Spanking , hitting kids

Originally posted by Deb & Bill
We don't hit in our family. It doesn't matter who or how hard. We don't hit.

We have always used timeout and it worked very well.

Yep, that was me until my third child came along. Time outs don't work for everything or every child. He still gets them as well as other discipline, but until this child I was very against spanking. As I mentioned above I read a few books by Dr James Dobson and my relationship with my son and his behavior are totally different now. (If anyone is interested the books are Dare to Discipline and THe Strong Willed Child. Also Raising Boys is a good one by him.)
 
I do 1-2-3, and then I spank their heinies if they don't listen up. They know it's coming, so I hardly ever get past 1. If it's a time-outable offense, which most are, I don't do the 1,2,3, I just send them to their rooms.
 
I feel like a "spanking" can be necessary....have I spanked my daugher - No....she's only 1. But will I - yes if necessary. I can remember one spanking as a child and I probably deserved it....but for the most part I was a good kid and just the threat of a spanking kept me in line. I was always afraid I would disappoint my mom and dad....still am for that matter....and I'm still a good "kid"!
 
Wow, 5 pages and it's been pretty civil with opinions being given but not really any judging! Wonderful.

It is a personal family choice and every child is different too. I believe in a swat on the butt from time to time when it's necessary.
 

I use to spank (because I didn't know any better and I was spanked/beaten a lot when I was child), until I took some classes because I was going into the child care field (I would never have hit another child anyway) and I learned of alternatives ways to discipline. I cringed everytime I did it and felt very bad afterward. Now I never use to beat her, I would spank her firmly on her behind once and that was it.
 
Originally posted by snoopy
nuke, we've used the 1-2-3 Magic method of discipline in our home too....it works!

One thing that hit home with me in the 1-2-3 Magic book was that when a child is spanked it is really a sign that the parent is having a temper tantrum. I HAVE spanked my oldest child 3 times, and all three were just that--me having a temper tantrum for one reason or another. I found that my son showed a lot of negative behavior after those 3 spankings--hitting others, massive meltdowns, sadness.

Another good book on discipline is Love and Logic. We prefer this to 1,2,3 because it doesn't give the kids as many warnings. I also like some of the alternatives Dr. Phil gives to spanking.

Both my husband and I were spanked as kids, and it DID have negative effects on us. We weren't abused either, just spanked. Basically, it made us afraid of our fathers. My husband still has nightmares about his dad, whom he otherwise has a great relationship with. Love and Logic gives some good ways you can have your child know that you are the authority figure without having to spank them.

Other forms of discipline do take some work on the part of the parent. To me, spanking is the quick and easy way, but it's worth it to take the time to find other strategies.
 
I was amazed to see a thread on this subject, as most persons are so divided when it comes to this topic. I do not cast any judgement on others whom choose to punish using this method, just an opinion of why my DH and I chose otherwise. Personally, I have never spanked my child (DD), for a variety of reasons. My husband has easily refrained from using this form of punishment as well. It's something we agreed upon well before she was even conceived. I feel the main reason, is the "loss of control" it would represent for me/us (with regards to the situation). We have always preferred to try different tactics, such as distracting her from possible problems when she was very young, and lacked the cognitive to fully fathom the consequences of her actions. As she became older, we used time-out (seldom) for actions negating such a response or discipline.

Hitting, and/or the use of any physical violence (SPANKING definitely falls under this definition) has always seemed like the "easiest" and most basic/primal response for many people. To "lash out" and subject our child to an uncontrollable fit of anger/rage would be completely unacceptable. We have personally witnessed parents go completely "over the edge/boundary" when in the heat of the moment (bordering abuse). Hitting, is never acceptable. Hands are for HUGGING and PRAYING...not HITTING. Spanking a child, IOHO, inflicts irreparable damage to the soul and psyche. It is humiliating and degrading, and cuts to the core of self-esteem. It is a drastic form of control, nothing less, nothing more. It sends a clear and negative violent message, thus setting the stage for a repeat in the cycle. Children never, ever forget the "feelings" associated with these events. Some incidents, scar/haunt them permanently, well into adulthood.

This is especially true when it comes to females. I feel a male figure, spanking a female child/daughter in a dominating effort to extract control, sends a confusing message about love (and his role in her life). A father's role is to "protect" and love his daughter, unconditionally. When he disciplines her by SPANKING, and then professes his sorrow, regret and love--it's a foolproof recipe for disaster. When this child becomes a woman, she may willingly accept abuse from a male figure (just as she did as a child). It may become the only way she "knows" how to love. This abuse may not only manifest through physical violence, but in verbal abuse as well. Her self-esteem and sense of worth has been irrevocably undermined. The approval and assurance she craves evaporates with each flailing strike. I'm sure, if a study was conducted, many of the women in abusive relationships, were either abused or spanked as children. There are so many other means of disipline/structure to use on your children, which exact healthy results.

I have always believed the only thing separating my daughter from myself, is "LIFE EXPERIENCE." My DH holds the same theory. Therefore, we have always viewed her as a viable person, only much smaller than ourselves...but never less significant or important. We have always permitted/encouraged her to express views which are drastically different from our own, or others. We have embraced her sense of self, creativity and individuality. She is a true gift from God, but not a possession. We provide structure, balance and guidance. Not control.

Our DD is currently 17. She has attended private Catholic school her entire academic life. She is in the top of her class, and is preparing for college next fall. Many of the schools she has applied to (early app...most non-binding) are top-ranked private colleges. Most, are not in this state. She and I are off at the end of this month, on a fact-finding mission in London & Paris for a few weeks. She is MOST interested in attending college in ENGLAND. We have appointments/tours with admission personnel at Oxford, Cambidge and many other top universities in this wonderful Country. She is elated at the possibilities which await her, and the endless roads such choices result.

As much as we both wish she were not leaving, we can not help but feel a sense of accomplishment as parents. We must have done something very right. She has such a compelling sense of independence and esteem, we're constantly in awe of her every move. She is amazingly adept at maintaining a packed schedule which not only includes all AP classes, but community service and steel drum band performances. She's organized and responsible, taking on anything and everything which comes her way. She has the confidence not only to go away to college, but to another country (seemingly a WORLD away). She is a true child of God, and the world now awaits her arrival (just as we did, so many years ago). She stands on the cusp of full autonomy, embracing the prospects.

I can not help but feel the "absence" of spanking throughout her early development had a tremendous and lasting impact on her character and personality. It is said we gift our children with two important things in this life: ROOTS and WINGS. A strong ROOT foundation and a sense of continuity is certainly VITAL in gaining the courage to venture out in search of one's self. BUT, even more important, are the WINGS. As strong as they appear on flight day, they were extremely difficult in the making. They developed one fragile and delicate feather at a time. Through all the ups and downs of life, they continued to flourish and expand. We were ever careful and conscientious of the importance of these wings, even in a subliminal sense. Somehow...the significance remained ever discernible, just under the surface of our parenting techniques. We always knew..."broken winged birds can not fly." ;)
 
Originally posted by beattyfamily
Wow, 5 pages and it's been pretty civil with opinions being given but not really any judging! Wonderful.

It is a personal family choice and every child is different too. I believe in a swat on the butt from time to time when it's necessary.


ITA.....a very civil, mature thread with many different opinions on it. Very interesting thread indeed.


Dreamflight 99......:wave: Hi. How many children do you have? Your DD sounds very special. .:D
 
I agree with Vernon on page 1.

I might also add that no 2 children are the same or respond to the same punishment.

DD10 will listen without many issues, I can normally just take someting away or ground her from something and that will do the trick.

DD11? TOTALLY different. I have tried the 1-2-3 Magic, time outs, isolation, the ONLY thing that has been working lately is she hates being treated like a small child. So I will ask her if she wants to be a big girl or be treated like a 2-year old. THAT has been working lately. :)
 
I was smacked as a kid, I think (think is the operative) I turned out okay. The kids got smacked as kids, so far they seem okay.
 
IMHO it is not so much the method of punishment that matters, but the way it is administered and the reason behind it. I was spanked as a child and suffered no long term effects mentally or physically. My parents explained why I was being punished. I knew they loved me and they certainly never beat me. On the otherhand, I've seen people who would never dream of physically punishing their children, verbally abuse them. In many ways, I feel this is much worse. The mental scars heal very slowly.

I am lucky. DD is not the type of child that needs much in the way of punishment. When she does something wrong, she knows that it disappoints me. That is the worst punishment she could have.
 
Originally posted by Dan Murphy
I was smacked as a kid, I think (think is the operative) I turned out okay. The kids got smacked as kids, so far they seem okay.

I'm sorry, but this rationale escapes me. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you and your kids "turned out ok"; but, people can suffer from a variety of experiences and come out ok, that's not to say what they experienced was appropriate.
 
Originally posted by jeffemy
I'm sorry, but this rationale escapes me. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you and your kids "turned out ok"; but, people can suffer from a variety of experiences and come out ok, that's not to say what they experienced was appropriate.


Ummm, I took it to be that Dan Murphy was being kind of funny in this post. Maybe not, but I sure cracked up at his post. :laughing:
 
Originally posted by dreamflight99
I was amazed to see a thread on this subject, as most persons are so divided when it comes to this topic. I do not cast any judgement on others whom choose to punish using this method, just an opinion of why my DH and I chose otherwise. Personally, I have never spanked my child (DD), for a variety of reasons. My husband has easily refrained from using this form of punishment as well. It's something we agreed upon well before she was even conceived. I feel the main reason, is the "loss of control" it would represent for me/us (with regards to the situation). We have always preferred to try different tactics, such as distracting her from possible problems when she was very young, and lacked the cognitive to fully fathom the consequences of her actions. As she became older, we used time-out (seldom) for actions negating such a response or discipline.

Hitting, and/or the use of any physical violence (SPANKING definitely falls under this definition) has always seemed like the "easiest" and most basic/primal response for many people. To "lash out" and subject our child to an uncontrollable fit of anger/rage would be completely unacceptable. We have personally witnessed parents go completely "over the edge/boundary" when in the heat of the moment (bordering abuse). Hitting, is never acceptable. Hands are for HUGGING and PRAYING...not HITTING. Spanking a child, IOHO, inflicts irreparable damage to the soul and psyche. It is humiliating and degrading, and cuts to the core of self-esteem. It is a drastic form of control, nothing less, nothing more. It sends a clear and negative violent message, thus setting the stage for a repeat in the cycle. Children never, ever forget the "feelings" associated with these events. Some incidents, scar/haunt them permanently, well into adulthood.

This is especially true when it comes to females. I feel a male figure, spanking a female child/daughter in a dominating effort to extract control, sends a confusing message about love (and his role in her life). A father's role is to "protect" and love his daughter, unconditionally. When he disciplines her by SPANKING, and then professes his sorrow, regret and love--it's a foolproof recipe for disaster. When this child becomes a woman, she may willingly accept abuse from a male figure (just as she did as a child). It may become the only way she "knows" how to love. This abuse may not only manifest through physical violence, but in verbal abuse as well. Her self-esteem and sense of worth has been irrevocably undermined. The approval and assurance she craves evaporates with each flailing strike. I'm sure, if a study was conducted, many of the women in abusive relationships, were either abused or spanked as children. There are so many other means of disipline/structure to use on your children, which exact healthy results.

I have always believed the only thing separating my daughter from myself, is "LIFE EXPERIENCE." My DH holds the same theory. Therefore, we have always viewed her as a viable person, only much smaller than ourselves...but never less significant or important. We have always permitted/encouraged her to express views which are drastically different from our own, or others. We have embraced her sense of self, creativity and individuality. She is a true gift from God, but not a possession. We provide structure, balance and guidance. Not control.

Our DD is currently 17. She has attended private Catholic school her entire academic life. She is in the top of her class, and is preparing for college next fall. Many of the schools she has applied to (early app...most non-binding) are top-ranked private colleges. Most, are not in this state. She and I are off at the end of this month, on a fact-finding mission in London & Paris for a few weeks. She is MOST interested in attending college in ENGLAND. We have appointments/tours with admission personnel at Oxford, Cambidge and many other top universities in this wonderful Country. She is elated at the possibilities which await her, and the endless roads such choices result.

As much as we both wish she were not leaving, we can not help but feel a sense of accomplishment as parents. We must have done something very right. She has such a compelling sense of independence and esteem, we're constantly in awe of her every move. She is amazingly adept at maintaining a packed schedule which not only includes all AP classes, but community service and steel drum band performances. She's organized and responsible, taking on anything and everything which comes her way. She has the confidence not only to go away to college, but to another country (seemingly a WORLD away). She is a true child of God, and the world now awaits her arrival (just as we did, so many years ago). She stands on the cusp of full autonomy, embracing the prospects.

I can not help but feel the "absence" of spanking throughout her early development had a tremendous and lasting impact on her character and personality. It is said we gift our children with two important things in this life: ROOTS and WINGS. A strong ROOT foundation and a sense of continuity is certainly VITAL in gaining the courage to venture out in search of one's self. BUT, even more important, are the WINGS. As strong as they appear on flight day, they were extremely difficult in the making. They developed one fragile and delicate feather at a time. Through all the ups and downs of life, they continued to flourish and expand. We were ever careful and conscientious of the importance of these wings, even in a subliminal sense. Somehow...the significance remained ever discernible, just under the surface of our parenting techniques. We always knew..."broken winged birds can not fly." ;)


Long post :p

Hey, I didn't see Pop Daddy here today -- someone had to say it. :teeth:
 
I just wanted all you 1-2-3 Magic proponents to know that I tried this method last night - not for a punishment that ever would have resorted in spanking mind you, just a simple case of making a huge mess and refusing to clean it up - and it worked pretty well and it was both our first times. Thanks for this, I will go and get the book.

I still know that there are times that call for a swift swat to the behind followed by a talk and hugs.

Just as an aside, I was spanked fairly regularly. I was accepted into one of the top boarding schools for high school, went to a very prestigious college, have a very successful career in a Fortune 500 company, have a very loving and wonderful husband, and I am extremely close with my parents and most notably my Dad who doled out a lot of the swats.

Please don't judge. I am not scarred nor do I have broken wings due to being punished in this way. Your parenting of your daughter has been very loving and therefore she is very successful - congratulations.
 
Originally posted by castlegazer
Just as an aside, I was spanked fairly regularly. I was accepted into one of the top boarding schools for high school, went to a very prestigious college, have a very successful career in a Fortune 500 company, have a very loving and wonderful husband, and I am extremely close with my parents and most notably my Dad who doled out a lot of the swats.

I'm with you castlegazer. I was spanked as a kid. I am not scarred at all.

I was in the honor society in High School, was one of the few in my family to go to (and complete) college. This college was in another state from where I grew up. And I worked my way up and through some very well respected positions within the company I work for. I have proven my ability and team attitude enough to survive 4 layoffs and 3 mergers. I proved my worth enough for them to create a new position for me (I helped create the new department) when I decided to move to Florida.

I really can't see how my self-esteem or my wings have been broken or scarred.

Ted
 
Originally posted by Feralpeg
On the otherhand, I've seen people who would never dream of physically punishing their children, verbally abuse them. In many ways, I feel this is much worse. The mental scars heal very slowly.

I am lucky. DD is not the type of child that needs much in the way of punishment. When she does something wrong, she knows that it disappoints me. That is the worst punishment she could have.
I thought of the "verbal" abuse too. I have witnessed some heinous assaults on both children and adults. In our home, we never use such denigrating vernacular, slang or expletives when speaking with one another. Again, another conscientious effort on our part. We refrain from the use of such words as, "stupid, idiot, dumb, shut-up, etc." These are damaging, and reflect poorly on the person speaking them. They are not considered a part of our vocabulary. I could never even get myself to call "SHUT-UP" out the window to my dog, barking in the backyard. Instead, I would say, "quiet down." :) It's amazing how "shocking" it is to hear others use these terms so casually when speaking with one another. It always draws our attention, and sympathy. It is generally a "learned" trait, one passed down from generation to generation, (& other influential persons in the child's life).
:(

I too, consider myself blessed to have a daughter whom rarely needed/needs any punishment. She has continued to conduct herself in the same thoughtful and loving manner, throughout her life. She is respectful, and has never caused us a problem. Throughout the past 12 years of school, she has never broken one rule, or caused trouble of any kind. :)

Kitty 34~Hi Kitty! :wave2: I currently have one child, DD (But am pondering another....hmmm). :rolleyes: Yes, she is a pure delight, and never ceases to impress/amaze me (a daunting task...neither easily achieved). I still believe you "reap what you sow" in this life (nothing less/more). ::yes:: Always great to SEE you on this forum. ;)

Dan Murphy~:wave: "Jeffemy" has a very valid point...although I'm glad you still turned out OKAY!! :teeth: As for me....mediocrity never appealed, so I shoot for GREAT!!

castlegazer & Ted~Good for you both! I'm not passing judgement with my post, or comments. It's merely my personal opinion on this topic. Although your self-esteem and wings are intact, not everyone fares this well. There are many variables which affect the outcome (ie: neglect, indifference, apathy), and the casualties live/work among us.

:wave2:
 
Originally posted by dreamflight99
[castlegazer & Ted~Good for you both! I'm not passing judgement with my post, or comments. It's merely my personal opinion on this topic. Although your self-esteem and wings are intact, not everyone fares this well. There are many variables which affect the outcome (ie: neglect, indifference, apathy), and the casualties live/work among us.

I agree that neglect, indifference, and apathy are no way to parent. But this discussion is about "spanking" alone.

I think it goes without saying that child who is neglected by an apathetic parent, he or she would most likely develop issues, but we are not talking about that.

Ted
 
Originally posted by Ted and Holly
I'm with you castlegazer. I was spanked as a kid. I am not scarred at all.

I was in the honor society in High School, was one of the few in my family to go to (and complete) college. This college was in another state from where I grew up. And I worked my way up and through some very well respected positions within the company I work for. I have proven my ability and team attitude enough to survive 4 layoffs and 3 mergers. I proved my worth enough for them to create a new position for me (I helped create the new department) when I decided to move to Florida.

I really can't see how my self-esteem or my wings have been broken or scarred.

Ted

You attribute your success to being spanked?
I was spanked. I had success too. I didn't like the spanking
and I don't spank. Did you like being spanked? Do you think
your parents could have successfully parented you without it?
I am smart enough to parent without spanking. Is that because
I was spanked? I can not bring myself to bragging about being
spanked. Curious about why you and others here can. Care
to expound?
 


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