Spin-off: American and British/Irish culture Q&A thread.

[john7994]

again, that would not be known about and is not something Irish people really care about. Back in those times, the people who left Ireland were essentially dead.

See this is just what I mentioned in previous posts, the disconnect between the Americans who have Irish heritage and modern day Ireland.

Other than having a personal interest in American history, the average modern day Irish person has no knowledge of and no real interest in the American Irish culture and community.

To be really honest Americans who have Irish heritage are ridiculed and something to laugh at in Ireland. We see them as good for the economy as they come here and spend lots of money, so the Irish Tourist Authority specifically target them, and market Ireland as the land of shamrocks and rainbows and Guinness. But outside of the tourist industry, this whole American Irish thing, the way Americans come here and think time stood still and the country and people are like how it was in 1845, modern day Irish people have no time for.

Very interesting perspective - thank you for sharing it. Being 75% Polish, I am inclined toward romanticism versus the stereotypes in thinking about it, but I also think there is definitely a level of reinforced exceptionalism here that feeds into it.

 

[Moliphino]

To be really honest Americans who have Irish heritage are ridiculed and something to laugh at in Ireland. We see them as good for the economy as they come here and spend lots of money, so the Irish Tourist Authority specifically target them, and market Ireland as the land of shamrocks and rainbows and Guinness. But outside of the tourist industry, this whole American Irish thing, the way Americans come here and think time stood still and the country and people are like how it was in 1845, modern day Irish people have no time for.

That's not what a very drunk man in a pub in Dublin told me. My sister and I were aware of the annoyance with Americans and were downplaying it in conversation (we are only 1/4 Irish heritage, after all, two great-grandparents came from Kerry in the early 1900s), but he insisted we were Irish.

 

[john7994]

That's not what a very drunk man in a pub in Dublin told me. My sister and I were aware of the annoyance with Americans and were downplaying it in conversation (we are only 1/4 Irish heritage, after all, two great-grandparents came from Kerry in the early 1900s), but he insisted we were Irish.

Reminded me very much of a story I had in Berlin ... funny the circumstance was very similar in that I believe the person was well on their way to a nice long nap which started in the bar ...

 

[Buzz Rules]

That’s interesting, but you can you discount the political influence ( interference)? Apparently the Welsh were happy in Wales and didn’t emigrate to the U.S., and those that did lost their way and ended up in Patagonia.

https://gov.wales/wales-helped-build-america-its-founding-ideals-must-be-allowed-to-endure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Americans

 

[Jangles]

https://gov.wales/wales-helped-build-america-its-founding-ideals-must-be-allowed-to-endure

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Americans

If I asked on this board for people with Welsh ancestry to wave the , the silence would be deafening. Mention Ireland and the board sinks under the weight of corned beef stories.

 

[Buzz Rules]

If I asked on this board for people with Welsh ancestry to wave the , the silence would be deafening. Mention Ireland and the board sinks under the weight of corned beef stories.

Well, if America goes out and Wales goes through the World Cup, you’ll see some flags wave then.

 

[Buzz Rules]

@Jangles is the Welsh nation excited for the Nations League match today? I do feel bad for @BadPinkTink though since Ireland have not been playing well (even though she said she’s not a sports fan).

 

[NotUrsula]

That's not what a very drunk man in a pub in Dublin told me. My sister and I were aware of the annoyance with Americans and were downplaying it in conversation (we are only 1/4 Irish heritage, after all, two great-grandparents came from Kerry in the early 1900s), but he insisted we were Irish.

Ah, let's flatter the tourists and with luck, they'll stand a round of drinks!

IME, the standard Irish question is still asked upon hearing an Irish name, no matter where you encounter Irish people anywhere in the world: "Where are your people from, dear?" If you respond with genealogy-speak, rather than just the name of a neighborhood or village, they've got your number.

My case is a wee bit odd. My siblings and I all had strong accents as young children, until the teachers at school hammered it out of us. The thing is, it takes me only about an hour after the plane lands for it to rise from the depths of my brain again. After a day I sound totally native, which can lead to some funny conversations when people use more modern slang that I don't understand.

 

[Moliphino]

Ah, let's flatter the tourists and with luck, they'll stand a round of drinks!

IME, the standard Irish question is still asked upon hearing an Irish name, no matter where you encounter Irish people anywhere in the world: "Where are your people from, dear?" If you respond with genealogy-speak, rather that just the name of a neighborhood or village, they've got your number.

My case is a wee bit odd. My siblings and I all had strong accents as young children, until the teachers at school hammered it out of us. The thing is, it takes me only about an hour after the plane lands for it to rise from the depths of my brain again. After a day I sound totally native, which can lead to some funny conversations when people use more modern slang that I don't understand.

I've actually got a Polish name, but I know my great-grandfather was from the Blasket Islands so I have that!

 

[Buzz Rules]

If I asked on this board for people with Welsh ancestry to wave the , the silence would be deafening. Mention Ireland and the board sinks under the weight of corned beef stories.

Also, many of us who have English ancestry probably also have Welsh ancestors somewhere in our bloodlines.

 

[Jangles]

Have you seen this ? https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeZk6qQDLwL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

[ratherbeshiny]

Have you seen this ? https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeZk6qQDLwL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Far and away the best part of the Jubilee weekend!

 

[john7994]

Also, many of us who have English ancestry probably also have Welsh ancestors somewhere in our bloodlines.

I have 4% swimming around in there ...

 

[john7994]

Have you seen this ? https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeZk6qQDLwL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Of course, it reminds me of the Harrod's (at least I think it's Harrod's) commercials around the holidays, that have just the right amount of humor and emotional tug ... it is really well done.

 

[Jangles]

I have 4% swimming around in there ...

How do you know? I use 23&me but I don’t think it specifically identifies Welsh DNA.

 

[john7994]

How do you know? I use 23&me but I don’t think it specifically identifies Welsh DNA.

It was more to the English bloodline comment - I don't remember how they grouped the whole U.K. area ancestry in 23 and me - but I am 4% of that ...

 

[Buzz Rules]

If I asked on this board for people with Welsh ancestry to wave the , the silence would be deafening. Mention Ireland and the board sinks under the weight of corned beef stories.

Ar ôl y gêm grŵp gyntaf byddaf yn gwreiddio dros Gymru yn eu dwy gêm grŵp ddiwethaf.

 

[Jangles]

Ar ôl y gêm grŵp gyntaf byddaf yn gwreiddio dros Gymru yn eu dwy gêm grŵp ddiwethaf.

Diolch yn fawr fy ffrind.

 

[Jangles]

The Appleby Horse Fair. A traditional horse fair dating back to the 18th century, said to be the biggest Gypsy, Roma and Traveller gathering in Europe…, which suggests that there is something bigger outside Europe. USA???

 

[BadPinkTink]

The Appleby Horse Fair. A traditional horse fair dating back to the 18th century, said to be the biggest Gypsy, Roma and Traveller gathering in Europe…, which suggests that there is something bigger outside Europe. USA???

really

The Ballinasloe Horse Fair is a horse fair which is held annually at Ballinasloe, the second largest town in County Galway, in the western part of Ireland. It is Europe's oldest and largest horse fair, dating back to the 18th century. The annual event attracts up to 80,000 visitors.

The Ballinasloe Fair has a long traditional association with the Irish Travelling Community who regularly congregate there. Ballinasloe ranks with the Appleby Horse Fair, in importance for this community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballinasloe_Horse_Fair

Which brings us on to, Irish Travelers.

Do our American friends know about this ethic group , a sub set of native Irish people?