Somebody is going to PAY

FYI we don't have any planes that are capable of flying at 200,000 feet and 12,000 miles per hour. The shuttle had no escort at that altitude.

DH is really into the space program (astronautical engineering degree) and he said the most likely cause was tiles coming off or failure of the computer which flies/glides the shuttle down.

This is so sad. :confused:
 
towncrier,
Barbara morgan , the teacher in space that was supposed go up in November, actually became a regular astronaut.
 
rajah wrote earlier...
If it was an accident, it's one of the most ironic accidents in modern history timing-wise.

Unfortunately this time of year hasn't been good for the space program.....Jan 27, 1967(?) Apollo 13, Jan 28, 1986 Challenger, Feb 1, 2003 Colombia......

Not trying to cause trouble but we have had accidents very close together.....
 
The whole deal is just plain aweful and I feel so sad for the families of the men and women on board.....:(
 

Gosh you guys. Many people who work at NASA are employees of contract businesses, not employees of NASA itself. Does it really make a difference? My ex-father-in-law is employed by Lockhead, but works at NASA. He's a system's engineer for the shuttle. Will his grief be any less because NASA doesn't actually sign his paycheck?

(((HUGS))) Rajah.
 
This is the current information from the White House and their feelings about this being terrorism or not.

WASHINGTON (Feb. 1) - There was no indication that terrorism was behind the loss of the space shuttle Columbia, administration officials said Saturday. With the flag atop the White House at half staff, President Bush hastily returned to the White House from his Camp David retreat to deal with the tragedy.

He was expected to address the nation.

A senior official, speaking on condition of anonymity said debris from the shuttle had been positively identified. Though there was no official word from NASA yet, the official said there was no hope for either the shuttle or its crew.

``It's gone,'' he said. NASA planned to confirm the shuttles loss and the deaths of crewmembers later Saturday, several U.S. officials said.

With dozens of agencies called into emergency weekend duty, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge coordinated the government response. He contacted officials in five states, including Texas, where officials said debris from the shuttle may be found.

Under an executive order signed recently by Bush, Ridge is the coordinator of all domestic incidents of this magnitude, even when terrorism is not suspected.

Ridge immediately contacted NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe, Mike Brown of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and officials at the military's Northern Command. He determined that FEMA, which becomes part of his department March 1, would be the lead agency for response and recovery.

The U.S. Northern Command will offer assistance. It was created by the Defense Department after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks solely to defend U.S. territory

Ridge called officials in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Louisiana and Oklahoma to warn them about possible debris, although officials said Arizona and New Mexico are expected to be outside the debris zone.

Bush was briefed at Camp David on the shuttle loss and then decided to return to Washington to monitor developments. ``We are awaiting more information from NASA at this point,'' spokesman Scott McClellan said.

After making the 90-minute drive from the Maryland's Catoctin Mountains, the president stepped out of a sports utility vehicle and strode to the Oval Office in a cold drizzle. Later he went to the White House residence with chief of staff Andrew Card.

``There is no information at this time that this was a terrorist incident,'' said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the Homeland Security Department. ``Obviously the investigation is just beginning, but that is the information we have now.''

FBI spokeswoman Angela Bell also said there was no indication of terrorism. She said the FBI would have a tangential role in the investigation, mainly assisting in evidence recovery.

Another official said no threat had been received against the flight, and the shuttle, at an altitude of about 203,000 feet over north-central Texas when it lost contact, was out of range of surface-to-air missiles.

A senior law enforcement official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said there had been some intelligence that raised concerns about a previously scheduled flight of Columbia, which was to have carried the same crew. The intelligence, related to Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon, was termed not credible, but the flight was postponed for other reasons. There had been no troubling intelligence regarding this flight, officials said.

McClellan said Card talked to the NASA director Sean O'Keefe ``very soon'' after the shuttle was lost, which was about 9 a.m. EST. Bush talked to O'Keefe shortly after that.

O'Keefe was meeting in Florida with the astronauts' families, an agency spokeswoman said.

Vice President Dick Cheney was briefed Saturday morning in Texas, where he was spending the weekend hunting, said spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise. She said he was following the television coverage. Millerwise would not say where Cheney was staying, but said it was not in the part of Texas area where the shuttle was lost.

Other senior officials informed were national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

On a normally slow day, White House officials were scrambling to get into the office.

``We're all watching TV and devastated and concerned,'' said John Marburger, head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
 
Wow this is so sad.

Our faith in technology has allowed us to become complacent to the risks of this type of exploration.

I for one don't think the terrorist are skilled enough to be involved.
 
I thought the VERY SAME THING Rajah, but coming home and seeing the clip, I say NO, it was just an Awful Twist of Fate.............{{{Hugs}}} to ALL! Faith.
 
You know the sad part is we may never 100% know what happened, just like in some plane crashes. My feeling is that if it had been terrorists they would have aimed for take off. Since their aim is to strike terror take off is a better opportunity. The cameras are all there and we can all see the horror (remember Challanger).

I do recall that the angle of rentry has to PERFECT and the tiles have to be in very good shape. I learned a lot of this from an uncle who was once a Nasa contractor. Any varation on those two could cause a MAJOR problem on rentry with a space vehicle.
 
I believe this was an accident. A very sad and tragic accident. :( :( :(
 
It's going to take a while to sort it out but I am starting to get the feeling they know what happend. A piece of the insulation broke off the fuel tank on lift off and struck the wing. They didn't think there was much damage. It may be a coincidence but that happening followed by the crash seems like a heck of a good place to start.
 
My first thoughts was it was terrorist related. After I took a minute and thought about it, going at Mach 18, nothing is going to hit that thing, then I remembered tiles were damaged on takeoff. Plus if the orbitor does not come down at the exact degree, break up will happen. It's a very sad tragedy. But I really don't believe it was terrorist related.
 
While it would feel safer to write it off as an unfortunate accident, no one can say for sure these days. :(

While I believe this was truly an accident, I'm not writing off the possibilty of foul play either.


I do not envy the tough job that lies ahead for the associates of NASA in trying to determine the cause, nor the attention & greif that they'll have to endure. Heroes died today in the effort for the betterment of mankind. I think that's the point we need to focus on at this time.
 
Originally posted by Jeff in BigD
......... Heroes died today in the effort for the betterment of mankind. I think that's the point we need to focus on at this time.

A statement worth reading twice. Thanks Jeff.
 
Heroes died today in the effort for the betterment of mankind

A friend of mine sent me this today. I kind of goes with what Jeff wrote...

"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and
we hope that if anything happens to us it will not delay the program.
The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."


Gus Grissom, 1926-1967

Liberty Bell 7
Gemini 3
Apollo 1
 
Col. Ramon had a wife and four kids. He was a decorated hero of the Israeli Ari Force.
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According to the Associated Press:

Just in the past week, NASA observed the anniversary of its only two other space tragedies, the Challenger explosion on Jan. 28, 1986, and the Apollo spacecraft fire that killed three on Jan. 27, 1967.

I think it is all an unfortunate coincidence that these things are happening within the same week, but different years. It would be easy to blame it on others, but this has every indication of being an accident.
 
I think... that we have made something that is so difficult (flying into outer space) look so easy for so long that we tend to take it for granted. But it is difficult, it's amazing that we can do it. And it's risky and frought with danger and these accidents (and I do believe it is just a horrible accident) serve to remind us just how dangerous an undertaking it is. And just how brave these men and women are who risk their lives everytime they go up.

My prayers are with these heros and all who love them. It's a tragedy for us all.
 


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