Some Disappointment in US/IoA

I think Six Flags has more restrictive rides than Universal. As an example Batman at Six Flags (same ride system and cars as Dragon's Challenge) doesn't have the larger seats like Dragon's Challenge. Most Six Flags parks also have another ride in addition to Batman that is very restrictive. At Great Adventure it's El Toro, at Great America and Discovery Kingdom it's V2 Vertical Velocity, at New England it is Bizarro, at America it is Superman and Joker's Jinx, at Over Texas and St. Louis it is Mr. Freeze etc.

As for the lockers, I don't mind them because they are free. Six Flags has mandatory lockers as well but the difference is you have to pay to use them. It is $1 per use and if you leave items in for longer than 2 hours, they have the right to remove the items! (I don't know what happens when a line is longer than 2 hours but I'd like to think they would let you keep the items in the locker as long as the line is). At my local Six Flags park (Great Adventure), 8 out of 10 non kiddie coasters have the mandatory lockers plus the rapids ride and log flume.
 
It's a real shame that you couldn't ride. We'd been hoping that most people could ride with the modified seats. Did you not get a red light outside or did you skip the outside test seats? It would be helpful if you could post over in the "who fits" thread, to help others wondering if they will fit in the ride.

I did not know about the test seats until after we got out. I guess I was busy looking up at Hogworts and not looking at where the test seat was.
 

I thought this was very intersesting and there were some good examples of why WDW might want to enforce a bag restriction.

A guest of WDW occupied a rocket car on 09/10/98 within space mountain. When he got on the ride he was a healthy male who worked as a doctor. At the end of the ride he was discovered slumped over in the rocket car unconcsious suffering from a laceration and contusion to the head. The police were called due to the seriousness of his injuries and the ride was closed. An investigation of the inside of the ride revealed that there were at least two items which were believed to have fallen out of cars while guests rode the ride and fell from the tracks through the ride and ending up on the floor of the structure. Disney employees walk the floor of the ride on a daily basis and find items which were not appropriately secured by patrons and fall out of the cars while the ride is in operation. The force of the accident caused the park guest's new sneakers to be almost ripped apart at the seams. The patron was taken to the local trauma center via helicopter and while released after a period he is now suffering paralysis to his left arm, pain in his legs, brain damage, memory loss. The individual is represented by David Fussell of Horwitz and Fussell, P.A. Orlando, Florida

I know this happened years ago but how many near misses have there been on some of these rides that don't require you to store your stuff. Heck, I am glad that no one got hurt when my phone fell out of my pocket on HRRR this last trip.
 
Well, I think at some point we just have to accept a certain level of risk when engaging in rides. Otherwise we would have to accept divesting ourselves of glasses, jewelry, the contents of all pockets, all footwear not laced past the ankle, etc. I think good ride design; having the track not overlap, cars designed to hold in contents, tracks that won't catch falling objects, etc will do more to mitigate this issue than increasing levels of physical security that go well beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Of note, the case described above sounds more like a passenger who stood up and was struck by an overhead beam than someone hit by something so heavy that it somehow ruptured his shoes.

And a bag restriction will do nothing to keep a cell phone in a pocket :P

Neither WDW nor US is covered with nerf foam padding. You can get hurt and if you feel the risk outweighs the benefits, no one forces anyone to do anything there.
 

My family will be doing US this Dec. We were there 2 years ago. I didn't like the lockers for numerous reasons.

1. They were so small you had to push your bag into them.
2. They were not free unless we didn't know where the free ones were
3. And there are some rides that you should be able to bring the bags on. Although I understand their reasoning for some rides, but then don't let us pay for the lockers. :headache:

As for the TM's they seemed fine. When we went one day it was pouring out and there was only about 6 of us doing Revenge of the Mummy yet when we were finished the ride they made us run all the way around to re-ride where as when we asked to re-ride TOT at Disney they took us on a special elevator that brought us to the beginning of the ride.

Im sorry to hear that you did not enjoy it there. Im sure if you were there only with your immediate family then it may have been different. I am a bit scared to have my whole family going (there will be 20 of us in total) as well.
 
My family will be doing US this Dec. We were there 2 years ago. I didn't like the lockers for numerous reasons.

1. They were so small you had to push your bag into them.
2. They were not free unless we didn't know where the free ones were
3. And there are some rides that you should be able to bring the bags on. Although I understand their reasoning for some rides, but then don't let us pay for the lockers. :headache:

As for the TM's they seemed fine. When we went one day it was pouring out and there was only about 6 of us doing Revenge of the Mummy yet when we were finished the ride they made us run all the way around to re-ride where as when we asked to re-ride TOT at Disney they took us on a special elevator that brought us to the beginning of the ride.

Im sorry to hear that you did not enjoy it there. Im sure if you were there only with your immediate family then it may have been different. I am a bit scared to have my whole family going (there will be 20 of us in total) as well.

Any ride that requires you to use a locker has free lockers in front. It has always been that way. The only way you have to pay is if you leave your stuff in the locker for longer than the allowable free time. The free time is chosen to match the estimated wait time with a bit of extra added on. You need to be careful that you remove your stuff after you ride, you can't just leave it there and go do something else.
 
And a bag restriction will do nothing to keep a cell phone in a pocket :P

I did three days at Universal with my wallet, cell phone and camera in my pockets and I brought them on all of the rides. In fact the last day I had my digital camera and a Flip camera in my pockets. I won't carry a bag around Universal after our stuff got stolen last time.

Nothing was broken, lost, or damaged...but on a few rides I could see how stuff could easily fly out or get squashed by a restraint.

I remember when we got to Disney thinking how nice it was to be able to carry a bag around again. I get why they need the lockers, but I still can't stand them.

And it wouldn't hurt Universal to extend the "free" time on those lockers, especially at the madness that is WWoHP. It's what now...about 35 minutes at the lockers by the train? We had waited a few minutes longer to get the front row on Dragon Challenge, and that cost us a quick $3 to get our butterbeer mugs out of the locker. :sad2:
 
I did three days at Universal with my wallet, cell phone and camera in my pockets and I brought them on all of the rides. In fact the last day I had my digital camera and a Flip camera in my pockets. I won't carry a bag around Universal after our stuff got stolen last time.

Nothing was broken, lost, or damaged...but on a few rides I could see how stuff could easily fly out or get squashed by a restraint.

I remember when we got to Disney thinking how nice it was to be able to carry a bag around again. I get why they need the lockers, but I still can't stand them.

And it wouldn't hurt Universal to extend the "free" time on those lockers, especially at the madness that is WWoHP. It's what now...about 35 minutes at the lockers by the train? We had waited a few minutes longer to get the front row on Dragon Challenge, and that cost us a quick $3 to get our butterbeer mugs out of the locker. :sad2:

When that happens, talk to the attendant and they will generally open your locker for free. Especially if it is just a few minutes over the time. The time at the lockers is never set. It varies with the estimated queue length.

I agree though, lockers are a real pain. Using cargo pants and fanny packs, although not the most attractive, save a lot of time.

These are great: http://www.spibelt.com/spibelt.php
 
I wear shorts with a zippered pocket that holds my keys, wallet and phones since I don't trust velcro or button pockets especially on rides that go upside down.
 
Disney should have lockers--more than once I've caught things that flew threw the air from another rider in front of me on Rock N Roller Coaster.
 
GAHHH! Another "this place isn't like Disney World, therefore we hate it" thread. Universal Orlando operates different from Disney. This was posted earlier, but I want to post it again.

A guest of WDW occupied a rocket car on 09/10/98 within space mountain. When he got on the ride he was a healthy male who worked as a doctor. At the end of the ride he was discovered slumped over in the rocket car unconcsious suffering from a laceration and contusion to the head. The police were called due to the seriousness of his injuries and the ride was closed. An investigation of the inside of the ride revealed that there were at least two items which were believed to have fallen out of cars while guests rode the ride and fell from the tracks through the ride and ending up on the floor of the structure. Disney employees walk the floor of the ride on a daily basis and find items which were not appropriately secured by patrons and fall out of the cars while the ride is in operation. The force of the accident caused the park guest's new sneakers to be almost ripped apart at the seams. The patron was taken to the local trauma center via helicopter and while released after a period he is now suffering paralysis to his left arm, pain in his legs, brain damage, memory loss.

Loose articles, when they come loose, do hurt people and maybe even kill them. Having mandatory free lockers also speeds up the loading time at the attractions. Think about if you were next to board, but a large family was in front of you with each kid having a bag. They try to squeeze the bags in between the seats, between the restraints, doesn't work, so the Team Members gets all of them to give their bags to the TM, who then puts it on the platform. This causes a delay in the dispatch, which causes the line to be longer, which causes more upset guests.

The locker policy is also used so that guests don't blame TM's for missing items if they leave them on the platform. Even if the TM didn't touch the loose articles, but the item was stolen by another guest, they'll blame the TM because "Well the bag was right there, why didn't you watch it!?!" It is not the TM's job to watch your bags/kids/grandma.

Also, the MiB bag policy does seem ridiculous, but it was put in place because of safety for the vehicles, and to speed up dispatches. Bags would fall off, land on the track, vehicles runs over them, breaks vehicles, breaks ride. ALSO, when bags were allowed, it was very common for a bag to come loose due to the spinning of the ride, so the ride would end, and guests would simply get out of the ride like normal, yet they would jump down into the ride track, attempting to receive their loose article. The operator would see that the person jumped into the track, would then have to Estop the entire ride, which kills the power to the ride. (BTW, the track that MIB runs on is fully electrified. Touch it and you die). Anywho, that's a downtime due to a dumb guest who thought he owns the place, the ride is closed, that guest gets kicked out, paperwork, evacuate the ride, get it reset, open it again. Yes it was the guests fault, but it happened so often that it lead to lockers.

I say if you don't like how they operate, then don't go. You'll miss out on some technologically amazing attractions and a step into where the future is for theme park attractions with Forbidden Journey, Mummy and Spiderman. However, if you can put up with their rules of the house, then go and enjoy it! It's like if you went to a friends house. You'd rather keep your shoes on in their house, but they want everyone's shoes off. You don't leave simply because of a rule, you deal with it. It's called being nice.


Sidenote: I worked at Tower of Terror in 2005. In their control room, you watch the camera monitors that watch the vehicles in the drop shaft. Several times per day, a bag would fly upwards, forward a bit, and land on someone else's lap. Of course people would laugh it off, but if it had been a camera bag or a something heavy, and it smacked someone in the head or face, there would be an injury. Of course something of this nature would never prompt Disney to install lockers at their attraction. Haha, we all know that Disney never puts safety above guest satisfaction. ;)

Speaking of safety, go ride a Disney ride (recently, not years ago, recently) and see if the Cast Members check your harness, or see if they ask YOU to do it for them. Lazy? Maybe. I know it is not within their Operating Guidelines to check harnesses anymore. Not sure the reasoning behind it, but they're not supposed to do it anymore, but have the guests do it themselves.

Also, large guests. It's not Universal's fault that the person in question waited in line, only to be turned away at the ride. There's no way to tell someone they need to test out a test seat without being rude. The person in question may not have tried out the test seat, which is his or her own fault.
 
If you google "too heavy at six flags", many pages of discussion boards come up with people's complaints of being too large on rides around the country. Being too heavy to ride is not just a USF issue.

Cedar Point is the least forgiving as to seat 'width', they've had test seats by the most questionable for years.:thumbsup2

Tim, 1st time ever this Oct. we had a bag come flying forward on TOT. It was one of the gift shop bags with a lightweight object in it so not a big deal it even though it wound up corking my kid on the head; just a bit startling kwim? Kicker was the 'offenders' kept yelling the rest of the ride for us to give them back their bag.:rolleyes1
 
Also, large guests. It's not Universal's fault that the person in question waited in line, only to be turned away at the ride. There's no way to tell someone they need to test out a test seat without being rude. The person in question may not have tried out the test seat, which is his or her own fault.

Maybe you should reread my post. I never said it was Universal's fault that I waited in line only to be turned away. I said I was disappointed. I also never said the TM was rude either. If anything, he was very sensitive to the situation.
 
Maybe you should reread my post. I never said it was Universal's fault that I waited in line only to be turned away. I said I was disappointed. I also never said the TM was rude either. If anything, he was very sensitive to the situation.

I don't think he was referring to you but to the original post and past posts that we've had.
 
Timmyboy, thanks for that post. I never heard that someone was injured on Space Mountain due to falling items. I know that I never felt that those loose little baskets on RnR Coaster were particularly secure. We once put DS' glasses in them but they appeared to be working themselves out of the top corner of the basket so I held the basket shut the whole time.

I spent some time looking for cargo shorts before our last trip just so I could ride FJ and a few other rides (including RnR Coaster) securely. They hold a lot and are well worth the investment IMO. We only had to get a locker once outside of MIB but that was just to store our butterbeer mug. :)
 
Timmyboy, thanks for that post. I never heard that someone was injured on Space Mountain due to falling items. I know that I never felt that those loose little baskets on RnR Coaster were particularly secure. We once put DS' glasses in them but they appeared to be working themselves out of the top corner of the basket so I held the basket shut the whole time.

I spent some time looking for cargo shorts before our last trip just so I could ride FJ and a few other rides (including RnR Coaster) securely. They hold a lot and are well worth the investment IMO. We only had to get a locker once outside of MIB but that was just to store our butterbeer mug. :)

Me too - I don't take a bag to the parks (any park) and more. I have my room key, debit card and ID, chapsitck and one of those clip on small sunscreens and my phone then I am good to go. It is very liberating. Though I do like that stretchy waist bag on the link that Damo posted. We buy food and snacks - hey I budget when I am not on vacation so I can eat and enjoy my vacation. Though one money saving trip we do use in the parks both at Disney and UO is to get the free cups of filtered water from the counter service restaurants so we don't have to carry bottles or pay for water. :thumbsup2
 
GAHHH! Another "this place isn't like Disney World, therefore we hate it" thread. Universal Orlando operates different from Disney. This was posted earlier, but I want to post it again.

A guest of WDW occupied a rocket car on 09/10/98 within space mountain. When he got on the ride he was a healthy male who worked as a doctor. At the end of the ride he was discovered slumped over in the rocket car unconcsious suffering from a laceration and contusion to the head. The police were called due to the seriousness of his injuries and the ride was closed. An investigation of the inside of the ride revealed that there were at least two items which were believed to have fallen out of cars while guests rode the ride and fell from the tracks through the ride and ending up on the floor of the structure. Disney employees walk the floor of the ride on a daily basis and find items which were not appropriately secured by patrons and fall out of the cars while the ride is in operation. The force of the accident caused the park guest's new sneakers to be almost ripped apart at the seams. The patron was taken to the local trauma center via helicopter and while released after a period he is now suffering paralysis to his left arm, pain in his legs, brain damage, memory loss.

Loose articles, when they come loose, do hurt people and maybe even kill them. Having mandatory free lockers also speeds up the loading time at the attractions. Think about if you were next to board, but a large family was in front of you with each kid having a bag. They try to squeeze the bags in between the seats, between the restraints, doesn't work, so the Team Members gets all of them to give their bags to the TM, who then puts it on the platform. This causes a delay in the dispatch, which causes the line to be longer, which causes more upset guests.

The locker policy is also used so that guests don't blame TM's for missing items if they leave them on the platform. Even if the TM didn't touch the loose articles, but the item was stolen by another guest, they'll blame the TM because "Well the bag was right there, why didn't you watch it!?!" It is not the TM's job to watch your bags/kids/grandma.

Also, the MiB bag policy does seem ridiculous, but it was put in place because of safety for the vehicles, and to speed up dispatches. Bags would fall off, land on the track, vehicles runs over them, breaks vehicles, breaks ride. ALSO, when bags were allowed, it was very common for a bag to come loose due to the spinning of the ride, so the ride would end, and guests would simply get out of the ride like normal, yet they would jump down into the ride track, attempting to receive their loose article. The operator would see that the person jumped into the track, would then have to Estop the entire ride, which kills the power to the ride. (BTW, the track that MIB runs on is fully electrified. Touch it and you die). Anywho, that's a downtime due to a dumb guest who thought he owns the place, the ride is closed, that guest gets kicked out, paperwork, evacuate the ride, get it reset, open it again. Yes it was the guests fault, but it happened so often that it lead to lockers.

I say if you don't like how they operate, then don't go. You'll miss out on some technologically amazing attractions and a step into where the future is for theme park attractions with Forbidden Journey, Mummy and Spiderman. However, if you can put up with their rules of the house, then go and enjoy it! It's like if you went to a friends house. You'd rather keep your shoes on in their house, but they want everyone's shoes off. You don't leave simply because of a rule, you deal with it. It's called being nice.


Sidenote: I worked at Tower of Terror in 2005. In their control room, you watch the camera monitors that watch the vehicles in the drop shaft. Several times per day, a bag would fly upwards, forward a bit, and land on someone else's lap. Of course people would laugh it off, but if it had been a camera bag or a something heavy, and it smacked someone in the head or face, there would be an injury. Of course something of this nature would never prompt Disney to install lockers at their attraction. Haha, we all know that Disney never puts safety above guest satisfaction. ;)

Speaking of safety, go ride a Disney ride (recently, not years ago, recently) and see if the Cast Members check your harness, or see if they ask YOU to do it for them. Lazy? Maybe. I know it is not within their Operating Guidelines to check harnesses anymore. Not sure the reasoning behind it, but they're not supposed to do it anymore, but have the guests do it themselves.

Also, large guests. It's not Universal's fault that the person in question waited in line, only to be turned away at the ride. There's no way to tell someone they need to test out a test seat without being rude. The person in question may not have tried out the test seat, which is his or her own fault.

Get over yourself.

I never said I hated USO. I said I was disappointed in some of the things I encountered. If it makes you feel better, I was also disappointed with the massive crowds I found at Disney.

I stand by my OPINION that the lockers are annoying time-sucks. Will their existence (or any of the other disappointments I found) stop me from going again? Hardly! In fact, I want to go again so I can get it right!

You USO apologists are just are vehement as the Disney apologists (of which I am one).
 
Get over yourself.

I never said I hated USO. I said I was disappointed in some of the things I encountered. If it makes you feel better, I was also disappointed with the massive crowds I found at Disney.

I stand by my OPINION that the lockers are annoying time-sucks. Will their existence (or any of the other disappointments I found) stop me from going again? Hardly! In fact, I want to go again so I can get it right!

You USO apologists are just are vehement as the Disney apologists (of which I am one).

:confused3don't think we expended more than 5 minutes total securing one, despite the extreme crowds i mentioned previously.

peeps need to realize that only 1 person in each group that'll be sharing a locker actually needs to enter the room to do the fingerprint scan & store the 'collective' gear. (naturally, im not advocating that u leave small children unattended!) Perhaps stationing a TM outside the locker room (controlling access during peak times) would help with the overall flow.
 












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