SSR Price Increased to $120/pt.

[BWV Dreamin]

Disney is already tracking what type of points you have. Call MS and they can tell you....

VIP status aside, certain perks could be immediately given to current direct points owners with no grandfathering.

I would like to know how many 1000 resales points owners there are. My bet is not enough to circumvent immediate changes.

I can see both sides of it.

There would still be a great advantage to DVC if they grandfather. Every new customer would have to buy direct in order to get the benefits.

I could also see them going to a tiered system like Wyndham's where you get extra benefits at the 300/500/1000 (or similar) levels. Even if they grandfather a member with current holdings of 400 points, he needs to buy the next 100+ direct in order move up to the next level.

If they didn't grandfather, there would be a tangible loss of goodwill among current members. If you take a current member who has 1000+ points all purchased resale, he isn't likely to react by running out and buying another 1000 direct. DVC only stands to lose by alienating those folks.

The grandfathering would also put many members in a position where they are within spitting distance of moving up in the system with a small direct purchase. Again, take my example of the person who owns 400 resale points today. A VIP program may be enough to convince him to buy the next 100 direct. On the other hand, if DVC disallows the first 400 resale points, there is virtually zero chance that the member will decide to buy 300+ direct just to get into the program.

I'm not even certain that DVC can accurately track direct/resale going back 20 years. Even today, a member who buys an Old Key West contract via resale gets an ID card that states "Member Since 1992" (or whatever the original inception date was.) They may have no other choice than to grandfather existing members.

 

[carlbarry]

I'm not even certain that DVC can accurately track direct/resale going back 20 years. Even today, a member who buys an Old Key West contract via resale gets an ID card that states "Member Since 1992" (or whatever the original inception date was.) They may have no other choice than to grandfather existing members.

No way! I purchased OKW via resale last year, and my membership card says "Member since 11/09." (My Ballys gym card, which I also bought resale, has my name, but the original owner's enrollment of 1989.)

 

[nolanboys]

No way! I purchased OKW via resale last year, and my membership card says "Member since 11/09." (My Ballys gym card, which I also bought resale, has my name, but the original owner's enrollment of 1989.)

I bought resale this spring, and my card says DVC member since '04 - assuming that's when the original contract was bought.

 

[carlbarry]

I bought resale this spring, and my card says DVC member since '04 - assuming that's when the original contract was bought.

Wow, go figure. The people I bought from purchased in 1998, according to the deed filed in Orange County. Yet I promise, my card says "11/09." The only thing I can think of is that the previous owners did have some problems with not paying their MF, and DVC kept getting liens against them. However, they are the ones I purchased from. So I guess it's a mystery.

 

[otterpop]

I'm in the same boat as carlbarry...I just purchased resale in August and my card says member since 08/10.

 

[carlbarry]

I'm in the same boat as carlbarry...I just purchased resale in August and my card says member since 08/10.

Thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. Or at least adding to the evidence LOL

 

[nolanboys]

Anyone know why the member dates differ? Just curious.

 

[curan69]

There would have to be an awful lot of very good perks to buy SSR from Disney at 120 per point when you could buy it for close to half price resale.(even less if resale prices dropped after a change)

I suppose it depends on why you bought and how you use. For example we would never buy an annual pass when a 10 day no expiry lasts us close to 3 years. (the pluses last even longer)

I bought 100 SSR points last year at 69.00 per point. If there was a change and resale dropped even more I would for sure buy more resale.

SSR for 49.00 per point........I can only dream and wish

 

[staceymay00]

We bought an OKW resale earlier this year. Our cards say "Members Since '97". I'm sure Disney can easily determine we bought resale in 2010, though.

 

[going/again]

As above It is outselling AKV do not know about BLT and would doubt it is..

If you own at SSR you can book the Treehouses
Other than that I would not disagree with thinking this way, however this would not be a thought with most when buying retail.
Also keep in mind there is no way of knowing if BLT dues will stay the lowest.

I would of thought the smaller footprint would help keep the dues lower, personally wouldnt want to stay there.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I bought 100 SSR points last year at 69.00 per point. If there was a change and resale dropped even more I would for sure buy more resale.

SSR for 49.00 per point........I can only dream and wish

You might want to wake up from that dream. A SSR 200/pt. contract has just gone to ROFR for $49/pt.

 

[gkrykewy]

You might want to wake up from that dream. A SSR 200/pt. contract has just gone to ROFR for $49/pt.

What's the best place to look for these most recent sales (not listings) price trends?

 

[wdrl]

What's the best place to look for these most recent sales (not listings) price trends?

Donald is #1 has an excellent thread on the dis-Operations board in which she tracks resale offers and ROFR activity. See http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1960185

 

[BWV Dreamin]

What's the best place to look for these most recent sales (not listings) price trends?

There is another ROFR thread but that website is not allowed to be posted here...

 

[tjkraz]

There would have to be an awful lot of very good perks to buy SSR from Disney at 120 per point when you could buy it for close to half price resale.(even less if resale prices dropped after a change)

Well, it's not the full $120. There are discounts available which take it down to $104.

That said, if people were buying at $95 per point even with the resale market a minimum of $30 per point lower, it stands to reason that some people will still buy even at $104. DVC is apparently comfortable with whatever sales volume they get on the SSR points at $104 each.

It's no secret that DVC has been sitting on hundreds-of-thousands of SSR points for a couple years now and making little effort to sell them. Meanwhile Disney has also established a pattern of leveraging those points into free upgrades for guests who book lesser resorts.

Take someone who is paying $100 per night for Pop Century on a promo code and drop them into a SSR One Bedroom. It leaves a pretty good impression. Then when they attend a sales presentation, the sales person says "well for the same price you could either buy into lovely Saratoga Springs OR you could spend the next 50 years at BLT on the Magic Kingdom's doorstep."

SSR construction is finished. Disney has dumped hundreds-of-millions of dollars into its development and yet they are still holding a significant pile of points.

If they wanted an immediate return on those points, all they need to do is discount to something like $65-75 each.

But they aren't doing that. Instead they are raising the price. They aren't ignorant of resale prices. We can only speculate on the motivations but Disney knows exactly what it's doing.

Again, going back to my original conclusions, I believe that DVC is intentionally pushing people toward BLT. BLT is the property that returns the highest value. Put side-by-side, buyers are much more likely to pay $104-108 per point for BLT than for SSR. The high pricing on SSR just helps BLT look good--and that's the resort they really want to be selling.

Once BLT is gone they will have to offer better incentives or lower prices to continue selling AKV and SSR. But better to get top dollar for BLT first rather than having budget-conscious buyers choose AKV or SSR at a lower price point.

 

[gkrykewy]

there is another rofr thread but that website is not allowed to be posted here...

pm?

 

[SSR]

pm?

If you google "disney ROFR" you'll see some good hits in the first 4 or so results.

 

[curan69]

You might want to wake up from that dream. A SSR 200/pt. contract has just gone to ROFR for $49/pt.

EVEN Better, Let's go for 39.00!!!!

 

[tzuhouse]

When we bought on 10/17 they told us that all the resorts that had some availability would be going up on 10/18 to match the $120.00 of Bay Lake. That's why we went ahead and did it that day.

Mary

 

[SSR]

You might want to wake up from that dream. A SSR 200/pt. contract has just gone to ROFR for $49/pt.

By "gone to," do you mean submitted for ROFR consideration? If so, do you know a status (or a link to that info such as number of points, how stripped, etc.?)