Stamped concrete patio's

DebMcDonald

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I've been wanting one for awhile, and we got our tax return back, and it's sort of burning a whole in my pocket (:rotfl2:). My husband would much prefer to do something not as much fun with it, like just sitting it sit in savings, but I'm looking for thoughts and opionions from people who have them cost, what would you do different, etc.. Thanks so much for helping!
 
My friend did this around her pool area and it is a nightmare. So slippery! Obviously because of the pool.

But it looks great.

For just a patio not near water should b good. Just don't go on it in th rain.

Maybe there are other finishes? Textured more? That would have been better for her.

Have fun deciding!
 
I agree with not putting in stamped if near a pool. Very slippery. We are adding a 22ft x 16ft stained concrete non stamped patio this spring. We have quotes between $3,500 to $4,800 (Western NY area).

Spring is near and home shows are starting. I would visit a few and get some estimates. Angie's list is another source I would try.
 
Our neighbors did it and had a lot of problems getting in installed right. As for me, I can't stand the look of it out my kitchen window.
 

My understanding with it (and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong) is that it has to be maintained or resealed every year as well.
When we were comparing cost for our driveway the cost difference was astronomical. I certainly didn't like it enough to warrant an extra 10 or 15 thousand:crazy2:.
YMMV, but make sure you look into all the pros and cons. :)
 
Neighbor had it done. I sure hope it didn't cost a whole lot more than plain concerte.

They poured the concrete, smoothed it, and then 1 guy spent about an hour just before it hardened putting a huge plastic sheet down with the pattern and stamping it. If it cost them most than about an hours pay more than plain concrete, they got ripped off. This was for what I would consider to be a normal sized driveeway.

Why would you seal concrete?
 
When I sold pools and spas (many moons ago now), we had a contractor that we would recommend. His work was beautiful and got lots of compliments. We had a portfolio of his work provided by clients.

We had another contractor in town that was dreadful and we heard lots of complaints about him. He was cheaper though so many were lured in by his prices.

The texture does affect how slippery it is. Ask around for a reputable person. Expensive isn't always better, but sometimes you get what you pay for.
 
We did it around our hot tub and I think it looks wonderful. I do admit it is a little slippery sometimes.
 
When I sold pools and spas (many moons ago now), we had a contractor that we would recommend. His work was beautiful and got lots of compliments. We had a portfolio of his work provided by clients.

We had another contractor in town that was dreadful and we heard lots of complaints about him. He was cheaper though so many were lured in by his prices.

The texture does affect how slippery it is. Ask around for a reputable person. Expensive isn't always better, but sometimes you get what you pay for.
We're interested in putting in a pool, and we were talking about stamped concrete. I thought you could "put something into the concrete" (?) to give it some texture /make it less slippery. Are there any specific words we should use to be sure of what we're getting? Any brands of "texture stuff"?
 
I just got regular concrete. It does the job and looks fine. Plantings around the pool are more important. Try to make it feel green and lush: don't put tons of gravel around the border with a plant spaced here and there. I hate that.
 
We love ours...but it is definitely slippery when wet. I mean really slippery...there is no way I would put it around a pool. It needs resealed every couple of years. It is the sealant that makes it slippery so I am not sure how a texture would counter that. I notice that right after the sealant is applied is when it is the most slippery.
 
We have a stamped concrete patio in our backyard but no pool. We love it, but it can get slippery when wet.
 
I work (as an architectural designer) for a construction company that is known for decorative concrete. We don't normally do residential projects, but we do "estates" (read: upwards of $1 mil on hardscape and landscape).

So, I will break it down for you. Cost, design/type (sealer, color, saw cuts/joints, maintenance).

Cost - In our area (the midwest), decorative concrete would cost $10-12/square foot, installed by union contractors. You can almost always find one of those same guys who will do it on the side for a bit of savings, but you won't have the reputation of the company (or insurance) standing behind their work.

design/type - there are different types of decorative concrete. the one you mentioned was stamped concrete, which yes, can be slippery. The main thing that makes it so slick is the sealer you use.
Sealer is put on to initially help in curing and to help "protect" your concrete, increasing longevity by protecting from the elements, such as salt, freeze/thaw, and UV (which can deteriorate not the concrete, but the color). There are 2 types of sealer (well, a TON more, but I'm explaining basics here): penetrating and film-forming. A penetrating sealer will "soak in" and give a matte finish. After it's dry, it many times, doesn't look like it's been sealed. The other kind is a film forming (also known as high solids) type. This kind sits on top and protects everything underneath is, much as a nail polish's top-coat. When dry, it will give glossy-ish finish (varying degrees depending on brand and formula)and enhance color, making more vibrant and giving it a wet-look. You can make it less slippery by adding a texturizer, such as "Shark-Grip".
Color: there are two main ways to color your concrete - stain and integral color. Most people use stains and then seal them in. This is the most economical. But as the top surface is worn, color wears off with it, exposing the regular "gray" concrete underneath. In unfortunate circumstances, if the sealer is incorrectly applied, the stain might flake off. If the concrete itself is "bad" (wrong mix, etc) and has pop-outs (where stones pop off the top, leaving pock marks), the grey concrete will be exposed, as the pop-out will have taken the surface-applied stain with it. If your concrete was properly installed, and maintenance is kept up, then this should keep the same look for years and years. One last thing about stains - the type they use and the surrounding area should be taken into consideration. We've seen where (other) installers used acid stains, and then used the chemicals needed to stop the reaction (we use plain old baking soda). Problem was when they rinsed them off, the chemicals ran off the edges of the driveways, into the grass. Homeowners could not get grass or any plants to grow there for years, and just figured it was "bad soil" or something. No, it was contaminated soil. We took that out and replaced it with fresh topsoil and it was good as new. The other type is Integral color, which can add as much as $100/cubic yard. in this method, color is mixed throughout the concrete, so if it wears, cracks, or pops out, color is consistent, not drawing the eye to the imperfection. If maintenance might be spotty, I would recommend this route, as it'll keep it's look for far longer with less work. There are ways to get around the cost difference (use the colored concrete for the top few inches instead of all the way through, and you save the $ for the color on the base inches), but all of those should be discussed with your installer. If they are not familiar with those methods, they can lead to disastrous results. Both the types of color can be enhanced with shake on colors (sometimes containing hardeners) to create a more dimensional look.

Saw-cuts/joints - joints are placed in concrete to give the concrete a suggested place to crack. Because it will, no matter what you do, crack. Joints are placed every 6-12 feet, depending on lots of design factors. The installers will either make indentions while the concrete is wet (joints), use them as pouring start/stop points in their forms (also a joint, but a cold joint) and will put expanding foam in between, or may cut them after the concrete has cured (cuts, or saw cuts). Many designers can use the joints in a pattern (like a sidewalk "square"). We have used them as curves and lines to make pictures - we did a job at a high school and made their mascot, a wildcat - it looked awesome! , create designs, delineate different types of textures, stamps, etc. Imagine joints or saw cuts as your black marker when a cartoon is drawn. Then concrete acts as the markers to color in between the lines.

Maintenance - concrete is as close to maintenance free as you're going to get for a hardscape. You may need to powerwash and seal it every few years to preserve the look of a stain, or even restain and reseal. It depends on your design and installation. Installed properly, it will never need the type of attention that say a wood deck or paver patio (having to sweep in new sand in the joints) or an asphalt drive would have.

Obviously, I work with this stuff day in and day out, and if you can't tell from my examples, we are called in often to "fix" a problem installation from someone else's screw up. Done right, concrete can last upwards of 25 years.

last piece of advice: if going with concrete, decorative or otherwise, please, please PLEASE hire someone that has experience! There are so many people that have a pickup truck and will rent the stamps and buy the concrete. Yeah, they CAN do it, but it doesn't mean they should. Ask for references, and ask to GO see places they've installed. Look for pop-outs, cracks, sloping. Look for consistency in the stamp pattern (depth, not blurry), and also variation in direction (so it's not the same thing over and over and over in the exact same repeating pattern... most stamps are made to fit in more than one way so the patio can look varied, not cookie cutter.). Ask previous clients if they were happy with the work, how clean they left the jobsite, how the follow-up and maintenance has been. in short, if they've never done it before, DO NOT be their guinnea pig - it's too $$$ of an investment for something that "might" turn out ok.

Any questions - feel free to ask!

Sorry so long, but I was trying to arm you with proper info.
 
DH is a mason, and very artistic, but even he tries to talk clients out of stamped and/or colored concrete. To find a mason who does it really well (aka takes his time, lays it out so it looks nice, pays attention to detail) is going to be $$$, and weather/time/maintenance will definately affect it. Coloring is the same way, to a certain extent. In northern/harsh climates, it will often fade and streak.

Concrete is something you'll have for a looooong time, so I always think its better to play it conservative, rather than trendy....

Terri
 
hops&dreams gave great advice regarding do's and don'ts so I do not have much to add to that! We live in MI and did ours in 2011 and are still VERY happy with it a couple years later. It looks TONS better than our old ratty deck we took off. :thumbsup2 Definitely do your research before choosing a company and get some references and see their past work. Unlike tvguy, ours took an entire LONG day, the guys were here until after dark in the summer. Actually, I think it was 2 days total because there was prep the first day.

Here's when it was first done (so our siding isn't fixed where the deck was taken off and grass hadn't been reseeded):
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We also encased our fire pit and put a small pad in front of our shed:
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This is what it replaced:
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hops&dreams gave great advice regarding do's and don'ts so I do not have much to add to that! We live in MI and did ours in 2011 and are still VERY happy with it a couple years later. It looks TONS better than our old ratty deck we took off. :thumbsup2 Definitely do your research before choosing a company and get some references and see their past work. Unlike tvguy, ours took an entire LONG day, the guys were here until after dark in the summer. Actually, I think it was 2 days total because there was prep the first day.

Here's when it was first done (so our siding isn't fixed where the deck was taken off and grass hadn't been reseeded):

That looks terrific!!! That Ashlar Slate pattern is a very popular one and really holds up well over the years. Same with the texture skin used on your fire pit - it'll wear like a dream!

I can't wait until we rip out our wood deck and I convince DH to do a concrete patio in back!!! We still have a wood deck that's about 20' x 30' that we have to stain every year or two... it's a huge PITA!!!
 
I wonder if there are different types of stamped concrete? We have had it for 2 different houses, 2 different pools. No slipping whatsoever. :confused3
 
So, as a guy that used to test concrete and work with it a lot, I am going to give you some different types of information than others above....but before I do, whoever did the work for Parksfan was a really good tradesman. That is some outstanding work, and for that level of detail you might just end up paying more than what it is you are trying to simulate.

Some concrete finishes that you might consider:
Salt finish (they finish the concrete usually with a broom finish, then throw rock salt on top and once the concrete is set it is washed off, thus creating a little extra surface area with pock marks to allow even more traction than a normal broom finish)

Exposed aggregate (usually best to use larger aggregate rocks that are not angular...meaning no crushed rock and a preference toward river rock with smooth edges. There are a couple ways of doing the exposed aggregate...either using an admixture to prevent immediate setting, or simply using sugar to delay setting of the top layer after it is placed and then brushing off the top level of cement to "expose" the aggregate) This provides a really nice amount of traction as it looks like rocks that are grouted.

So, you can combine admixture colors to the concrete as well, and I would strongly recommend using a solid color through the batch rather than just staining the surface. This will allow you to power wash your concrete without worrying about removing any of the stain.

You can really get pretty darned creative with all of the things relating to concrete, but you might also consider pavers as well. There are tumbled travertine pavers all the way to using reclaimed brick.

I don't know if I even came close to answering any questions, but I think it is a great idea to just look at a ton of pictures and then pick out something that strikes your fancy, then find a good quality contractor to do the work...not just the cheapest bid.
 
I work (as an architectural designer) for a construction company that is known for decorative concrete. We don't normally do residential projects, but we do "estates" (read: upwards of $1 mil on hardscape and landscape).

So, I will break it down for you. Cost, design/type (sealer, color, saw cuts/joints, maintenance).

Cost - In our area (the midwest), decorative concrete would cost $10-12/square foot, installed by union contractors. You can almost always find one of those same guys who will do it on the side for a bit of savings, but you won't have the reputation of the company (or insurance) standing behind their work.

design/type - there are different types of decorative concrete. the one you mentioned was stamped concrete, which yes, can be slippery. The main thing that makes it so slick is the sealer you use.
Sealer is put on to initially help in curing and to help "protect" your concrete, increasing longevity by protecting from the elements, such as salt, freeze/thaw, and UV (which can deteriorate not the concrete, but the color). There are 2 types of sealer (well, a TON more, but I'm explaining basics here): penetrating and film-forming. A penetrating sealer will "soak in" and give a matte finish. After it's dry, it many times, doesn't look like it's been sealed. The other kind is a film forming (also known as high solids) type. This kind sits on top and protects everything underneath is, much as a nail polish's top-coat. When dry, it will give glossy-ish finish (varying degrees depending on brand and formula)and enhance color, making more vibrant and giving it a wet-look. You can make it less slippery by adding a texturizer, such as "Shark-Grip".
Color: there are two main ways to color your concrete - stain and integral color. Most people use stains and then seal them in. This is the most economical. But as the top surface is worn, color wears off with it, exposing the regular "gray" concrete underneath. In unfortunate circumstances, if the sealer is incorrectly applied, the stain might flake off. If the concrete itself is "bad" (wrong mix, etc) and has pop-outs (where stones pop off the top, leaving pock marks), the grey concrete will be exposed, as the pop-out will have taken the surface-applied stain with it. If your concrete was properly installed, and maintenance is kept up, then this should keep the same look for years and years. One last thing about stains - the type they use and the surrounding area should be taken into consideration. We've seen where (other) installers used acid stains, and then used the chemicals needed to stop the reaction (we use plain old baking soda). Problem was when they rinsed them off, the chemicals ran off the edges of the driveways, into the grass. Homeowners could not get grass or any plants to grow there for years, and just figured it was "bad soil" or something. No, it was contaminated soil. We took that out and replaced it with fresh topsoil and it was good as new. The other type is Integral color, which can add as much as $100/cubic yard. in this method, color is mixed throughout the concrete, so if it wears, cracks, or pops out, color is consistent, not drawing the eye to the imperfection. If maintenance might be spotty, I would recommend this route, as it'll keep it's look for far longer with less work. There are ways to get around the cost difference (use the colored concrete for the top few inches instead of all the way through, and you save the $ for the color on the base inches), but all of those should be discussed with your installer. If they are not familiar with those methods, they can lead to disastrous results. Both the types of color can be enhanced with shake on colors (sometimes containing hardeners) to create a more dimensional look.

Saw-cuts/joints - joints are placed in concrete to give the concrete a suggested place to crack. Because it will, no matter what you do, crack. Joints are placed every 6-12 feet, depending on lots of design factors. The installers will either make indentions while the concrete is wet (joints), use them as pouring start/stop points in their forms (also a joint, but a cold joint) and will put expanding foam in between, or may cut them after the concrete has cured (cuts, or saw cuts). Many designers can use the joints in a pattern (like a sidewalk "square"). We have used them as curves and lines to make pictures - we did a job at a high school and made their mascot, a wildcat - it looked awesome! , create designs, delineate different types of textures, stamps, etc. Imagine joints or saw cuts as your black marker when a cartoon is drawn. Then concrete acts as the markers to color in between the lines.

Maintenance - concrete is as close to maintenance free as you're going to get for a hardscape. You may need to powerwash and seal it every few years to preserve the look of a stain, or even restain and reseal. It depends on your design and installation. Installed properly, it will never need the type of attention that say a wood deck or paver patio (having to sweep in new sand in the joints) or an asphalt drive would have.

Obviously, I work with this stuff day in and day out, and if you can't tell from my examples, we are called in often to "fix" a problem installation from someone else's screw up. Done right, concrete can last upwards of 25 years.

last piece of advice: if going with concrete, decorative or otherwise, please, please PLEASE hire someone that has experience! There are so many people that have a pickup truck and will rent the stamps and buy the concrete. Yeah, they CAN do it, but it doesn't mean they should. Ask for references, and ask to GO see places they've installed. Look for pop-outs, cracks, sloping. Look for consistency in the stamp pattern (depth, not blurry), and also variation in direction (so it's not the same thing over and over and over in the exact same repeating pattern... most stamps are made to fit in more than one way so the patio can look varied, not cookie cutter.). Ask previous clients if they were happy with the work, how clean they left the jobsite, how the follow-up and maintenance has been. in short, if they've never done it before, DO NOT be their guinnea pig - it's too $$$ of an investment for something that "might" turn out ok.

Any questions - feel free to ask!

Sorry so long, but I was trying to arm you with proper info.

Thank you so very much for such great information!
 














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