they were campaigning against oppression. Illegal immigrants are not Americans (or legal), and they are not being oppressed.
 


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