Speculation on point requirement increase for direct benefits

[Sandisw]

The entire thread is about benefits yes but that particular section that the PP was specifically discussing TOWL which is why I was confused.

I try and read from start to finish but I can certainly see where people don’t do that.

Thank you for your clarification.

Yeah.,, that initial mention about TOTWL and WWD was an example of maybe DVD already changing who can and can not do things with rented points and how they already have with MM.

So, it could be interesting to see where they go in the future with enhancing things and require eligible points only!

 

[eticketplease]

It’s hard to be certain about booking the same size room and location for the next 50 years.

Well stated!!

 

[CastAStone]

Interesting thread.

It seems clear to me that 150 is already too high for Disneyland hotel, and for the cabins.

Hence, why they lowered the minimum overall purchase.

Raising the threshold for perks more seems bananas to me.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I'm not sure what the "recommended minimum" is but I'm assuming that it is whatever the point requirement at the time is to obtain membership extras.

Doesn't have anything to do with 'membership extras' at all. Most first-time buyers don't even know about this kind of stuff at the initial sales meeting.

The guides have always had a 'cookie-cutter' agreement that everybody they see is offered at the initial sales meeting. I'd dare venture a bet that 90%+ of first-time DVC owners that buy in at the initial sales meeting buy in at this cookie-cutter point value.

That point value has varied over time, but not by much. When we bought in, it was 160 at AKK. It was also 160 when we added on at BLT as founders. I'm not sure what it is today, but I assure you that the guides have a magic number their cookie-cutter contracts are already set up for. Both of our base contracts are at these values. We didn't know any different at the time. Most people don't either.

"We recommend that you buy 160 points. This gets you blah, blah, blah..." It has always been that way, and I can't imagine it's changed. Why would it? It's based on marketing and the magic pain-threshold that market research has determined that buyers are likely to buy without balking and to 'understand' why they need that number after having it 'explained' to them. Obviously, it is optimized to increase sales revenue for DVD because that is ultimately their end game.

Maybe I'm the only one that ever realized this, but I doubt it. LOL

 

[eticketplease]

Doesn't have anything to do with 'membership extras' at all. Most first-time buyers don't even know about this kind of stuff at the initial sales meeting.

The guides have always had a 'cookie-cutter' agreement that everybody they see is offered at the initial sales meeting. I'd dare venture a bet that 90%+ of first-time DVC owners that buy in at the initial sales meeting buy in at this cookie-cutter point value.

That point value has varied over time, but not by much. When we bought in, it was 160 at AKK. It was also 160 when we added on at BLT as founders. I'm not sure what it is today, but I assure you that the guides have a magic number their cookie-cutter contracts are already set up for. Both of our base contracts are at these values. We didn't know any different at the time. Most people don't either.

"We recommend that you buy 160 points. This gets you blah, blah, blah..." It has always been that way, and I can't imagine it's changed. Why would it? It's based on marketing and the magic pain-threshold that market research has determined that buyers are likely to buy without balking and to 'understand' why they need that number after having it 'explained' to them. Obviously, it is optimized to increase sales revenue for DVD because that is ultimately their end game.

Maybe I'm the only one that ever realized this, but I doubt it. LOL

Well actually it would have to do with "Membership Extras" since as you pointed out and I totally agree they have a cookie-cutter agreement and that agreement is setup for the Membership Extra minimum of 150 points currently.

I just wasn't sure what minimum you were talking about as the minimum buy-in for off the street is 100 points and yes I'm sure they aren't mentioning it but instead the cookie cutter agreement that you mentioned.

I doubt they have a cookie cutter for the 100 to say you are member but get no discounts, can't attend MM, can't purchase MMB etc. I would say the cookie-cutter agreement will always tailor to whatever level is needed for Magical Extras going forward.

Remember BLT and AKV there wasn't a minimum at the time for ME so as you said it was just a set number that DVD has set just like with OKW at 230 when opening.

 

[Sandisw]

Well actually it would have to do with "Membership Extras" since as you pointed out and I totally agree they have a cookie-cutter agreement and that agreement is setup for the Membership Extra minimum of 150 points currently.

I just wasn't sure what minimum you were talking about as the minimum buy-in for off the street is 100 points and yes I'm sure they aren't mentioning it but instead the cookie cutter agreement that you mentioned.

I doubt they have a cookie cutter for the 100 to say you are member but get no discounts, can't attend MM, can't purchase MMB etc. I would say the cookie-cutter agreement will always tailor to whatever level is needed for Magical Extras going forward.

Remember BLT and AKV there wasn't a minimum at the time for ME so as you said it was just a set number that DVD has set just like with OKW at 230 when opening.

From everything that I have heard and read, they start with the 150 and go from there.

If it seems like the potential buyer can’t do that, they offer the 100 point option with more of a “well, you can start with 100 but it doesn’t come with access to membership extras. “.

My guess is that given the increase in financing options, to 15 years, selling that extra 50, isn’t too hard.

 

[SL6827]

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What is the break even point now with a direct purchase of 150-160 points now? And is that number just the cost of only the points and financing?

 

[Genie+]

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What is the break even point now with a direct purchase of 150-160 points now? And is that number just the cost of only the points and financing?

It’s also going to depend on resort specific dues. More importantly will depend on what type of rooms you were booking before purchasing DVC and after.

There is no one right way to do the math. I try to take all my costs into account for what it costs me to use each point, then consider if the points needed for a certain room, resort and date is worth it to me. Very easy to make a 10 or 12 point room ‘worth it’ at BWV, though also worth considering how much work it costs to secure the reservation lol. For that I like the options at BLT and AKV. Generally have relatively good point costs and above average availability because high mount of inventory.