Sorority-costs, savings, process questions...

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Hello! My daughter has decided she wants to be in a sorority this coming fall, and I know very little about how the process works now--or how to help her.

First off, can anyone help recommend a website, book, etc., that can help us understand how the process works now? I was not in a sorority, and my friends who were tell me that things have changed.

Next, what will a sorority cost, and what will the cost include? What should she/we budget for besides dues and initiation? Are there ways to save on clothing or rush costs? And what are girls wearing to rush?

She will be attending a small southern school next hear where more than half of the students go greek. Should she be contacting the organizations or begin networking now? We live up north, and she will be staying on campus for a weekend soon to meet people and become familiar with the campus and programs. Right now, she knows no one else who will be attending the school. How does she find out if letters of recommendation are needed?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Good luck to your daughter! The National Panhellenic Conference, which is the organization the sorority your daughter will likely join is a part of. They have a website - http://thesororitylife.com/index.aspx with a lot of the information she will be looking for. She should also check out her school's greek life page because it should have information as well, date of recruitment, if there's a cost, if she needs to sign up by a certain date etc. It's also possible that when she goes for the weekend event that they will have a presence and she can ask any questions there.

I do recommend she get recommendations for the sororities on that campus because all of the schools I'm aware of in the South require them, though they are all larger schools. The above site I linked gives the emails and websites to the executive offices of each sorority, that's not how I would recommend she go about connecting. There are alumnae chapters for sororities and alumnae panhellenic chapters all over and these women will write recommendations. I find it's better to start at the local level and see what you can find out and then let them connect you with someone. I've had several women over the past few years contact me or a sister I work with in the alumnae chapters to get a recommendation and I will put them in touch with the appropriate person for the school they are attending.

I volunteer on the quadrant level for my sorority, we divide the US and Canada in 4, and work with several alumnae chapter presidents in the west. I'm more than happy to help more if your searches don't get you the results you hoped for. I also have friends in the south, though they may not be in the area she will be in. I served as my alumnae chapter's deleget in the alumnae panhellenic chapter in Charlotte for 2 years when I was living there.
 
Agree with the poster above. Get the recommendations! It will never be a bad thing. I would ask your friends and mothers of your D's classmates if they are affiliated with a sorority. I know that when my D was graduating from HS, I had friends inquire if she was going to rush and offering to write a recommendation and also try to find someone who was in a sorority that was on my D's campus. Networking on your part is good. There are people who were in sororities that you never knew and they were happy to help.

Greekchat is a website I've heard of but don't have any experience with.

Have your D pay close attention to what girls are wearing when she visits campus. I know it shouldn't matter but it does. I feel that southern schools, the girls that are in sororities dress up more than they do in the north.
 
Good for your daughter!! I hope she ends up with the one that is the best fit for her.

I will tell you a little bit about how it worked in my school. I was a Delta Zeta at a small private school in Pennsylvania. We only had 4 chapters but our greek life really grew while I was there.

First off, can anyone help recommend a website, book, etc., that can help us understand how the process works now? I was not in a sorority, and my friends who were tell me that things have changed.

Next, what will a sorority cost, and what will the cost include? What should she/we budget for besides dues and initiation? Are there ways to save on clothing or rush costs? And what are girls wearing to rush?

She will be attending a small southern school next hear where more than half of the students go greek. Should she be contacting the organizations or begin networking now? We live up north, and she will be staying on campus for a weekend soon to meet people and become familiar with the campus and programs. Right now, she knows no one else who will be attending the school. How does she find out if letters of recommendation are needed?

1. The NPC website recommended above is a good start. She can look online at the school's website, most likely, to see what sororities they offer. She can research a bit from there.

2. My sorority cost $45 per month in dues. We paid dues September - April. May through August was "summer dues" where we paid $90 one time. So basically we paid 10 months worth of dues. This included basically everything, including 2 t-shirts for various events per semester, all national and panhellenic fees, etc. This also included panhellenic fees for our university - our university had a panhellenic chapter (basically all the sororities together) that planned recruitment and other activities for all the girls to do together. In Pennsylvania you can NOT have a sorority house, just a suite in the on campus dorms, so we had a very small housing fee that was built into the monthly dues. I am not sure how a school in the south would work if they had a house, if it cost extra, etc.

We also paid "new member dues" that were due during our first semester of recruitment. I was treasurer for 2 years and I can't tell you (sadly) how many girls we lost due to those fees. I want to say it's somewhere in the ballpark of $400, one time, for the new members. A lot of college students simply couldn't afford it and didn't work - so if your daughter has the opportunity to save a little now, knowing she wants to go greek, that can't hurt. Also, we did a lot of fundraising to off-set those costs. Jewelry, cookie dough, working snack stands at football games, etc.

3. For Rush, as a potential new member, we had to dress business casual. I know in my first semester at school I had maybe one or two business casual outfits with me, so the girls on my floor all got together and pieced together outfits from each other's closets! Black dress pants, flats, a dress or skirt, etc, will probably do just fine. I think one night they just asked the girls to wear jeans and we wore jeans to make them more comfortable. I am not sure how formal they get, but I believe on Pref Night, we all got a little more formal with a cocktail dress (think wedding attire). We also needed "whites" for new member events. There are different chapter rituals, depends on the sorority she chooses, but a lot will require her to wear whites. It's not like she needs a fancy white outfit by any means - a white top or blouse of some kind, plain as possible, and a white skirt will do. Or a white dress if she happens to have one. Modest, not too short, rather plain, and she would be just fine.

4. I would have her research the school's Panhellenic Council as best as she can - likely if their Greek population is so big, they have a website, or a facebook page, or a twitter. She can probably contact them for more information about when recruitment is, what sororities they have, and maybe someone would talk to her about some things. Generally, schools have Recruitment Counselors for each academic year. The RC's are girls in different sororities, that come together through Panhellenic Council, to assist with recruitment. When I did it, we remained anonymous so as to not sway any of the girls in one way, and give them an objective opinion. She can kind of begin networking to see what the different organizations are like, but at my school it was kind of frowned upon to bring a girl to recruitment that you knew - our school wanted the girls to have an objective opinion to find what sorority worked best for them. Hope that makes sense.

5. A little bit about recruitment from a new member standpoint. You sign up. At our school it was 3 main nights of recruitment, like 8-10 PM I think. All of the girls are split up and they'll go visit each sorority - at their house or just at a neutral location, sometimes we did it in different meeting rooms on campus. The sorority will basically pitch to them all about their chapter, philanthropy, activities, organization background, etc. They'll schmooze the new members and talk to them, trying to pair them up with people of similar interests ("Oh, you play volleyball? Well so does Ashley, why don't we introduce you to her!?") They'll usually provide some snacks and drinks. You move on to the next chapter - same thing happens. At our school we only have 4 chapters so it was 20-30 minutes with each one. At the end of the night, the new girls go home, the chapters get together and decide who they would like to invite back. At the meeting after for the chapter, they have the opportunity to "red card" someone (at least in my chapter, this is how it worked). We went one by one, and we were allowed to talk about the potential new members. Not really a gossip section - more of a "who got to talk to this girl, what did you think?" session. There are so many potential new members, you can't talk to them all. So anyone that did would give a basic run down and say why they liked this girl. You have the opportunity to "red card someone, and the majority of the chapter has to agree. Red card means we would not invite her back the next night.

Unless someone said something rude ("I'm only here because my mom wants me to join a stupid sorority", etc) or really offended someone or something, there is no reason they wouldn't be asked back. At least at my school, we didn't judge girls based on looks. We wanted to build a sisterhood and include people - it wasn't catty. You get invited (or not) back for a second night, usually they'll notify the girls with handwritten cards to personalize things.

Night 2 you go back and again learn a little more about the organization. Pretty much the same as the first night - maybe a little more serious in who they invite back. The third night is Preference Night. Everyone is dressed up, it's very intimate and quiet, the chapter usually takes it very seriously and the girls will kind of give testimonies about why they liked the sorority, stuff like that. At the end of the night, new members make their choice and write it on a card. The chapters also make their choice, ranking the girls they want in their chapter. At my school we divided up the new members among the chapters so that it wasn't like one chapter was getting everyone - I forget how it worked but we had a certain "total" we had to meet in terms of numbers and you could only go within a certain number of total, so usually sororities were about the same size and everyone got about the same number of new girls.

The next day is Bid Day, where the chapters all wait outside in groups, in matching t-shirts, and the new members all get an envelope. The new members were all handed their envelopes, told 3-2-1, open! You find out what chapter you're in and run towards them with open arms and lots of hugs! It's really fun! Then you go hang out with all of your new sisters, eat pizza, etc.

My school made it a point of NOT socializing with chapter members during recruitment if you were a potential new member. It's not supposed to be clique-y and they don't want you to sway towards one sorority because you know someone. I actually made friends with someone my freshman year who was not in a sorority but decided to join ours sophomore year, and I couldn't be friends with her all week. I'm not sure how Southern schools work in that respect.

Anyways, sorry I am so long winded. It was a very worthwhile experience for me. It's not for everyone but I think your daughter is doing the right thing by researching her options. If she is a legacy of any kind (mom or aunt or someone was in a sorority), she can probably get an automatic bid. I'm not sure how the legacy rules work but I had 2 cousins that were in a local chapter of Delta Zeta. A lot of chapters should have a legacy form she can fill out if she wants to be part of a sorority that a family member was in.

Ultimately regardless of which sorority she ends up with, I hope it's a great fit for her! A lot of girls are sad that they can't get their first choice (I did get mine), but as long as she is herself and makes a good impression on the chapters (I'm sure she will), she should be just fine! :)
 

I'm curious about southern sororities - did you have things like hell week/night? Call outs with blindfolds? Pledge books? Hazing?

We sure did! Keeping my grades up was so tough that semester. I can still smell the stale beer from those beer slides at the frat houses.
 
I'm curious about southern sororities - did you have things like hell week/night? Call outs with blindfolds? Pledge books? Hazing?

We sure did! Keeping my grades up was so tough that semester. I can still smell the stale beer from those beer slides at the frat houses.

They can't haze any more. Scavenger hunts are often not allowed because it's considered hazing. I'm sure in some chapters there are minor things that happen, but nothing like it used to. I also have a hard time with scavenger hunts being hazing, but often it can be the simple act of singling the new member class out that can be considered hazing.

Also, you said more than half of the school goes greek. How many chapters are on the campus? It's likely if there are several that there will be cuts and she needs to be ok with potentially not getting asked back to one she may have liked. They will cut for things like grades and to be honest, with the amount of time spent with each potential new member, it can be because the few people she met at that party didn't like her. Unfortunately it does happen that way.

I would suggest to her, as I do all pnm's (potential new members) going through recruitment when I have helped with bid card signing, go with the house you feel most comfortable with. Who would you be able to call at 3am if you needed a ride or just to talk. I'm not saying that picking a chapter because it's best on campus won't work out, but you want to be where you feel comfortable and get along with the women. Which reminds me, I read a great blog post a couple weeks ago about this that may help, though it does seem to be geared more towards the volunteers and those working for a sorority. http://doctorgentry.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-tale-of-two-sororities-or-perhaps-its.html?m=1
 
I'm curious about southern sororities - did you have things like hell week/night? Call outs with blindfolds? Pledge books? Hazing?

We sure did! Keeping my grades up was so tough that semester. I can still smell the stale beer from those beer slides at the frat houses.

In the late 80s, I was a Tri Delta at William and Mary in Virginia. The sororities on our campus didn't haze. It was a very pleasant experience from the get go!

I know rush has changed a little over the years, and big southern schools (in Texas and SEC schools) had/have a pretty hard core rush. DS just pledged a fraternity at his school. While he was going through rush, I googled about it and stumbled across this super informative blog for girls' rush. It was written by a mom who prepped her own daughters for rush at SEC schools. DD will be in college in a 1.5 years so I bookmarked it.

http://sororitygirl101.com/about-2/

I would suggest to her, as I do all pnm's (potential new members) going through recruitment when I have helped with bid card signing, go with the house you feel most comfortable with. Who would you be able to call at 3am if you needed a ride or just to talk. I'm not saying that picking a chapter because it's best on campus won't work out, but you want to be where you feel comfortable and get along with the women.

afan gives excellent advice! It is the exact same advice DH and I (both of us went Greek) gave our DS during his recent rush. At the beginning he was caught up in the tiers - which of the 32 frats were the most popular on campus, which were middle tier, etc. We told him to go where he fit best, where he liked the guys best and not to worry about tiers. He didn't get it until he actually was in the middle of the process. After the first couple of rounds, he cut a bunch of houses because he didn't really gel with the guys in them. He pledged his first choice - the house full of guys he liked best.

As for cost....it can be all over the place. DS will pay $900 this semester. Not sure what it will be next semester - $1000 for the year I think. If he decides to live in the house it will be $2700 a semester (includes: room, utilities, meal plan, laundry, dues). At his school it is a substantial cost savings to live in the fraternity house. University room and board rates are really high, as are off campus apartment rents!

Good luck to your daughter!!!
 
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DS is in a frat, this is his second year. His school had a lot of activities for each frat. He asked a lot of questions. I know very little other than his frat is very service oriented, no frat houses allowed at his school and he really enjoys it. He pays for all of it on his own. We did help him with buying a suit and other dress clothes. They are required to dress up for meetings.

It has been a great experience for him and one I am glad I am not involved in. OP, your dd will figure it all out once she gets to school.
 
DS is in a frat, this is his second year. His school had a lot of activities for each frat. He asked a lot of questions. I know very little other than his frat is very service oriented, no frat houses allowed at his school and he really enjoys it. He pays for all of it on his own. We did help him with buying a suit and other dress clothes. They are required to dress up for meetings.

It has been a great experience for him and one I am glad I am not involved in. OP, your dd will figure it all out once she gets to school.

For boys' rush, you can wait to figure it out once you are at school. Frats don't worry about recommendations the way sororities do. For girls' rush it would be a good idea for your daughter to do a little online investigation over the summer. She should find out what sororities are at her school and work on getting her recommendations done. A friend's daughter rushed an SEC school last Fall. During the summer, my friend sent a Facebook message to all her friends listing all the sororities at her DD's school and asked if any of us who were members would write recs for her daughter. Her daughter then sent her "Rush Resume" to all who agreed to write recs. The Rush Resume included a headshot, her high school info (including class rank and GPA), her sports, community service, activities, awards, and her planned major. All the recs plus the Rush Resume had to be sent to the school by a specific date. It was a way more involved process than fraternity rush.
 
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For many schools, especially those in the south, though I don't know if OP's daughter's school is included since it's smaller, waiting until summer is even too late. The OP and her daughter are being very proactive and are only a little ahead of when they need to start looking into things. With events in the spring that incoming freshman attend and often needing to sign up for rush in late spring/early summer, it's good to get an idea of things now. Especially with some schools holding recruitment before school starts, it could impact when she heads to school etc.

ETA - the last thing an alumna wants to deal with is a pnm that has waited too long to get her recommendation done. This is where early planning is helpful, especially when you need to search for these women.
 
Thanks to you all for the helpful advice!

The school that my daughter will be attending is a small private. There are six sororities. Students who don't go Greek are in the minority.

DD is an only daughter and loves the idea of having "sisters." She has been involved in varsity sports for four years and loves the sense of community and sisterhood that being on a team offers. She is heavily involved in school and community service and does very well academically. She has been a class officer every year, is an officer of the Key Club, and she has held a job for four summers. In short, she has done her part, and I want to make sure that I support her the way any caring mother would. I don't want to drop the ball!
 
Thanks so much for the help!

Another question has come up. We have found rec writers for 3 of the 6 sororities in campus without having to network too much. When should the alumni write the letters? And do they send the letters to the chapters with her resume attached, or do they give those letters to my daughter so that she can send them at the right time?

Thanks so much for the continued help! :)
 
They need to check with their sorority on the process used. I know they are called letters, but I believe they are often forms. At least mine uses a form, because there's certain information they need. They should be able to find the information on their sorority website.

I just did a quick look at my sorority's page and it has a link on the main page for potential new members and from there has a link for what the alumnae should do for a recomendation. I also believe they can be sent at any time, though there will be a deadline for the campus in the summer. I would check with the campus's greek life to see if there is a deadline, but I would shoot for April - June unless there are events prior to that.

The page will also have good information for your daughter if she's curious about each chapter, I had forgotten ours and I'm sure others have those pages on their official page.

Feel free to PM me if you need help with the other chapters on her campus and I can see if I either know someone or can help figure out how to find someone.
 
Mine used a form as well. Again, I'm from the northeast, where networking and recommendations doesn't mean as much. With Delta Zeta, if you're a legacy (family member) you would pretty much automatically get a bid, but there is also a form to fill out. I agree with checking with the sorority's websites, and maybe even someone at the school like the Greek Life advisor. He/she should know if there is a form or if it can be a letter.
 















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