Southern pride gone wrong!

[ilovejack02]

Heritage smeritage. I was born and raised in the south and I can tell you she is just someone who is trying to stir up trouble imho. I have documented descendents who fought in the civil war and I don't think of the confederate flag as essential to my "heritage". I can understand that it would be highly offensive to african americans and so why would you want to remind your neighbors on a daily basis of a painful past. Insensitive lout.

I always have family that fought in civil war .. nor do I need to wave the flag high. The people that insist on flying it in our area are an " interesting " group to say the least . I don't associate with them, and no one I know does.
They are an unsavory bunch , and the sheriff's dept knows most by name. Making meth, food stamp fraud, dog and rooster fighting , cooper stealing , wearing robes and burning crosses are some of their favorite hobbies. ( Yes , it is exactly like something out of a movie. ) They love to say it is southern pride, but we all know what it is .. blatant racism . We all do our best to ignore them, thank goodness over the years our area is not quite the hotbed of racist trash that it even 25 years ago it used to be.

This woman is a fool, just ignore her and she will eventually find something else to do .

 

[ChrisFL]

Japanese flags still fly. German flags still fly. Italian flags still fly. We disintegrated how many Japanese citizens with a bomb and we still fly our flag. Let her fly the darn flag and ignore her if she's bothering you.

Your point here isn't valid...the other flags are actual country flags which existed in peace time and still exist today. The confederate flag was a WAR flag, and it does not exist today except in a few people's minds of a war that was fought several generations ago.

 

[luvsJack]

1. Saying that someone is flying the flag (or doing anything else) because of their southern pride has NOTHING to do with the war and who won. Many southerners are proud of who they are, where they come from and of their southern heritage--that doesn't mean they are racist, doesn't mean they are out flying flags, and it doesn't mean they are still fighting the war.

I don't fly a confederate flag, don't own one. But I am very proud of being from the south and of my southern heritage--NOT because of the war and NOT because of slavery but because of all the good and positive things about this region.

2. This woman is an idiot and should be ignored. She may or may not be racist but mainly she just seems to be trying to get attention and stir up trouble.

3. Waaay too much power is placed on this piece of cloth.

 

[metalis4ever]

The cross on their flag is an "X" (Cross of St. Andrews) but I was talking about literally burning crosses. I am not an expert on Scottish history but I watched a special once on the subject and the way the different clans would make their members and other clans aware of a pending battle or war was to burn crosses in the countryside. It was a call to arms.

The burning of a cross wasn't originated with the KKK anymore than the swastika was invented by the Nazis.

You are 100% correct, the origins of burning crosses is Scottish. Crann Tara which translated means Fiery Cross.

 

[Wishing on a star]

FYI

Hello...
There is no doubt, at all, whether this woman is a racist (or just an idiot).
She IS a racist.

Racism comes under many guises.
Many racist really do not even realize that they are racist.

And, today, even many racists who are well aware that they are racists would very vehemently deny it. Racism and hate speech are pretty much illegal.

And, for what it is worth....
I am from the South, born, bred, and proud.
I too would never fly the confederate flag.

My husband's family, on the other hand, from the North.
VERY racist.

Let's all be careful not to paint with too broad of brushes.

 

[Golf4food]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

 

[luvmy3]

So are all Mississippians racists? Their State flag still incorporates the confederate flag design.

 

[luvsJack]

So are all Mississippians racists? Their State flag still incorporates the confederate flag design.

Exactly and I can answer with a rousing NO!! We are not all racist but we voted not to change our state flag.

 

[daisax]

I don't see other countries or areas flying flags of their failed attempts long after they lost a war

Texans and Californians display their former "national" flags here and there.

Nobody is saying that you can't be proud of your Confederate ancestors (at least I hope not. America (as a whole) has had its share of battles and wars that probably should not have been fought, but the regular people were called to serve and served, and you can't hold that against them.

The only real comparison for the confederate flag in terms of its role as a threatening object in and of itself is the Nazi flag. Certain populations were targeted by proud wavers of those flags, and hate groups that CONTINUE to target those same populations still wave those flags in their cause.

I seem to remember a kerfuffle a few years ago about Japanese tourists wearing their flag on a visit to Pearl Harbor, so context is everything. Old confederate flag mounted and framed in your livingroom? Historical artifact. On a flag pole in 2011? Somebody looking for attention, positive or negative. And sadly, the more negative attention from society at large, the more positive attention from those who probably share her views.

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

I don't really consider myself a Southerner and I think it's ridiculous that she is doing this in a predominantly black neighborhood but my fiance (who is from here in Colorado...so definitely not a Southerner) and I both agree that in truth, the Civil War was a second Revolution about states' rights that the South happened to lose. Of course, it wasn't totally about states' rights and for that reason I would not be on the Confederate side but it also wasn't 100% about slavery or racism so I can understand why some people would be proud of Southern heritage.

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

This is what I was trying to say but this was said much better.

 

[Feralpeg]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44667234/ns/us_news-life/#.ToBue80wT19

SUMMERVILLE, S.C. — A year ago, dozens marched to protest the Confederate flag a white woman flew from her porch in a historically black Southern neighborhood. After someone threw a rock at her porch, she put up a wooden lattice. That was just the start of the building.
Earlier this year, Annie Chambers Caddell's neighbors built two solid 8-foot high wooden fences on either side of her modest brick house to shield the Southern banner from view.
Late this summer, Caddell raised a flagpole higher than the fences to display the flag. Then a similar pole with an American flag was placed across the fence in the yard of neighbor Patterson James, who is black.
One hundred and fifty years after the Civil War began about 20 miles away in Charleston Harbor, fights continue over the meaning of the Confederate flag.

Some see it as a symbol of slavery and racism; others like Caddell say it's part of their Southern heritage.
"I'm here to stay. I didn't back down and because I didn't cower the neighbors say I'm the lady who loves her flag and loves her heritage," said the 51-year old Caddell who moved into the historically black Brownsville neighborhood in the summer of 2010.

Her ancestors fought for the Confederacy.

Last October, about 70 people marched in the street and sang civil rights songs to protest the flag, while about 30 others stood in Caddell's yard waving the Confederate flag.
Caddell: I'm not a racist
Opponents of the flag earlier gathered 200 names on a protest petition and took their case to a town council meeting where Caddell tearfully testified that she's not a racist.
Local officials have said she has the right to fly the flag, while her neighbors have the right to protest. And build fences.
"Things seemed to quiet down and then the fences started," Caddell said. "I didn't know anything about it until they were putting down the postholes and threw it together in less than a day."

Aaron Brown, the town councilman whose district includes Brownsville, said neighbors raised money for the fences.
"The community met and talked about the situation," he said. "Somebody suggested that what we should do is just go ahead and put the fences up and that way somebody would have to stand directly in front of the house to see the flag and that would mediate the flag's influence."

Caddell isn't bothered by the fences and said they even seem to draw more attention to her house.
"People driving by here because of the privacy fences, they tend to slow down," she said.
"If the objective was to block my house from view, they didn't succeed very well," Caddell added.

The Confederate flag remains a sensitive issue in South Carolina.
The battle emblem of the Confederacy had flown on the dome of the Statehouse in Columbia since the Civil War centennial in the 1960s when state lawmakers voted in 2000 to move it to a Confederate monument in front of the building.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has waged a tourism boycott on the state since then as it seeks to have the flag removed from the Statehouse grounds.
Caddell, Brown and James all say things have been quiet in Brownsville in recent months.
"She's got a right to do what she wants to do," James said.
"That's all I really have to say. She can do what she wants to do in her yard, but I don't share her beliefs."
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Of course this woman is well within her rights to do this. I personally think her behavior and actions are ignorant and vile. I have heard the "southern pride" argument on what the flag means and just don't get it. Why would anyone take pride in secession?

My thoughts on Annie(from the story)... I don't think it's southern pride. I think she's a racist. She moved to a predominately black neighborhood. We all know what the confederate flag symbolizes for black people - slavery/suppression of basic human rights. She's just "poking at a hornet's nest." Sure hope she doesn't get stung.

Her neighbors build a fence on their properties so they don't have to see the flag every time they look out their window or step outside. So, what does Miss Southern Pride do? She does what any self respecting racist would do. She gets a higher flagpole so the flag will be seen over the fence. She just wants to shove her "southern pride" in everybody's face. What a revolting piece of trash!

You can't just ignore history. It happened. People should use their knowledge of historical events to make sure that nothing similar happens in the future. I see absolutely nothing wrong with what the woman is doing. She is proud of her southern heritage. No one knows by the flag what part her family played in the south.

My family is related to the Tudors. Should I hide that fact just because Henry VIII was a lunatic? Nope. I'm proud of it.

Sorry, I just don't agree with you. I also don't see it as a race thing. Everyone is so quick to play the race card. There was a lot more to the Civil War than race.

 

[Feralpeg]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

 

[luvsJack]

Texans and Californians display their former "national" flags here and there.

Nobody is saying that you can't be proud of your Confederate ancestors (at least I hope not. America (as a whole) has had its share of battles and wars that probably should not have been fought, but the regular people were called to serve and served, and you can't hold that against them.

The only real comparison for the confederate flag in terms of its role as a threatening object in and of itself is the Nazi flag. Certain populations were targeted by proud wavers of those flags, and hate groups that CONTINUE to target those same populations still wave those flags in their cause.

I seem to remember a kerfuffle a few years ago about Japanese tourists wearing their flag on a visit to Pearl Harbor, so context is everything. Old confederate flag mounted and framed in your livingroom? Historical artifact. On a flag pole in 2011? Somebody looking for attention, positive or negative. And sadly, the more negative attention from society at large, the more positive attention from those who probably share her views.

THIS lady in THIS instance is looking for attention but there are many southerners who fly the confederate flag for reasons other than attention and/or racisim.

Being proud of our history and our heritage as NOTHING to do with who won the war. It has NOTHING to do with slavery. It has to do with a strong people that built their homes and their farms from nothing and then did it again. It has to do with a pride that won't quit. It has to do with people who have the strong will and heart to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and help themselves and their neighbor whether its after fire, hurricane or war. Its about who we are and where we come from.

I choose to show my pride in my heritage in other ways but some do choose to display this flag and it is their right to do so.

Again, I think this particular lady is a nut but she is within her rights. Should she fly it in a black neighborhood? Well, I wouldn't and I think if she chose to do this, she should have found a more tactful way to display it--she could still fly it but on a smaller scale.

 

[FireDancer]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

I agree with much of your post. There is a lot of misinformation about the Emancipation Proclamation (which did pretty much nothing and very well might have been ruled unconstitutional without the 13th amendment), the war in general, the number of southerners who owned slaves, and so on. It was much more complicated than what most schools teach now. Lincoln was also pretty clear that he didn't fight a war to free slaves, he fought it to preserve the union.

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.
-Letter to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Horace Greeley[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif], August 22, 1862

[/FONT]

The bolded is only partially right though. While of course there were and are racists in the north the reason the escaped slaves mostly headed to Canada was because The Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850 meant that even once an escaped slave made it north they could always be hunted down and dragged back south.

Make no mistake, I think slavery was one of the very worst aspects of our history but as with most historic issues the reality was much more complex than what we remember about it.

Hopefully this thread stays civil (no pun intended) and open. I hate how in this country we can't discuss history or race without everyone being labeled a racist.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

To set a few facts straight:

99% of the people who fought for the south in the civil war never owned a slave nor did they fight for slavery. They fought because a foreign army invaded their home states. States were much more important than the "nation" back then, in fact, most people didn't consider themselves "American" in our modern sense of the word - they were Virginians or New Yorkers or <insert state here>. "America" didn't really become "The United States of" until after the Civil War. If a foreign power decided to invade your area today you might defend it as well. Even if you lose the subsequent war your future ancestors may still be proud of your actions.

The Civil War was fought over money. Just like most politics in modern life it all comes down to the almighty dollar. The Federal government was doing things that made the north wealthy and the south less-so and yes, that included slavery, but the real issue was money. The Southern states decided that if the US Gov was doing things that harmed them they should seceed. The states had voluntarily joined the union, ergo they should be allowed to voluntarily leave the union. If I sign up for a gym membership today I shouldn't be held to it for life if the gym does things I don't like. Maybe I'll get a Bowflex in my house instead.

Just because a very small percentage of people use a Confederate battle flag as a symbol of racism does not make all southerners racist, not does it make anyone who is proud of the actions of their southern ancestors to be racists or bad people.

News flash: there are and were racists in the north as well. Where did the Underground Railroad mostly stop? Canada. Why? Because excaped slaves often had such a bad time of things once in the northern states it was safer to go to Canada.

When Lincoln passed the Emmancipation Proclimation (a useless document at the time, by the way) there were riots in the north and near mutinies in the northern armies by those who wanted nothing to do with a war about or for slavery.

There is racism everywhere. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist Asians, etc. To think otherwise is pure ignorance and to focus so intently on just white southerners is no better than the racism itself.

It is possible to be both proud of one's southern heritage and the action of one's Confederate ancestors and not be racist.

And one reason so many still keep the South "alive" today is that many of the same issues still exist politically - is the Federal government too powerful, infringing upon our rights, doing things they shouldn't be doing? I think many today, regardless of political party, would say yes. Just as the Tea Party invokes the spirit of the American Revolution there are others who look to Southern secession as the same spirit (indeed it was considered by many to be the Second American Revolution, not a Civil War, at the time).

I am glad that I took the time to read the entire thread before I replied. It is amazing how misinformed most Americans are about history - and most of the posts in this thread prove that out. This one is among the exceptions.

Most people will believe the worst about this woman - they made up their mind as soon as they heard that she wanted to fly the Confederate Flag. As for me, I believe that she is hard headed - but know nothing beyond that. The notion that she is a racist because she flies the Confererate Flag is too ignorant to be worthy of a response.

Now, back to your regularily scheduled Dis rants...

 

[metalis4ever]

I am glad that I took the time to read the entire thread before I replied. It is amazing how misinformed most Americans are about history - and most of the posts in this thread prove that out. This one is among the exceptions.

Most people will believe the worst about this woman - they made up their mind as soon as they heard that she wanted to fly the Confederate Flag. As for me, I believe that she is hard headed - but know nothing beyond that. The notion that she is a racist because she flies the Confererate Flag is too ignorant to be worthy of a response.

Now, back to your regularily scheduled Dis rants...

This is such a true statement, I think "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zin should be required reading, really gives one some real perspective on American History Not saying it's the end all and be all of US History just saying there are tons of ah ha moments contained in the pages of that book, when i read that on my own in 10th grade it changed my life. It made me research everything I thought that I knew

I agree with you this woman is just plain stubborn, jumping to the racist conclusion isn't a giant leap but it's still a jump.

 

[FireDancer]

This is such a true statement, I think "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zin should be required reading, really gives one some real perspective on American History

It was required reading for my 11th grade AP U.S. History Class. Great book. I still the book at home and have re-read most of it.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

Your point here isn't valid...the other flags are actual country flags which existed in peace time and still exist today. The confederate flag was a WAR flag, and it does not exist today except in a few people's minds of a war that was fought several generations ago.

My point is as valid as any other. People are complaining because that flag "stands for something" they don't like. Suck it up. Lot's of flags have things associated with that aren't all that great. The fact whether the "country" remains or not has little to do with the matter. The flag we use started as a "war flag".