SSR-Why is it so cheap in resale?

[cbeary29]

Is it just not as popular?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Saratoga gets a bit of a bad rap for a couple reasons:

1. It's not close to a park
2. It's big
3. All bus transport

However, it's a lovely resort near golf, has 2 feature pools, proximity to Disney Springs. In the size and busing, it is slightly more comparable to a Moderate resort. The accommodations are definitely villa-like, and work well for large families, 'comforts of home,' and people who don't make the parks a focus of their trip.

Most people who end up "having to" stay there for whatever reason (late booking, etc.) moan a little before they go, but usually come back having enjoyed it. It may not be their instant favorite, but most people who stay there end up finding some of its charm.

 

[tjkraz]

Supply and demand. Less demand than some resorts but much, MUCH greater supply.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

It's huge so more points, more supply.

 

[skier_pete]

Yeah...folks here have pretty much captured it. The most expensive resorts are the smallest ones closest to the parks. The further you get from the parks, the less expensive the resorts. AKV, SSR, and OKW are the cheapest because they are all very large and not near parks (well...AKV is near DAK).

SSR popularity may actually go up slightly with the new pricing structure of having a standard and preferred room category. Part of OKW and AKV appeal over SSR was they have rooms that are cheaper per night. Now SSR has that option. It probably won't be enough of an effect to matter, though.

 

[DizBub]

I agree with all the above answers. We are also currently in ROFR for a SSR resale contract.

We pretty much decided we would like to own points there after the 1st time we stayed on rented points. The first attempt (2012) was for $53 per point, that deal fell through because the sellers never returned their closing documents. Jump to now and we are paying $87 per point....I don't consider that cheap.

Everything being relative, we could sell our BLT today for more than we paid for it direct in 2009 and 2010 and BCV that we bought in 2012 resale for $72 per point is selling $30 higher.

 

[skier_pete]

I agree with all the above answers. We are also currently in ROFR for a SSR resale contract.

We pretty much decided we would like to own points there after the 1st time we stayed on rented points. The first attempt (2012) was for $53 per point, that deal fell through because the sellers never returned their closing documents. Jump to now and we are paying $87 per point....I don't consider that cheap.

Everything being relative, we could sell our BLT today for more than we paid for it direct in 2009 and 2010 and BCV that we bought in 2012 resale for $72 per point is selling $30 higher.

$53 seems extremely cheap - even in 2012. When we were looking in 2014 - SSR was going for low to mid-seventies. Prices have risen significantly with the strong economy.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Well, and look at the PP cost of Poly and Aulani.

 

[davidl81]

I do think supply and demand play the largest part in the cost being so "low" relative to other DVC resorts. Also although it is a nice resort I do find it a little closer to a moderate resort than a true deluxe resort. We have stayed there at least five times over the past few years and have no complaints about it at all, but we have enjoyed most other DVC resorts a little more than SSR.

Now as far as buying there I think it is a great value. I own 175 points at SSR I bought resale a few years ago along with the 220 I bought at AKV direct. If I add on again I will buy at SSR since I normally book around 7 months out and can normally find the resort I'm looking for at that time. If I can't find anything at 7 months out but SSR we are always perfectly happy staying there.

 

[WDWNY]

Everything being relative, we could sell our BLT today for more than we paid for it direct in 2009 and 2010 and BCV that we bought in 2012 resale for $72 per point is selling $30 higher.

As a new DVC member it always surprises me seeing how much contract values have gone up over the years, despite the fact there are less years left on the contract. But it does make me feel good about the money I spent if I ever decide to sell!

 

[zavandor]

SSR popularity may actually go up slightly with the new pricing structure of having a standard and preferred room category. Part of OKW and AKV appeal over SSR was they have rooms that are cheaper per night. Now SSR has that option. It probably won't be enough of an effect to matter, though.

This. For marathon Week end, the Standard category has already sold out, like I though it would. That's why I booked at 11 months at SSR, something I never did for SSR.
Also, this time I plan to not try to switch for the marathon week end, because I want actually to stay there because it's convenient to Disney Spring where there are a few restaurants I want to try. DS reviews are generally favorable, SSR popularity might increase a little bit as a consequence. I usually visit twice DS and twice MK, SSR is convenient for me as much as BLT.

 

[Dean]

Is it just not as popular?

I'd generally agree with what's been posted. IMO it's cheaper (not cheap) due to a lower perceived value as the main reason and secondary that there is some supply/demand factors. The reason for the lower perceived value is that on a percentage basis less people want to stay there than other on property locations. The reality is that even were it is is likely artificially high since a certain % of owners are buying because it's cheaper and because of the lower dues. Size and number of points is not the main factor.

 

[CarolMN]

IMO, SSR is going to increase in popularity because of Disney Springs. As hard as it is for me to give up BWV, I find myself actually considering a stay there. DS has so many new restaurants that I want to try and the parks are not quite as important to us as they have been in the past.

AKV may become more popular once Avatar opens and the night time entertainment gets going. I find myself enjoying visits to AK more and more - and it's not the rides that are the main attraction, LOL. We like to go early, go back to the resort mid-day and return in the evening for the nighttime entertainment and fireworks. Staying nearby AK would be a bonus once the new areas and evening activities get going.

Both AKV & SSR are beautiful resorts and I see us wanting to stay at one of those two rather than the MK resorts. Never ever thought I'd say that a few years ago, LOL.

 

[Missyrose]

$53 seems extremely cheap - even in 2012. When we were looking in 2014 - SSR was going for low to mid-seventies. Prices have risen significantly with the strong economy.

That economic downturn crashed DVC prices on the resale market. It was great for buyers (I bought BWV for $50 a point and BLT for $89 a point in 2012, I just wish I had bought more points at those prices!).

 

[DizBub]

The reality is that even were it is is likely artificially high since a certain % of owners are buying because it's cheaper and because of the lower dues.

This. SSR really does give the best overall value for your dollar. We also feel that with the new point structure and the expansion of DS it will become more desirable. We certainly intend to stay there.

 

[DizBub]

That economic downturn crashed DVC prices on the resale market. It was great for buyers (I bought BWV for $50 a point and BLT for $89 a point in 2012, I just wish I had bought more points at those prices!).

Thanks for the backup Missyrose. And don't we all wish we had bought more then?

 

[skier_pete]

That economic downturn crashed DVC prices on the resale market. It was great for buyers (I bought BWV for $50 a point and BLT for $89 a point in 2012, I just wish I had bought more points at those prices!).

Thanks for the backup Missyrose. And don't we all wish we had bought more then?

Yeah - I am not ready to buy more points - but I'll be watching for the next inevitable economic crash as my opportunity to buy more. BWV for $50! I'd buy 200 points today.

 

[silmarg]

Yeah - I am not ready to buy more points - but I'll be watching for the next inevitable economic crash as my opportunity to buy more. BWV for $50! I'd buy 200 points today.

In late 2009/early 2010 I got ROFRd twice at SSR at $65, but did get one thru at $67.
In 2013 prices took a dip and I bought another SSR at $52.50 - and it passes ROFR.

In hindsight, a bargain...

 

[ldo]

IMHO, SSR feels like a nice, but "regular" offsite condo onsite. The theming doesn't transport me to another place like OKW or AKV. The points are a bit high compared to other resorts. No sleeper chairs. We prefer the other DVCs. But, if there was only SSR, we would happily stay there. When I bought resale points last year, AKV and SSR were about the same price. We love AKV and the points for standard rooms are less, thus, no appeal to buy SSR for us.

 

[skier_pete]

IMHO, SSR feels like a nice, but "regular" offsite condo onsite. The theming doesn't transport me to another place like OKW or AKV. The points are a bit high compared to other resorts. No sleeper chairs. We prefer the other DVCs. But, if there was only SSR, we would stay there. When I bought resale points last year, AKV and SSR were about the same. We love AKV and the points for standard rooms are less, thus, no appeal to buy SSR for us.

Well - I agree with this sentimentality - we bought at AKV and our first stay as DVC owners was SSR. It's certainly a nice resort, but it didn't "feel" like a deluxe. I wouldn't have picked it over AKV as a buy, but you do mention the points being high. I would disagree - with the new points structure having both standard and preferred rooms, the standard point costs are more in line with the OKW rooms and the AKV standard rooms. Depending on how quickly the standard rooms sell out, there may now be an advantage to owning at SSR. I still think if I got more points, I would probably stick with AKV unless I could get a good enough deal on BLT. (I would love a few BWV points, but at current prices I can't justify it in my mind.)