Stop being silly over PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

[Tink's Tormentor]

Remember, Pooh was added at a time Disney was looking for cheap ways out of things.. Hopefully that mindset is now gone... Especially with something I heard about the INcredibles coming to MK... I'll say this, erecting a new building is not out of the possibility, one that would house a huge attraction..... Toad did not register with a lot of guests, mostly kids... Pooh registers.. More people know Pooh than Toad... Opportunity to sell merchandise and draw more people, especially kids...

 

[MJMcBride]

This is a much much better way to say what I was trying to say. Thanks.

 

[YoHo]

All well and good, but my news articles from actual newspapers with reporters that actually talked to people said that Toad was popular, so try again.

And if what you're trying to say is that pooh was going to sell more merchandise, well then we agree, pooh was put in to sell more merchandise.
If you're trying to say pooh was put in, because Toad wasn't popular, then you're wrong. If what you're trying to say is that Toad was not popular enough for the sharp pencils in Bubank, then you're also correct.

 

[KimmLynn]

All well and good, but my news articles from actual newspapers with reporters that actually talked to people said that Toad was popular, so try again.

And if what you're trying to say is that pooh was going to sell more merchandise, well then we agree, pooh was put in to sell more merchandise.
If you're trying to say pooh was put in, because Toad wasn't popular, then you're wrong. If what you're trying to say is that Toad was not popular enough for the sharp pencils in Bubank, then you're also correct.

How many articles could have possibly been written about Mr. Toad? And just because they talk to a few people who liked it doesn't mean there were more people who didn't. Maybe you're really into Mr. Toad and everything, but who keeps articles about a ride that was shut down years ago?

And we all know you can trust everything you read in newspapers... reporters never slant an article to make more people read their columns...

I've never been to Disneyland, but is the Mr. Toad there the same exact one that was in WDW? That may account for keeping it there and removing it from WDW.

 

[DancingBear]

How many articles could have possibly been written about Mr. Toad? And just because they talk to a few people who liked it doesn't mean there were more people who didn't. Maybe you're really into Mr. Toad and everything, but who keeps articles about a ride that was shut down years ago?

And we all know you can trust everything you read in newspapers... reporters never slant an article to make more people read their columns...

Huh? There's a quote from a Disney spokesperson directly on point, not just folks saying they liked the ride. And YoHo didn't have to keep any articles--these are materials on the internet.

 

[KimmLynn]

Whoa... totally missed YoHo's links. Sorry about that one YoHo... I only saw your post after which mentioned some articles (which I thought you hadn't researched but apparently you had). Thanks for pointing that out DancingBear. I could've sworn I had read all of this thread.

I honestly can't believe there's that much controversy about this ride though. You'd think if there were truly more people who were upset over Mr. Toad being removed than indifferent they would have kept it. Personally, I hated it, but I have no desire to go on Pooh either...

Once again - Sorry I'm a loser!

 

[YoHo]

I would have been thrilled that they replaced Mr. Toad with Pooh, if Pooh had been an awesome ride like in Tokyo. Instead we got a ride that was less technologically advanced and with less to see so they could fit the store in there.


And there were a number of differences between FLorida and Anaheim. the biggestest being two tracks (thus a shorter line) and each track went through slightly different scenes in florida. The only ride in all of Disney to ever do that.

 

[dbm20th]

OK, we all know that Toad was NOT a popular ride at WDW. Is there really a need to debate this?

We also all know that Pooh IS a popular ride at WDW. Why are we debating that?

The question comes down to making money. Yes, Pooh enabled them to build a big store, full of lots of Pooh stuff. I know this may come as a shock, but there are people who are happy about that. Happy to have the store and happy to have a ride. If they are slaves to the evil corporate bad-guys...whatever. That's the way it is.

Mr. Toad had a fast moving ride system in WDW...so does Imagination. That doesn't mean its popular

 

[DancingBear]

OK, we all know that Toad was NOT a popular ride at WDW. Is there really a need to debate this?

How do "we all know" this when the only evidence anyone has presented are YoHo's articles including a Disney spokesperson saying just the opposite?

 

[MJMcBride]

How do "we all know" this when the only evidence anyone has presented are YoHo's articles including a Disney spokesperson saying just the opposite?

What's a disney person going to say. Our rides suck nobody likes them. Did that disney spokesperson say the only reason we're canning this wonderful, fabulous Mr. Toad's ride is so we can put in a Pooh store. I'm thinking not.

 

[dbm20th]

OH That's right! Now I remember. We waited hours and hours to get on that ride. In fact, Mr. Toad would probably be a FastPass ride if it were still there, like it is a Disneyland...oh wait...

Thank you, drive through please

 

[YoHo]

There were many other places to purchase pooh stuff including an entire store in the Disney marketplace. The difference is that the ride would sucker more people, kids especially into wanting pooh stuff by putting it fresh in their minds.
You know, back in the old days, there were no stores at the end of any ride, or if there were, they were off to the side. with pooh, the store is smack dab on the route out. The only more egregious example is Star Tours on both coasts.
And Imagination had fast moving lines even back when it was popular, before the dark times.



But never mind that, I'm foolish for believing articles quoting Disney reps on the subject. No, I should believe the fevered rememberings of an anonymous person on the internet who has no accountability to anyone. Don't believe that Disney rep, of course he's lying! I know the truth, because my opinion is FACT!


Of course, the irony is that I think Disney reps lie all the time, but the question is, what do they gain by claiming it was popular when it wasn't? Why would the Orlando sentinal say it was popular if it wasn't?



Oh, and as for the fast pass crack. They closed the fast passes on DL's pooh ride. Of course, the DL version is even more offensivly bad then the Florida version but still, it's pooh, surely it should rate really really long lines right?

 

[dbm20th]

Of course, the irony is that I think Disney reps lie all the time, but the question is, what do they gain by claiming it was popular when it wasn't?

You beat me to it! Yes spokespeople are probably the only thing more untrustworthy than the reporters who live and die by the information they feed them. But let's not go there...

The answer is rather simple, why claim a Disney creation is a dog and we need to replace it, when "moving forward" is so much nicer sounding.

Just out of curiosity, how many times did you wait on a long line at Mr. Toad's?

 

[YoHo]

You beat me to it! Yes spokespeople are probably the only thing more untrustworthy than the reporters who live and die by the information they feed them. But let's not go there...

The answer is rather simple, why claim a Disney creation is a dog and we need to replace it, when "moving forward" is so much nicer sounding.

Just out of curiosity, how many times did you wait on a long line at Mr. Toad's?

And yet, they're still more trustworthy then schmucks on the internet.

I've never not waited in a long line for Mr. Toad, At DL, or WDW. It was always second only to Peter Pan. So there, I've just negated your expereinces, so we're back to square one!

 

[dbm20th]

And yet, they're still more trustworthy then schmucks on the internet.

Sticks and stones, my good man. Sticks and stones.

We can have a fun debate, or you can start calling people names. Your choice. Never thought I would be insulted for not liking Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. That's a first!

 

[YoHo]

now now now, don't get a bee in your bonnet. We're all schmucks on the internet here until proven otherwise. Myself included. I'm just a schmuck who has newspaper articles backing me up.

 

[2Xited4Disney]

As I am watching/reading this debate I would like to interject for one second. You guys can argue about this all you want but as of RIGHT now the only actual REAL evidence (rather than opinions) has been the articles YOHO presented 10 or so posts ago. Initially I agreed with your point,DBM, unfortunately you have put absolutely NO evidence that supports your point... which makes me believe YOHO's point is more valid therefore being correct

 

[dbm20th]

From Mouseplanet.com http://www.mouseplanet.com/mike/ms030905.htm

Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
For years this Fantasyland attraction gave guests the opportunity to drive around in cars named after characters from The Wind in the Willows. This ride was primitive by today's standards. There were two tracks that took you through pubs, gypsies and eventually to a place that looked like a fiery Hell.

In 1999, the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh replaced Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. The updated special effects and familiar tale certainly has become a favorite for the small fry. Of course like all recently revamped attractions, Pooh empties out into a merchandise-laden area to hopefully take advantage of guests smitten with the attraction. Although some still lament the loss of Mr. Toad the majority have voted a thumbs up for this Fantasyland change.

A little bit of Yo-Ho mixed with lots of reality

 

[YoHo]

First of all, that's a Mouseplanet article from 2005 which you're using to refute 2 different articles from the time of construction.

Secondly, all that article does is confirm that Pooh is popular. It doesn't say a single thing about the popularity of toad.

Pooh being popular doesn't make Toad unpopular. You're still stuck on the false logic you and MJM have had from the beginning, that Disney would only close toad because it was unpopular. Clear your mind of that false assumption. Since everything points to it not being true.

Pooh was and is more marketable. That doesn't make Toad unpopular.

 

[dbm20th]

Let me also say this. If I had to choose between the two, I would pick Toad any day. I liked that ride and I miss it in WDW. I do, however, understand that WDW is not a museum and they wanted to incoporate Pooh to make lots of money. My point is not only that Mr. Toad was not the most popular ride in WDW, but more that Pooh has become more popular in its place.

Whether or not Yo-Ho wants to insult people who don't agree with him is fine and totally up to him, but my point was that Pooh has worked for them.