Star Wars Tales Of The Arcolyte

[BrianL]

LOL then that would have been a very short show... kinda like Anisaya leading with Osha can go be a Jedi... could have should have....

Well, yeah. I 'm not criticising the narrative. I don't have a problem with the Jedi making those mistakes. I'm just not going to characterize them as standing by their friends and team considering what they'd been up to.

 

[gsdweller]

Either way, regardless of how you feel about how many Jedi end up spineless weanies, this show was just flat out bad. Not worth a second season.

 

[Boski]

I am speaking about the Jedi in the Acolyte as the statement to which I was responding was that no one in the Acolyte did that... being brave and support the team.... And I was disagreeing. You may not like the motivations but all of the people who died... with the exception of the witches .... were Jedi... and even then the witches died bravely fighting for their lifestyle. Osha was not a Jedi, and she lived. But the Jedi who died... they died fighting for their friends, trying to apprehend the people who killed Jedi or being attacked due to supporting their friends.

The 2nd Jedi team died bravely, that first team not so much. Especially Tommen and Kelnacca.

 

[Suger Mag]

The 2nd Jedi team died bravely, that first team not so much. Especially Tommen and Kelnacca.

I wish they had showed that fight with Qmir and Kelnacca , the one with Kelnacca and Torbin was fun. I was thinking it was interesting how in GOT Tommen committed suicide and Torbin too.

 

[Kit Jackson]

This show was bad at every turn. It was right in line with all the terrible animated films they have pit out lately. A second season will be a nightmare for them financially. Hopefully it will just fade away and be forgotten just like the Christmas special.

I will defend the Christmas/Holiday special. It is awesomely bad while this series is just plain bad and poorly written. The Holiday Special has the rare train wreck quality of you can't look, but you can't look away. It also has a certain camp appeal and is very much a 1970s period piece.

Unfortunately she had to clean up the mess created by Torbin and Sol who set off and attacked and burned the place down. After that happened she was faced with a bad or a worse decision... abandon Osha and Sol.... or tell a partial truth.

This to me would be the start of a better series than what we actually watched. There are multiple ways to do it/multiple directions it could go in, but it amounts to Jedi Conspiracy Thriller. Give me a Jedi version of Serpico. Show me the one honest person on the inside fighting against the corruption. Give me All the President's Men and Spotlight. Show me someone on the outside slowly becoming aware that things are not what they seem and that a trusted beloved institution is corrupt and involved in a cover-up.

 

[nancipants]

Either way, regardless of how you feel about how many Jedi end up spineless weanies, this show was just flat out bad. Not worth a second season.

There has been much, much, much worse Star Wars than The Acolyte.

I feel like the show floundered a bit during the first season, but I definitely want a second season, because things were starting to get really interesting with the Senate inquiry into the Jedi (more of that Senator, please!). I also want to know what is going on with you-know-who.

 

[gsdweller]

I don't really have a problem with a few bumbling, self serving Jedi. The shear number of Bozo Jedi in this series is a bit much though. The other problem I have with so many Bozo Jedi is that it implies that Yoda was unaware, making him their bumbling, unknowing, out of touch leader for hundreds and hundreds of years. I don't see him that way.

 

[Suger Mag]

There has been much, much, much worse Star Wars than The Acolyte.

I feel like the show floundered a bit during the first season, but I definitely want a second season, because things were starting to get really interesting with the Senate inquiry into the Jedi (more of that Senator, please!). I also want to know what is going on with you-know-who.

yes I would watch a second season. I am interested in the Sith story much more that Osha/Mae

 

[Kit Jackson]

I don't really have a problem with a few bumbling, self serving Jedi. The shear number of Bozo Jedi in this series is a bit much though. The other problem I have with so many Bozo Jedi is that it implies that Yoda was unaware, making him their bumbling, unknowing, out of touch leader for hundreds and hundreds of years. I don't see him that way.

Now I'm picturing Yoda as "The Big Man" Mr. Carlson from WKRP in Cincinnati or Jimmy James from NewsRadio. It's not a good look and it doesn't work for the character.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

There has been much, much, much worse Star Wars than The Acolyte.

I can’t think of anything in the last 30 years.

 

[nancipants]

We are talking about the same Yoda who totally messed up with Anakin and Palpatine, right?

 

[BrianL]

I don't really have a problem with a few bumbling, self serving Jedi. The shear number of Bozo Jedi in this series is a bit much though. The other problem I have with so many Bozo Jedi is that it implies that Yoda was unaware, making him their bumbling, unknowing, out of touch leader for hundreds and hundreds of years. I don't see him that way.

There's really only one who's a bumbler - Torbin. The others are highly skilled Jedi. Sol made a good-faith mistake and then went along with a cover-up, which was definitely a mistake but doesn't make them idiots or anything. They got away with it for years! Plus there are thousands of Jedi at this time - Yoda can't watch them all, nor is he the exclusive "boss" or anything.

 

[Kit Jackson]

I can’t think of anything in the last 30 years.

If we are using 30 years that gives us 1994 as the start date (which I'm okay with). I can come up with things on par with or worse than The Acolyte with 1994 as the starting point (anything released after 1994 is fair game). The Phantom Menace for starters because aside from bits of the score, the movie is pretty awful. ("Duel of the Fates" is awesome but not enough to redeem the entire movie). I remember coming out of the theatre thinking, maybe the next will be better. I also had the same thought with Attack of the Clones but for different reasons.

While the sequel trilogy was flawed, after watching The Force Awakens, I thought the new trilogy was at least off to a decent start. The Last Jedi was a giant narrative mess and Rise of Skywalker doesn't follow logically after The Last Jedi. It feels like there's a missing movie/story between the two that the filmmakers were aware of but the audience didn't see.

Book of Boba Fett was incredibly unfocused. It felt like a series of back-door pilots for other shows in the Star Wars franchise. It couldn't make up its mind what it wanted to be. Both series (Book of Boba Fett and The Acolyte) have the same issue of good idea, poor execution, but I think the execution of The Acolyte was slightly better (but only by a little). There was at least a clear narrative through-line in The Acolyte. It felt like Book of Boba Fett became a completely different series halfway through the season (We now pause our regularly scheduled Boba Fett to bring you a two hour episode of The Mandalorian). After that interlude, Book of Boba Fett became almost a completely different show. That did not happen with The Acolyte.

 

[BrianL]

If we are using 30 years that gives us 1994 as the start date (which I'm okay with). I can come up with things on par with or worse than The Acolyte with 1994 as the starting point (anything released after 1994 is fair game). The Phantom Menace for starters because aside from bits of the score, the movie is pretty awful. ("Duel of the Fates" is awesome but not enough to redeem the entire movie). I remember coming out of the theatre thinking, maybe the next will be better. I also had the same thought with Attack of the Clones but for different reasons.

While the sequel trilogy was flawed, after watching The Force Awakens, I thought the new trilogy was at least off to a decent start. The Last Jedi was a giant narrative mess and Rise of Skywalker doesn't follow logically after The Last Jedi. It feels like there's a missing movie/story between the two that the filmmakers were aware of but the audience didn't see.

Book of Boba Fett was incredibly unfocused. It felt like a series of back-door pilots for other shows in the Star Wars franchise. It couldn't make up its mind what it wanted to be. Both series (Book of Boba Fett and The Acolyte) have the same issue of good idea, poor execution, but I think the execution of The Acolyte was slightly better (but only by a little). There was at least a clear narrative through-line in The Acolyte. It felt like Book of Boba Fett became a completely different series halfway through the season (We now pause our regularly scheduled Boba Fett to bring you a two hour episode of The Mandalorian). After that interlude, Book of Boba Fett became almost a completely different show. That did not happen with The Acolyte.

You know, weirdly, as much as I am generally defending the show as being fine, I am not sure I can think of any Star Wars that was actually worse. I like all of those things you named better. I mean, Episode I is peak Star Wars for me so.... And that's not to say I didn't enjoy The Acolyte, but it is on the lower side of the Star Wars spectrum for me. I might revise that if it gets a second season that provides satisfactory closure.

 

[Kit Jackson]

You know, weirdly, as much as I am generally defending the show as being fine, I am not sure I can think of any Star Wars that was actually worse. I like all of those things you named better. I mean, Episode I is peak Star Wars for me so.... And that's not to say I didn't enjoy The Acolyte, but it is on the lower side of the Star Wars spectrum for me. I might revise that if it gets a second season that provides satisfactory closure.

What I'm hoping is that it is like another series that had a weak season 1 focused on the least interesting character, but then season 2 was vastly improved because the weak character was no longer the main focus.

(In case anyone is wondering, The Gilded Age. I understand why Marian Brook was the focus of season 1. She is new to the world of Gilded Age New York City so it's very easy for other characters to explain things to her about how this society works as a proxy for explaining it to the audience. However, I found the character weak and kind of boring. I loved the second season focused on the Opera War. I never expected to get so emotionally involved with what amounts to petty rich people nonsense).

 

[BrianL]

What I'm hoping is that it is like another series that had a weak season 1 focused on the least interesting character, but then season 2 was vastly improved because the weak character was no longer the main focus.

(In case anyone is wondering, The Gilded Age. I understand why Marian Brook was the focus of season 1. She is new to the world of Gilded Age New York City so it's very easy for other characters to explain things to her about how this society works as a proxy for explaining it to the audience. However, I found the character weak and kind of boring. I loved the second season focused on the Opera War. I never expected to get so emotionally involved with what amounts to petty rich people nonsense).

Yeah, like I said, I would like a season 2, but with a bit of retooling. I think it could redeem th eweaker aspects of S1 if done right.

 

[gsdweller]

There's really only one who's a bumbler - Torbin. The otherss are highly skilled Jedi.

When 6 of them can't defeat one other bad guy, they are not highly skilled.

 

[gsdweller]

We are talking about the same Yoda who totally messed up with Anakin and Palpatine, right?

Yoda never wanted Anakin. Then once he realized how pathetic the Jedi had become, he offered them up on a plate to be destroyed. I guess he was a bit of a bumbler after all.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

You know, weirdly, as much as I am generally defending the show as being fine, I am not sure I can think of any Star Wars that was actually worse. I like all of those things you named better. I mean, Episode I is peak Star Wars for me so.... And that's not to say I didn't enjoy The Acolyte, but it is on the lower side of the Star Wars spectrum for me. I might revise that if it gets a second season that provides satisfactory closure.

Finally coming around I see. Remember when I told you a year ago this would not be good? Yeah, fun times.

 

[BrianL]

Finally coming around I see. Remember when I told you a year ago this would not be good? Yeah, fun times.

Yeah, but I didn't say it wasn't good. It was good and I generally enjoyed it. It just wasn't great and is on the lower end of Star Wars content for me. Star Wars content is still generally better than most other things. I do really feel that it needs a follow up to truly sew up the story - and I hope we get it.