Star Tours 2.0

[rcortese711]

First off, a slight factual error in your argument. Star Wars was not a book before it was a movie. Any books were based off of the movie franchise. Lucas wrote the story himself; it was written in script form. The first film, Episode 4 or A New Hope, was adapted into a novel to cash in on the craze. The same can be said of the other films.

A series of novels then popped up. While they are authorized by Lucasfilm, they are not canon. In other words, these novels do not represent the official story line.

As for The Clone Wars, I agree that it kind of stinks, but the young generation really enjoys the show. My DS8 really loves it. He collects the Lego sets based on the series and he knows all of the characters. Lucas has stated that The Clone Wars is canonical.

I teach high school. Each year, I proudly display my Darth Tater figure. While the students know who Darth Vader is, they do not know many of the other characters. I ask each year: "How many of you have seen Star Wars?" In a class of thirty, only about three will raise their hands. That's it. Sad, but true.

I think it would be a mistake to change to a Clone Wars theme, but as a younger generation of Star Wars fans starts to visit WDW, it may find Clone Wars stories more familiar that the raid on the Death Star. I'm guessing that Disney knows this trend. We may very well see one of the random versions follow a plot from The Clone Wars.

Interesting take on it. I have only viewed the Clone Wars a couple times, and each time I shudder. As much as I think they want to appeal to the younger generation, I can only beg and hope they won't incorporate Clone Wars into the ride. The Clone Wars, IMHO, is almost as bad as the Star Wars: Holiday Special . I said almost...... almost.....

 

[yitbos96bb]

I've heard that they are changing the movie to be more along the lines of Episodes 1,2,3 storylines. Trying to appeal to the younger fans, I guess.

The other rumor I heard was that there will be 8-10 different sequences for the Beginning middle and end films and they will randomly choose one from each grouping... so will create a LOT of different rides. if this is true, it would be AWESOME and really smart.

 

[yitbos96bb]

First off, a slight factual error in your argument. Star Wars was not a book before it was a movie. Any books were based off of the movie franchise. Lucas wrote the story himself; it was written in script form. The first film, Episode 4 or A New Hope, was adapted into a novel to cash in on the craze. The same can be said of the other films.

A series of novels then popped up. While they are authorized by Lucasfilm, they are not canon. In other words, these novels do not represent the official story line.

As for The Clone Wars, I agree that it kind of stinks, but the young generation really enjoys the show. My DS8 really loves it. He collects the Lego sets based on the series and he knows all of the characters. Lucas has stated that The Clone Wars is canonical.

I teach high school. Each year, I proudly display my Darth Tater figure. While the students know who Darth Vader is, they do not know many of the other characters. I ask each year: "How many of you have seen Star Wars?" In a class of thirty, only about three will raise their hands. That's it. Sad, but true.

I think it would be a mistake to change to a Clone Wars theme, but as a younger generation of Star Wars fans starts to visit WDW, it may find Clone Wars stories more familiar that the raid on the Death Star. I'm guessing that Disney knows this trend. We may very well see one of the random versions follow a plot from The Clone Wars.

Actually, you are mistaken. The novels are not part of G Canon, but they are part of C-Canon. That's the thing with Star Wars, there are 5 different categories of Canon each in order of importance... so if there is a contradiction, the higher level canon wins. This does NOT mean the books, etc. are not non-canonical... The layers are...G-Canon which is George Lucas Canon, Then T-Canon which is television canon and covers the Clone Wars Series and the Future Live Action series, C-Canon which is all current works under the Star Wars name, S canon which can be used or ignored... this is mostly older stuff and N-Canon which is non-canonical What-If types. But the books and other stuff ARE CANONICAL... they just rank below the Film and TV canons.

 

[jheigl]

I wonder why Disney is always changing everything for the younger generations. Granted, most families take their kids when they are young, but the adults pay for admission and such and most adults love WDW as much, or more, than the kids. You would think Disney would want to appeal to adults as much as kids!!!

 

[mitros]

I wonder why Disney is always changing everything for the younger generations. Granted, most families take their kids when they are young, but the adults pay for admission and such and most adults love WDW as much, or more, than the kids. You would think Disney would want to appeal to adults as much as kids!!!

Good point. Walt wanted the FAMILY to enjoy his park. I'm sure everyone remembers Walt saying that he wanted a place where both children and adults have a good time together.

 

[jheigl]

Good point. Walt wanted the FAMILY to enjoy his park. I'm sure everyone remembers Walt saying that he wanted a place where both children and adults have a good time together.

Right on . Also, if they make everything too kid oriented and themed, adults won't have a great time (or as great of a time)! For some of us who were there as kids, having some of the older stuff there reminds us of our childhood and that's a pretty good thing (at least for me)!

 

[WDWBlaze]

I wonder why Disney is always changing everything for the younger generations. Granted, most families take their kids when they are young, but the adults pay for admission and such and most adults love WDW as much, or more, than the kids. You would think Disney would want to appeal to adults as much as kids!!!

They do this because one day those kids will be the adults buying the tickets. Adult that will come back based on their childhood memories. Only to find out that Disney has updated to fit that generation's children that will one day become adults that buy tickets.

It is an "evil" cycle.

 

[Experiment_626]

A couple of further misconceptions to clear up here.

First, the novelization of Episode IV was released prior to the film. This was done to garner a little respect among sci-fi fans and to drum up interest in the film. The novel was based on a not-quite-final shooting script -- in the book, for example, the fighter group that includes Luke for the final battle is coded blue instead of red, so Luke's callsign is "Blue Five." The original plan was for the X-wings to have blue trim in the film, but that didn't work with the bluescreen shooting used for filming visual effects, so it got changed (even in the finished film, in some shots R2-D2 has black trim instead of blue to avoid this conflict).

I seriously doubt that the look of Star Tours will be altered to match Clone Wars. It would be too much of a stylistic clash with the queue and the rest of the attraction's look, which emulates the live action films. But some of you are selling Clone Wars short. It isn't as "kiddie"-oriented as some of you seem to think. Some episodes have a lighter touch, and some don't. There is actually a fairly broad stylistic range to the tone of the series -- it rewards continued viewing. Lots of the hard-core fans I know were skeptical at first but have come to enjoy it.

SSB

 

[Justin the Hook]

I recall that in one of the movies and books it was mentioned that there are only ever two Sith at a time, a master and an apprentice. So the emperor and maul was episode one. The emperor and dooku was episode two, the clone wars. Asajj Ventress isn't meant to be.

I will GEEK this up a little more and agree with you on almost everything, but Your statement about there are only 2 is correct, but Ventress wasn't a Sith yet, just an apprentice. She claimed to be one but wasn't, it is the same with The Force Unleased. Starkiller was Vader's apprentice not an actual Sith yet so there were still only 2. This is also why Sith's are different than Jedi. They have fear that at anytime they can be overthrown by someone else, where the Jedi live in harmony. Fear is the path to the Dark Side!

Also Lucas has said on many occasions that Star Wars will never end. He created a universe that is so expansive that has so many characters, planets, and stories that it will go on forever. So everyone that has something to add to the universe is welcome.

My thoughts are that Lucas will at some point sell the rights to Star Wars to another party that will continue to grow the universe. Disney, in my opinion, would be the best fit. Since Lucas has had a relationship with them since he made A New Hope.

 

[Experiment_626]

My thoughts are that Lucas will at some point sell the rights to Star Wars to another party that will continue to grow the universe.

I seriously doubt he will ever do that, as long as he lives. He can accomplish the same thing through licensing. Plus, he has always guarded the rights to Star Wars -- it was a stroke of genius, or at least incredible good luck that he held the merchandising rights from day one. I don't think he would ever sell that for any amount of money.

SSB

 

[Justin the Hook]

I seriously doubt he will ever do that, as long as he lives. He can accomplish the same thing through licensing. Plus, he has always guarded the rights to Star Wars -- it was a stroke of genius, or at least incredible good luck that he held the merchandising rights from day one. I don't think he would ever sell that for any amount of money.

SSB

The same was said when Jim Henson sold off the Muppets. I am a huge SW fan and Lucas is getting up there in age. I could see this happening because he wants it to go on and would want someone to run it and not run it into the ground!

 

[PinkBudgie]

According to Al Lutz on Miceage, who has a knack for picking up hints of things to come from inside sources, has Star Tours 2.0 set to open at DLR in 2011. I tried to find the article where he discussed it but can't remember where it was. It had something to with a deal between DLR and WDW to split the cost and bring 2.0 to both parks. Then WDW backed out and didn't want to pay for it which left DLR holding the bag. I'm not sure if DLR ended up making a deal with the DL Tokyo and then I think WDW got back in. I'm not terribly clear on what the final deal was supposed to be. While I can't confirm all this, he has a good track record for getting the inside scoop.

I've been wishing for this for years. Not because I think they need a new show for new kids, but because the old film looks old. I don't feel like I'm really there anymore because of all the little scratches in the film and because I know exactly what will happen next. It isn't a surprise anymore.

 

[DizCaptain]

According to Al Lutz on Miceage, who has a knack for picking up hints of things to come from inside sources, has Star Tours 2.0 set to open at DLR in 2011. I tried to find the article where he discussed it but can't remember where it was. It had something to with a deal between DLR and WDW to split the cost and bring 2.0 to both parks. Then WDW backed out and didn't want to pay for it which left DLR holding the bag. I'm not sure if DLR ended up making a deal with the DL Tokyo and then I think WDW got back in. I'm not terribly clear on what the final deal was supposed to be. While I can't confirm all this, he has a good track record for getting the inside scoop.

I've been wishing for this for years. Not because I think they need a new show for new kids, but because the old film looks old. I don't feel like I'm really there anymore because of all the little scratches in the film and because I know exactly what will happen next. It isn't a surprise anymore.

The parks arent by separate ownership so how can WDW "back out"? Im assuming you mean Disney decided to only spend money renovating DLR instead of WDW for whatever reason. I dont see how each individual park makes deals with the other when theyre all Disney parks.

 

[pixiewings71]

The parks arent by separate ownership so how can WDW "back out"? Im assuming you mean Disney decided to only spend money renovating DLR instead of WDW for whatever reason. I dont see how each individual park makes deals with the other when theyre all Disney parks.

Pink Budgie is correct, the article she is referring was posted on the DLR website during a discussion of Star Tours 2.0.

 

[yitbos96bb]

I will GEEK this up a little more and agree with you on almost everything, but Your statement about there are only 2 is correct, but Ventress wasn't a Sith yet, just an apprentice. She claimed to be one but wasn't, it is the same with The Force Unleased. Starkiller was Vader's apprentice not an actual Sith yet so there were still only 2. This is also why Sith's are different than Jedi. They have fear that at anytime they can be overthrown by someone else, where the Jedi live in harmony. Fear is the path to the Dark Side!

Also Lucas has said on many occasions that Star Wars will never end. He created a universe that is so expansive that has so many characters, planets, and stories that it will go on forever. So everyone that has something to add to the universe is welcome.

My thoughts are that Lucas will at some point sell the rights to Star Wars to another party that will continue to grow the universe. Disney, in my opinion, would be the best fit. Since Lucas has had a relationship with them since he made A New Hope.

Well... old Sith lore from KOTOR canon shows TONS of Sith back in the day. One apprentice and master came later. I disagree with your points. Forced Unleashed and Clone Wars has many Canonical errors... or ret-cons if you want to be nice. I mean Lucas retconned a lot of the original movie canon during the Second Trilogy... After All... Leia Remembered her mother during Jedi, but she was already dead according to Sith.

The master and apprentice thing was due to secrecy... in fact, it was always expected for the apprentice to kill the master and become the master when the master got weak.

 

[yitbos96bb]

The parks arent by separate ownership so how can WDW "back out"? Im assuming you mean Disney decided to only spend money renovating DLR instead of WDW for whatever reason. I dont see how each individual park makes deals with the other when theyre all Disney parks.

I believe WDW, DLR, etc have different budgets and at times operate like independent companies. Its why Disneyland is run better and WDW has been getting the shaft... too much power with bad managers.

 

[yitbos96bb]

The same was said when Jim Henson sold off the Muppets. I am a huge SW fan and Lucas is getting up there in age. I could see this happening because he wants it to go on and would want someone to run it and not run it into the ground!

Henson never sold the muppets. He was rumored to be working on a deal to sell them to Disney 9 months before his death but it never went through and no one is 100% sure how serious the talks were although the rumor is $150 million for the whole shebang. The muppets were not sold to EM.tv until 99 or 2000 and they sold them back afterwards when their stock tanked. Disney bought the muppets in 2003... 13 years after his death

 

[Justin the Hook]

Well... old Sith lore from KOTOR canon shows TONS of Sith back in the day. One apprentice and master came later. I disagree with your points. Forced Unleashed and Clone Wars has many Canonical errors... or ret-cons if you want to be nice. I mean Lucas retconned a lot of the original movie canon during the Second Trilogy... After All... Leia Remembered her mother during Jedi, but she was already dead according to Sith.

The master and apprentice thing was due to secrecy... in fact, it was always expected for the apprentice to kill the master and become the master when the master got weak.

Leia said she remembers her mother, but just as memories. One thing that you have to remember is that Leia is force sensitive just like Luke. Leia would be connected to her mother, just as Luke was connected to Anakin. I have read almost 200 Star Wars books and read them as fiction to a non-fiction universe. What Lucas is producing is what I take as the end all of the SW Universe. So the all the movies, the clone wars, and the video games are what I consider the truth about SW. Lucas had his hand in all of this, the books weren't his or his ideas, so just good additions to someone elses take on what might or could happen. Finally, I really enjoy SW debates so lets keep it going.

 

[PinkBudgie]

The parks arent by separate ownership so how can WDW "back out"? Im assuming you mean Disney decided to only spend money renovating DLR instead of WDW for whatever reason. I dont see how each individual park makes deals with the other when theyre all Disney parks.

They are managed by different people who make decisions for their own park.

 

[EAWildman]

According to the D23 web site:

08.17.09 — Star Wars Rumor Control!
In response to inquiries from Star Wars fan sites about Storm Troopers at the D23 Expo, D23 issues the following statement: "We were contacted by the Galactic Empire and have been advised that Imperial dignitaries will be attending Disney's D23 Expo," said Steven Clark, head of D23. "As a result, a legion of Storm Troopers from the 501st Battalion will be patrolling the Anaheim Convention Center on Saturday, September 12."

Rumors indicate that there will be some sort of announcement during the Disney Parks presentation at the D23 Expo that involves Star Wars. The two most likely possibilities are: holding the next Star Wars Celebration in Orlando or the announcement of Star Tours 2.0.

I hope it's Star Tours 2.0.

Eric