Someone needs to stop Hugh Hefner's girlfriends...

[Kudrah]

I am just stunned, actually. I've seen kids riding with adults, but never 2 adults trying to share one scooter. ***??

 

[cm8]

I am just stunned, actually. I've seen kids riding with adults, but never 2 adults trying to share one scooter. ***??

They both seem to fit perfectly fine. maybe they needed each other to balance

 

[SueM in MN]

I am just stunned, actually. I've seen kids riding with adults, but never 2 adults trying to share one scooter. ***??

On our last trip to WDW, I did see 2 adults trying to share one scooter. I don’t know which actually needed the scooter or why they were riding together, but as I mentioned with the Hefner pictures, people who are riding 2 to one ECV are not showing good judgement.

On one of the scooters I saw, the 2 people were sitting side by side like on the picture on this thread.
On the other scooter, I am not sure how the second person got there, but was an adult sitting on the top of the scooter seatback (where a headrest would be) with her legs over the shoulder of the guy driving and his head between her legs. She was leaning over and grabbing her arms around his neck. It doesn’t seem possible, but there it was.

I also saw a child standing on the back bumpers of the ECV tires, which I had never seen before.

 

[LockShockBarrel]

I guess the small consulation is that if they were to get hurt (and I'm not wishing it on them...) a lawsuit against Disney would probably be laughed out of court.

 

[toocherie]

I guess Hef was too cheap to get them each their own scooter.

I found it interesting too that the scooters were off-site rentals--who woulda thought that Hef and his minions would have known to do that!

And recently I've seen a lot of children riding with adults--right by CMs who seem to be oblivious to it at Disneyland. I have seen more enforcement of the "no riding double" rule at WDW.

 

[Blanche_Neige]

I saw the photo this a.m. on another site and had to laugh. There are so many things wrong with that picture. Maybe they have a legitimate need for the ECV. Perhaps being fully clothed interferes with their equilibrium. They might topple over onto some innocent bystander if they were forced to walk.

 

[justgeorgi]

I do agree they are ridiculous...but anyone that wants to rent an ECV can and should be allowed to do so.

 

[retired and happy]

Wrong! Can you imagine the congestion on Main Street if virtually everyone was riding an ECV? ECV's should be restricted to those with a need!.. Now, that need may not be evident, but common sense should prevail. We have three children in wheelchairs and know the problems getting them through the crowds.

 

[KPeveler]

Wrong! Can you imagine the congestion on Main Street if virtually everyone was riding an ECV? ECV's should be restricted to those with a need!.. Now, that need may not be evident, but common sense should prevail. We have three children in wheelchairs and know the problems getting them through the crowds.

No, sorry. ECVs can ans should be allowed to be rented in an unrestricted manner. That is the law - the ADA forbids requiring proof to rent or buy an ECV or wheelchair.

People SHOULD, however, refrain from using one if not necessary, but no, they will not be (nor should they be) restricted in any legal sense.

And to the previous poster - the argument was not about whether or not they needed the ECV< but that there were 2 people on one ECV - this is against the rules of Disney AND Their rental contract.

 

[retired and happy]

Yes, I agree there should not be a legal prohibition on able bodied people using ECV's. It is just a sad commentary on our times that there are some people who abuse the system. Our kids would LOVE to be able to walk...even occasionally. Sorry for the venting.

 

[chaoslobster]

Maybe that's why they rented the ECVs off-site. If you rented a Disney ECV, you signed a contract stating you won't (among other things) allow anyone to ride double. The CMs can enforce that or take away the ECV. It might not be true for an off-site rental. Even if "no riding double" is in the off-site contract, there isn't anyone around from the rental company to enforce the rules. I'm not sure Disney is legally able to prevent guests from using their privately owned or rented vehicles any way they choose.

At least everybody is properly dressed! I read somewhere that in the earlier days of the park Hef showed up with a bevy of Bunnies all wearing the bunny costumes, and CMs at the gate made them put on more clothes before they were allowed in.

 

[KPeveler]

Maybe that's why they rented the ECVs off-site. If you rented a Disney ECV, you signed a contract stating you won't (among other things) allow anyone to ride double. The CMs can enforce that or take away the ECV. It might not be true for an off-site rental. Even if "no riding double" is in the off-site contract, there isn't anyone around from the rental company to enforce the rules. I'm not sure Disney is legally able to prevent guests from using their privately owned or rented vehicles any way they choose.

At least everybody is properly dressed! I read somewhere that in the earlier days of the park Hef showed up with a bevy of Bunnies all wearing the bunny costumes, and CMs at the gate made them put on more clothes before they were allowed in.

Actually they can say something to the guest - it is even their policy to do so.

The ADA prevents Disney from requiring proof of disability but the ADA also only protects one person - the person with a disability, not the rest of their party. The ADA defines mobility devices as being for a single person (which is one reason a golf cart is not an ADA-protected device). Also, the ADA does not protect people operating devices in an unsafe manner. even the manufacturer of the ECVs put in their owners manuals NOT to ride double.

Disney employees in California are just uncomfortable having to say anything (and I have had many of them tell me this), so they ignore it. Even security, who don't have to be as sunny, look the other way.

The only way to change this is for us to keep writing to disney, asking them to start enforcing this rule.

 

[SueM in MN]

Actually they can say something to the guest - it is even their policy to do so.

The ADA prevents Disney from requiring proof of disability but the ADA also only protects one person - the person with a disability, not the rest of their party. The ADA defines mobility devices as being for a single person (which is one reason a golf cart is not an ADA-protected device). Also, the ADA does not protect people operating devices in an unsafe manner. even the manufacturer of the ECVs put in their owners manuals NOT to ride double.

Disney employees in California are just uncomfortable having to say anything (and I have had many of them tell me this), so they ignore it. Even security, who don't have to be as sunny, look the other way.

The only way to change this is for us to keep writing to disney, asking them to start enforcing this rule.

 

[LockShockBarrel]

I say if you're going to have the dang policy, enforce it!

As silly as this may sound, where I work has a policy that unless you have direct permission from the store manager, you are not allowed to take pictures of any product or display. It falls under our privacy policy and we are expected to enforce it. It exists originally so that other companies weren't allowed to take pictures of our displays and copy them, and now will protect customers and employees privacy in a rapidly expanded technological world. For all we know, someone could be zooming a camera in on a little kid or who knows what else...but anyway... I've asked people countless times not to take pictures in the store. Sometimes it's very innocent, and we'll let it go, like if someone was taking a close up picture of a flower in the floral department or my department has a fiberglass cow on display and people like to take pictures of their kids with it. Most of the time, if I say something I'll get a funny look or a "whatever", but sometimes people well get really angry about it. I had a guy take a picture of a sign, and asked him politely to stop and to delete the picture. His girlfriend came FLYING over demandind to know what the problem was. I told her and she gets in my face "SO YOU WALK AROUND AND TELL PEOPLE NOT TO TAKE PICTURES? OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE DOING GREAT AT YOUR LITTLE EFFING JOB" (but she really dropped the f bomb). I was left to smile at her and say "Would you like to speak to security about it? I could have them over here real quick...if you'd like." So she stomped off, and the boyfriend was left to follow her, seemingly very confused as to why she had such a fit over it. So if you've made it through my little tale...my point is that when stuff like that happens, it's not surprising that someone would shy away from enforcing a policy that might seem silly to some people. I don't think it's right that they don't say anything...but I understand why.

 

[Momelie]

Actually, I'm not sure about California, but at WDW you can call the phone number on the back of the rental ECVs and let them know about the dangerous behavior and believe me, they will do something about it!

At Epcot one day I got run over, as in knocked to the ground, by a lady in a heavy duty rental who had a canopy and not one but two grandchildren riding with her, and one was steering and the other was operating the rabbit/turtle! She also had another scooter following closely. My daughter got the scooter number of the back scooter and we just saw the HD part of the front scooter and knew how to describe it - called the company from our cell phones (it was a popular one, many around to get the number from), and he immediately knew who we were talking about and had recieved a complaint the day before! We saw them the next day at AK with the one lady in a WDW wheelchair and nobody in a scooter.

I don't know if it would work anywhere else, especially with Disney itself, but if nobody speaks up, then how will the people who can do something about it know?

 

[kaffinito]

Now, now, let's not be jugemental...



Stupid is an invisible disability.

Actually they can say something to the guest - it is even their policy to do so.

The ADA prevents Disney from requiring proof of disability but the ADA also only protects one person - the person with a disability, not the rest of their party. The ADA defines mobility devices as being for a single person (which is one reason a golf cart is not an ADA-protected device). Also, the ADA does not protect people operating devices in an unsafe manner. even the manufacturer of the ECVs put in their owners manuals NOT to ride double.

Disney employees in California are just uncomfortable having to say anything (and I have had many of them tell me this), so they ignore it. Even security, who don't have to be as sunny, look the other way.

The only way to change this is for us to keep writing to disney, asking them to start enforcing this rule.

 

[SueM in MN]

Actually, I'm not sure about California, but at WDW you can call the phone number on the back of the rental ECVs and let them know about the dangerous behavior and believe me, they will do something about it!

At Epcot one day I got run over, as in knocked to the ground, by a lady in a heavy duty rental who had a canopy and not one but two grandchildren riding with her, and one was steering and the other was operating the rabbit/turtle! She also had another scooter following closely. My daughter got the scooter number of the back scooter and we just saw the HD part of the front scooter and knew how to describe it - called the company from our cell phones (it was a popular one, many around to get the number from), and he immediately knew who we were talking about and had recieved a complaint the day before! We saw them the next day at AK with the one lady in a WDW wheelchair and nobody in a scooter.

I don't know if it would work anywhere else, especially with Disney itself, but if nobody speaks up, then how will the people who can do something about it know?

You may have prevented someone else from getting hurt.