Statutory rape and Fundamentalist Mormons

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I must admit that this post was inspired by the LDS thread. I remember watching Dateline a couple of years ago and a situation was being discussed which is rampant among the Fundamentalist Mormons - polygamy. Not only do the FM men take multiple brides but they take multiple CHILD brides....some as young as 13!!! :eek:

It is very disturbing to me that these children are being abused in this way....yes, I said ABUSED. For cripes sake this is statutory rape plain and simple. :worried:

I just have to wonder why the local law enforcement agencies have not taken action against these men? :confused:

Your thoughts?


An article I found about this practice:


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/2003-03-13/news/feature.html

Bound by Fear: Polygamy in Arizona
For decades the state has let a feudal colony of fundamentalist Mormons force underage girls into illegal polygamous marriages
By John Dougherty

Published: Thursday, March 13, 2003


Lenore Holm was served eviction papers after she objected to the planned marriage of her 16-year-old daughter as the second wife to a 39-year-old man.


Who / What:
Polygamy in Arizona
Details:


Letters From the Issue of Thursday, January 5, 2006



Sixteen-year-old Ruth Stubbs wanted to marry the boy down the street.

So she revealed her desire to a religious leader, a man held in the highest esteem in her rural, isolated community straddling the Arizona-Utah border.

On a December morning four years ago, Ruth sought the advice of the Prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 88-year-old Rulon Jeffs.

Ruth asked the stroke-ridden Jeffs for permission to marry Carl Cooke, a young man she had been seeing secretly for several months.

Jeffs pondered the question for a moment and then delivered a startling pronouncement.

"Well," Jeffs said, gesturing toward Rodney Holm, a police officer who had escorted Ruth to the meeting, "I feel she belongs to you."

Ruth was stunned, but not surprised. She barely knew Holm, but what she did know was disturbing.

At 32, Holm was twice her age.

And Rodney was already married – to two women, one of whom (his first wife) is Ruth's sister, Suzie.

"Shocked, I was," Ruth told investigators from the Arizona Attorney General's Office, after relating the story of her meeting with Jeffs.

But Ruth knew such marriages were common among fundamentalist Mormons, particularly in the towns of Colorado City, Arizona, and Hildale, Utah.

In the dusty, unkempt hamlets north of the Grand Canyon and south of Zion National Park along the boundless Arizona Strip, life is controlled by a theocracy seemingly as impenetrable as the jagged El Capitan Peak that provides a dramatic backdrop for roughly 6,000 inhabitants.

The fundamentalists in control believe that their patriarchal society embracing polygamy ensures the people in their realm of reaching heaven's highest echelon. As incredible as it may seem to outsiders, they believe that men faithful to the religious doctrine will become gods and rule over a multitude of planets for eternity. Their wives – if the husbands deem them worthy – will join them in heaven as goddesses.

This fundamentalist theology is similar to that of the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The difference is that the Mormon Church publicly moved away from polygamy in 1890, although some of its leaders continued the practice into the 20th century. The mainstream church does, however, still believe in polygamy in the afterlife.

With only a sixth-grade education and little experience beyond her rural upbringing, Ruth already was deeply entrenched in polygamy. Her father had three wives, and she is one of 42 children.

Ruth also knew that most of the people in town believed the old man sitting in front of her was the most powerful man on Earth. The fundamentalist Mormons hold that their Prophet is God's only true representative.

No one dared question the decisions of the Prophet in Colorado City. To do so would bring swift ruin and eternal damnation.

Ruth quickly agreed to the sudden change in grooms.

"I just said, 'kay, you know, I'll, I'll do it," she told state investigators in January 2002 according to a 56-page transcript of the interview obtained by New Times. Ruth Stubbs declined to be interviewed for this article.

There was little time for Ruth to ponder the decision. Her wedding to a man she had never kissed, let alone dated, was scheduled for the next day, December 11, 1998.

"They didn't want me to think it over," she told state investigators.

This is not to say she didn't have second thoughts. She tried to postpone the wedding for several weeks, but her sister – who wanted Ruth to join the family to help her in a power struggle with the other wife – pressured Ruth to move forward.

"Suzie told me that the town, the whole town, already knew I was supposed to marry Rod."

To back out now would bring unbearable social repercussions in a community where the women are raised to obey men without question.

"I was afraid of the town," Ruth admitted.

The next day, with Carl sequestered by his family, Ruth went to the Prophet's massive home, which sheltered at least a dozen – some say upward of 70 – of his own wives. She was joined by Holm and his two wives.

Rodney Holm had already secured permission to marry Ruth from her polygamous father – although her mother hated the idea. Neither parent was allowed at the wedding.

If they had been there, they would have seen their daughter in a delusional state.

"I felt when I got up there that it was going to be Carl instead of Rod," Ruth recounted to investigators. "'Cause I've watched movies like that. I was really dreamy."

But Carl never appeared, and 16-year-old Ruth Stubbs was "sealed" to her 32-year-old brother-in-law by the Prophet in a "spiritual" ceremony. No marriage certificate was issued. Ruth had no right to community property. Even death was not to part them. Ruth was to be Rodney's possession for eternity.

Her marriage wasn't the only one conducted that day by the Prophet.

"At the time, [he was] marrying four or five couples a day," Ruth told the Attorney General's Office.

That evening, Rodney Holm took Ruth to the area's only motel – the Mark Twain Inn in Hildale – where his marriage to the virgin bride was consummated.

It was the beginning of a journey of physical, spiritual and mental abuse that took Ruth Stubbs to the brink of suicide.

At the time, the outlook was far brighter for Holm. He was on his way toward becoming a god in fundamentalist Mormon heaven, having acquired the crucial third wife.

He had had sexual intercourse with a girl half his age who was not his legal wife – a felony in Arizona and Utah – but that fact made no difference to the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS).

State Inaction

Ruth Stubbs is among scores of teenage girls, many of whom are underage, who have been married by fundamentalist Mormon prophets into polygamy in recent years. The tally reaches hundreds of girls over the last seven decades.

The Arizona Attorney General's Office has compiled a list of more than 40 teenage girls it suspects have been coerced into polygamy by the FLDS in the last decade, state records obtained by New Times through the Arizona Public Records Law show.

A few decades ago, the FLDS routinely married girls as young as 13 into polygamy. The practice still occurs from time to time, but the girls tend to be at least 15 these days.

The state has been conducting a broad grand jury investigation into polygamy in Colorado City since at least December 2000, but no arrests have been made. One reason is that state investigators have been unable to persuade polygamous wives to testify against their husbands.

Such wives, even if they wanted to cooperate with authorities, know that assisting the government would bring retaliation from their community.

In Colorado City, women, and men, risk losing their children, their homes, their livelihoods and – most terrifying to fundamentalist Mormons – their salvation for uttering a single negative statement about their religion.

Underage, polygamous marriages are merely a symptom of a greater problem.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Colorado City is a virtual medieval fiefdom overseen by an omnipotent Prophet who is accountable to no one but presumably God.

The FLDS is subverting a wide range of civil liberties with taxpayer assistance.

Cloaked in the legitimacy of town government and public schools, FLDS polygamists receive more than $6 million a year in public funds to support these institutions.

Through his proxies, the FLDS Prophet controls all levels of local government and the Colorado City public school board. He controls ownership of virtually all the land in town – and most of the businesses. He controls local law enforcement.

But, most important, the Prophet controls the minds of the faithful, convincing them that, if necessary, they must forgo happiness in this life for eternal bliss after death.

"We don't have minds of our own," former FLDS member and Colorado City High School science teacher DeLoy Bateman told New Times. "We are taught to follow."

Nowhere else in the United States is there a state-sanctioned town that is overwhelmingly controlled by a religion whose current leader performs polygamous marriages and who himself has anywhere from a dozen to 70 wives.
 
If you're interested in this story, you might read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. It was very interesting but disturbing.
 
ITA with you, TM2. This is child abuse. And I'm sorry, I don't think you have the right to religious freedom if in pursuing your religious freedom you abuse a child.
 
The local athorities either cannot or will not act, because they are LDS themselves, or when they do try, they can't get any witnesses or evidence. A lot of the FM live in very small towns, and all the residents in the town are FM. I have heard that the state government has been trying harder in recent years to crack down on this, but I don't know how successfull they've been.

I've also heard that the older men, in order to be able to have 8,10,12 wives, are now forcing the young boys to leave town when they hit 16 or 17, so they won't have competition. Think about it. Most areas have equal numbers of men and women, and if men are to have multiple wives, there needs to be fewer men around. So now there is a huge problem with homeless teenage boys than have been kicked out of their homes and comunities.
 

Chicago526 said:
The local athorities either cannot or will not act, because they are LDS themselves, or when they do try, they can't get any witnesses or evidence. A lot of the FM live in very small towns, and all the residents in the town are FM. I have heard that the state government has been trying harder in recent years to crack down on this, but I don't know how successfull they've been.

I've also heard that the older men, in order to be able to have 8,10,12 wives, are now forcing the young boys to leave town when they hit 16 or 17, so they won't have competition. Think about it. Most areas have equal numbers of men and women, and if men are to have multiple wives, there needs to be fewer men around. So now there is a huge problem with homeless teenage boys than have been kicked out of their homes and comunities.


I've heard this too. Those poor little girls.....
 
NMAmy said:
If you're interested in this story, you might read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer. It was very interesting but disturbing.


Yes, good book.

They not only force these young girls to marry, they often force them to marry their step-fathers and biological uncles. It's sick and wrong. Of course, often times the girls "consent" to these marriages because they beleive that is what God has ordained.
 
alliecats said:
ITA with you, TM2. This is child abuse. And I'm sorry, I don't think you have the right to religious freedom if in pursuing your religious freedom you abuse a child.

::yes::
 
Just for the record, the LDS church does not recognize "Fundamentalist Mormons". The LDS and fundamentalist "Mormons" are two very different groups.
 
I also recommend reading "Under the Banner of Heaven". It's a fascinating book which explains a lot about the FLDS group.
 
tiggersmom2 said:
I just have to wonder why the local law enforcement agencies have not taken action against these men? :confused:

There has been a lot of action taken in the two years since that article. It is a very difficult process for the Attorneys General of Utah and Arizona when very few community members are willing to testify to the crimes. Here is what has been done:
http://www.azag.gov/press_releases/july/2005/071305.html
1. Warren Jeffs was indicted in June on one count of sexual conduct with a minor and one count of conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor. Both are class 6 felonies, and if convicted, Jeffs' could face anywhere from four months to two years in prison. He is now a fugitive and there is a $10,000 reward for his capture.

2. Indictment of Eight Colorado City Men: The Mohave County Attorney secured indictments against eight other Colorado City men in the past month on charges of sexual conduct with a minor, conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor and sexual assault. The eight men have made their initial appearances in Mohave Superior Court, and all posted bond.

3. United Effort Plan Trust: The Utah Superior Court suspended the control of UEP trustees, including Warren Jeffs, and appointed a receiver who will inventory the trust assets. The trust has been estimated at more than $100 million and includes extensive land holdings, homes and businesses in the Colorado City area. The Utah court is preparing for a hearing to consider placing new trustees in charge to ensure the interests of the trust’s beneficiaries are protected.

4. School Receivership Law (HB 2417): The Attorney General’s Office championed legislation enacted this year that allows the State Board of Education to place school districts in receivership if they are being financially mismanaged. The new law goes into effect in August, and the AG’s Office is preparing a petition to present then to put the Colorado City Unified School District in receivership.

5. Colorado City School District Search Warrant : The Attorney General’s Office served a criminal search warrant on the Colorado City Unified School District on May 24, taking into custody many boxes of financial records, other documents and computer equipment. The district bounced paychecks to teachers last year and faces a large deficit this year. The records were taken as part of an ongoing investigation of the district’s finances and also to ensure they would not disappear before the district is placed in receivership.

6. Decertification of Colorado City Police Officers: The Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board (AZPost) will hold a hearing in August to determine if two members of the Colorado City Marshall’s office will keep their peace officers’ certifications. Colorado City Town Marshal Sam Roundy and Officer Vance Barlow were decertified by the Utah Post in March 2005, and charges have been filed in Arizona against both officers based on Utah decertification cases.
 
Thanks for posting that Calliaz :) , thank goodness they are doing something now. I know it is too little too late for many of those children but maybe it will deter some of the pedophiles from preying on other children.


I know there is supposed to be a huge 3 part series on this soon....maybe if more people are made aware of this vile situation and it is in the media, law enforcement will be even more successful in their endeavors.
 
Just for the record, the LDS church does not recognize "Fundamentalist Mormons". The LDS and fundamentalist "Mormons" are two very different groups.

I also have to agree with you because the lds church does not support or tolerate such behaviour in the church they are two very very different groups but people can hear one phrase and they automatically connect it to the Lds church.
 
I think there are many places in the world where 13 year olds marry. It wasn't THAT long ago that 16 year olds married here.

If the parents are fine with it, I am too.

I don't think its a good thing and wouldn't allow my daughter to marry...and I think that DH would literally kill any man who tried to...um...sleep with her. But if that's how they want to live, I don't see as how it is any of my business.

But, that's me.
 
I also have to agree with you because the lds church does not support or tolerate such behaviour in the church they are two very very different groups but people can hear one phrase and they automatically connect it to the Lds church.

Yes. It's a very sad thing. When somebody tells other people they are LDS people give them quite a few looks. They judge too quick. I feel really bad for some of my friends.
 
I do agree it's abuse but it's interesting that people only point at Mormans when actually most religions used to have this as a common practice. I imagine that it came from the idea that when girls start having their cycle it means God was ready for them to be mothers. In fact if you believe that God created people with a purpose then why do that if they shouldn't be mothers at a young age? Anyway, it wasn't that long ago that it was normal for girls to get married younger than 18.
 
There has been a lot of action taken in the two years since that article. It is a very difficult process for the Attorneys General of Utah and Arizona when very few community members are willing to testify to the crimes. Here is what has been done:
http://www.azag.gov/press_releases/july/2005/071305.html
1. Warren Jeffs was indicted in June on one count of sexual conduct with a minor and one count of conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor. Both are class 6 felonies, and if convicted, Jeffs' could face anywhere from four months to two years in prison. He is now a fugitive and there is a $10,000 reward for his capture.

Warren Jeffs was captured in Nevada a few months ago and is in jail awaiting trail (and fighting extradition, IIRC). I don't have a link to his arrest but if you google it, you will find lots of information about him. He was the ringleader of the group and I'm hoping with him gone, some of these poor girls will be able to get out of this awful situation.
 
When I was in the military, I read up on those country "fact sheets" prepared by the State Department. The legal marrying age in Saudi Arabia is 9 yrs. old!! I believe the other country that has the same age is Iran; there are possibly more that have the same law but I can't remember. The reason it is 9 yrs. old is b/c of some legend/story/myth, whatever you want to call it, about Mohammed. Apparently, some guy was really pleased/grateful/happy with Mohammed and he gave him a gift; his 9 yr. old daughter's hand in marriage. Mohammed of course was "gracious" enough to wait until her menses started before consumating the union. I do not believe in marrying that young, especially when the man is old enough to be the girls father or grandfather. I know girls used to marry younger, when life expectancy was lower, but their spouses were also younger, so atleast it was matched. Also, kids back then had to grow up a lot faster than kids nowadays do. So, they were not only physically ready, but emotionally ready as well, which is a major factor.
 
I have a question that I suppose may get me flamed, but I am really curious. I don't have any close friends of the Mormon faith, or I would ask them. As I understand it, the Mormon faith believes in The Book of Mormon, written by Joesph Smith, in addition to the Bible. As a member of, let's call it, mainsteamed Christian faith (I'm United Methodist), I believe in the Bible, all of it. To quote a popular phrase, "If Jesus said it, I believe it." If Mormons feel the same way about the book of Mormon...and if Joseph Smith said that plural marriage is not only desirable, but required, then how do non-fundamental Mormons explain following only SOME of his teachings? I've wondered about this for some time and I'm really not trying to stir this pot. I'm just curious.
 
I've seen a few shows on it,its reaaly sad.

I didnt hear that warren Jeffs was arrested,its about time.

One thing that I do have to say about the Fundamentalist mormons,there considered the break off group of mormons and are not reconized by the LDS church but there following what Joseph smith taught and there living the way the first mormons did.
 
I have a question that I suppose may get me flamed, but I am really curious. I don't have any close friends of the Mormon faith, or I would ask them. As I understand it, the Mormon faith believes in The Book of Mormon, written by Joesph Smith, in addition to the Bible. As a member of, let's call it, mainsteamed Christian faith (I'm United Methodist), I believe in the Bible, all of it. To quote a popular phrase, "If Jesus said it, I believe it." If Mormons feel the same way about the book of Mormon...and if Joseph Smith said that plural marriage is not only desirable, but required, then how do non-fundamental Mormons explain following only SOME of his teachings? I've wondered about this for some time and I'm really not trying to stir this pot. I'm just curious.

I'll probably get flamed for this but if you look through momon history,they are always changing what they believe.They believe that there is always a living prophet,that prophet is the leader of the mormon church.Whoever is the head of the church can change any belief they want.They also edit mormon history.
 


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