Soarin' Line Cutter's

[Anna114]

You should flip that
"THE FAMILY THAT STAYS TOGETHER RIDES TOGETHER"

Sorry if someone already wrote it haven't finshed the whole thread yet. Just thought it was funny

Have a magical day,
Anna

Hey, maybe they should market a BUMPER-STICKER:

"The family that RIDES together, STAYS together."

 

[mumzie2three]

No, that is why I used the world "example", not stone cold singular fact.

If someone is attacking another person's parenting skills, without knowing them, or anyhting about them, than they should have the foresight to understand that a seemingly well behaved child may have serious issues, or none at all. Just as a child having a tantrum may have serious issues, or none at all.

Lorelai. I'm so surprised how many parents are quick to judge others based soley on their own (highly subjective) experience. My 3 girls aren't identical clones despite the fact that I have raised them as equally as can be expected. Nature vs nurture. I would never assume a child's behavior was an automatic reflection of the skills of the parents.
Changing a child's environment in order to modify their behavior (ie, taking a fidgity 2 year old out of line for a moment) is GOOD parenting. It is being thoughtful of others in line and being sensitive to that particular child's needs at the time.
WOW, after this thread I'm a little scared about our upcoming trip. I think I'll put the kids in Pull-ups and me and DH can wear Depends. So if you get a whiff of somethin' in line that will be us.

 

[LindsayDunn228]

Is that how your parents did it when you were a kid too?

Yup!

 

[traviesojmt]

Lorelai. I'm so surprised how many parents are quick to judge others based soley on their own (highly subjective) experience. My 3 girls aren't identical clones despite the fact that I have raised them as equally as can be expected. Nature vs nurture. I would never assume a child's behavior was an automatic reflection of the skills of the parents.
Changing a child's environment in order to modify their behavior (ie, taking a fidgity 2 year old out of line for a moment) is GOOD parenting. It is being thoughtful of others in line and being sensitive to that particular child's needs at the time.
WOW, after this thread I'm a little scared about our upcoming trip. I think I'll put the kids in Pull-ups and me and DH can wear Depends. So if you get a whiff of somethin' in line that will be us.

You made me laugh out loud with this one. I find it interesting that the posters who are in such a huge uproar about a child who has to go the bathroom seem to lack a complete sense of compassion. Of course there is a difference in people who cut line to catch up with a group they did not enter the line with compared to a parent who needs to leave the line for a few moments with a young child. Would it also matter to you the "absolutely no line cutting" group on say a ride like The Haunted Mansion. If I leave the queue with my young daughter and then rejoin my husband we are going to ride in the same buggy. This wouldn't actually delay your riding at all. Is it ok then? What about a baby in diapers? Would you have any compassion then? Do you really think that we should go to the back of the line because the baby needed a diaper change? My family always enters the line together. There is no ride important enough to us to be rude to anyone. I still cannot understand the huge uproar regarding a young child who needs to leave for a moment to go to the bathroom. Come on, have some compassion.

 

[babiesX2]

People cutting in line, not getting in line together as a group, catching up to members of their group, getting out of line and then expecting to get their spot back later all bug me! I find it rude and disrespectful to others who wait politely in line. BUT, I seriously doubt that any of us who are saying how rude and annoying it is will change any "cutter's" opinion of why what they do is OK. I've seen plenty of justifications for cutting, but none of them are compelling enough for me to change my behavior and become a "cutter." I expect my kids to wait in line (not always patiently, they are kids after all). If they can't wait then they don't get to ride (every action has a consequence, either good or bad). My oldest DD13 would need to use the restroom while waiting in line. A short explanation of how we would have to start all over again in the line solved the problem. Usually when we got done with the attraction she didn't need to use the restroom after all.

 

[Belle1962]

The "cut in line "thing, as well as others, works both ways for my family.

1. I have had people literally pushing past and crawling over myself and my family to get ahead of us in the line (apparently I drive too slow for these people but too fast for the people who complain about the recklessness of ecv users)

2. I have had people push their way past me saying my family's up there, my child is up there, etc. I have also had a CM hold an entire fastpass line for myself and DH when I had a sudden attack and needed to step out to get a drink and pill. The very nice woman behind us realized what was happening and immediately offered me one of her children's juiceboxes. The CM waited for me to finish the drink, made sure I was ok to walk the rest of the way in and then let the fastpass line go..and I saw him slip her something....hopefully another fastpass (this was for Winnie the Pooh).

3. I've had to wait for a companion restroom with an able-bodied family in it because the line for the regular restroom is too long. YES--there is a difference between a COMPANION restroom and a FAMILY restroom. I've also had people let me 'cut" in front of them in the regular restroom when I have a bouncing child with me.

4. I've had people squeeze in front of, on top of and against my ecv during parades and fireworks. I've also had people let my DGS sit up front with them or offer to get us something from a food stand if they're going and know we have been sitting for awhile also.

5. I've had people literally stop dead in front of me and/or cut me off. very few apologize. I've also had people stop their entire group to let me by.

6. I've had people walk right up in front of me or talk over me to the CM at a counter service or snack cart--but I've also had people offer to help me with trays and whatnot.

7. I've encountered those "tour groups" we talk about on here and witnessed line cutting by them. I've also ridden in a Kali river river raft with a group of them and my DGS loved their singing and clapping. They even tried to teach him the song. No English exchanged but what nice girls they were!!!!

8. I've had "my days" where screaming kids, "line cutters", and rude behavior just "get" to me. But I have many more magical days because I try to help spread the magic myself--giving out unused fastpasses, letting kids sit up front with us for parades, even something as simple as sharing a handwipe with a mother and her child eating ice cream on the bench next to ours feels better in Disney.

Is line cutting a problem--yes--but is it enough to ruin your day? That depends on you.

 

[INDISMOM]

I haven't read all 12 pages on this thread so maybe someone already mentioned this: What is a polite way to make your point about cutting in line without turning it into a verbal war. This has happened to me at the safari ride at Animal Kingdom many times. I find it annoying when people are trying to catch up with their group. So get in line with your group. My mother who is 70 and not well waited her turn while 15 people told us they were catching up to a family reunion. It may not be that big a deal in the scheme of things but I think it's just plain rude and inconsiderate.

If a large group like that came up to us, my husband would say something like, "Well, if you follow us and all of the other people in front of us then you will catch up to them; we know the way to the front of the line!!"

 

[SnackyStacky]

I just made it through all 13 pages of this. There's been a lot of respect, and a bit of disrespect.

Quite frankly, I don't understand how someone venting their frustration could cause 13 pages worth of bickering. But, that being the case, I need to remind everyone that political correctness (as it was referred to earlier) is required. Being politically correct is simply a fancy way of saying that you're making an attempt to respect others and not offend them. It seems reasonable to expect that of everyone. (It's also part of the guidelines we ALL agreed to when we signed up for a DIS user name)

 

[bstnsprts]

Your insult towards the above poster was really a low blow. Accusing her of not "parenting" because her two year old needs to move around is narrow minded at best . You don't know her child, or her situation for that matter.

Just an example (not intended to imply that this is your situation): One with a behavioral background would argue that a young child, reared by fear, would likely react in a submissive, docile manner - no matter what is happening inside her head - because the alternative is to risk the wrath of a volitile parent. Whereas a child who has been taught to appropriately express her feelings, would feel free to express them.

Infants, toddlers and pre-schoolers are not just little adults. They can be taught perfectly wonderful manners, and still have moments of childlike behavior as well. I think it's much more disturbing to see an adult flip out.

Are you trying to say that all well behaved children are reared by fear? That all the kids that wait in line with their parents just don't know how to appropriately express feelings. Maybe their parents have not taken the easy way out and have taught their children that they must wait in line just like everyone else. When my daughter starts acting up in line what would be the easiest solution for me and my wife? What's going to happen in the next line, and the next. What would one with a behavioral background say about just letting kids have their own way? My child is no angel, is able and allowed to express her feelings, yet she knows that when we are at Disney she must wait in line like everyone if she wants to ride an attraction.

 

[maxiesmom]

I find it interesting that the posters who are in such a huge uproar about a child who has to go the bathroom seem to lack a complete sense of compassion. Of course there is a difference in people who cut line to catch up with a group they did not enter the line with compared to a parent who needs to leave the line for a few moments with a young child. Come on, have some compassion.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[dustysky]

Wow, I am amazed that this thead has 13 pages but more amazed that so many of you sit up on such a high horse. I for one will continue to catch up to my family in line. If the ride says there is a 60 minute wait and 20 minutes in my child OR myself has to use the bathroom I will be heading out and coming back in.

The people that feel they are the "Disney police" and feel you should physically BLOCK people, please have your pen handy so I can give you my name on the way by. I know Disney would want you to turn me in.

I am not saying a family of 10 should make there way thru but good heavens people!

 

[Markstudy]

. I for one will continue to catch up to my family in line. If the ride says there is a 60 minute wait and 20 minutes in my child OR myself has to use the bathroom I will be heading out and coming back in.

Your idea works fine as-long-as 95% of the people in line, don't act like you.

Can you imagine a line where 300 people left and came back? Durring 60 minutes ?

 

[maxiesmom]

Your idea works fine as-long-as 95% of the people in line, don't act like you.

Can you imagine a line where 300 people left and came back? Durring 60 minutes ?

Well, as long as they were in line before you, their leaving and returning would not change your wait time. That is way different from people just pushing their way ahead of you. I have yet to meet a child (or adult) who can tell you down to the minute when they need to use the bathroom. Sometimes it is a suprise. Nature happens. IF someone in our party of 8 needs to leave the line for a potty break I will take them. And if I can, meet up with the rest of the group. In line.

 

[mumzie2three]

Your idea works fine as long as 95% of the people in line, don't act like you.

Can you imagine a line where 300 people left and came back? Durring 60 minutes ?

How is it that people don't understand the concept? If a person, who is part of a group, leaves and returns to that very same group, they haven't messed up anyone else behind them. In fact, try to follow me here, if the group reaches the front and everyone planned on riding together, they would have to move aside and let the people behind them pass until the missing individual returned. The group is still taking up the same space they were before.
I love the people that insist there is no good reason for getting out of line, EVER and the reason......because they, themselves, have never had to leave the line.
I hope those folks still feel that way when my friend takes her sons, one of whom has a very sensitive gag reflex. Just swallowing the wrong way or coughing too hard can set him off. I know first hand. I know I would encourage her to leave the line to clean up her son if I was standing behind her!
Wait, I know what's coming....."Then her husband should leave the line too. My DS/DD has XYZ and when he/she gets sick we leave the line. Better yet, we tell him/her to chew it back. If you want to come to Disney you better be prepared to hold your ground, just like we do!"

(And then the glittery siggy is filled with happy, peace loving smilies representing the happy poster and their equally happy family. LOL. Ironic.)

 

[Lorelai]

Are you trying to say that all well behaved children are reared by fear? That all the kids that wait in line with their parents just don't know how to appropriately express feelings. Maybe their parents have not taken the easy way out and have taught their children that they must wait in line just like everyone else. When my daughter starts acting up in line what would be the easiest solution for me and my wife? What's going to happen in the next line, and the next. What would one with a behavioral background say about just letting kids have their own way? My child is no angel, is able and allowed to express her feelings, yet she knows that when we are at Disney she must wait in line like everyone if she wants to ride an attraction.

I think you read the post without understanding it's meaning.

I wrote that your equating a toddler's need to use the restroom pronto, as an example of poor parenting makes no sense. A child acting up in line is also not an indicator of a poor parent. Just as a well behaved child is not always an indicator of positive parenting.

I wrote that a child reared by fear often displays a quiet and submissive demeanor. Not that all children who are quiet are reared by fear. Behavior that appears to be good can often come from a sad place. Good behavior can also come from a well adjusted place.

To answer your question, one with a behavioral background would tell you that taking a child who has to urinate to the bathroom is not an example of "letting them have their own way", or spoiling them. It's addressing their basic bodily functions so that they may have a healthy release, rather than having them hold it in and be in discomfort. It' addressing your childs needs, and putting their comfort and health first.

 

[bstnsprts]

Your idea works fine as-long-as 95% of the people in line, don't act like you.

Can you imagine a line where 300 people left and came back? Durring 60 minutes ?

You miss the point, this isn't for everyone, just the privileged few who shouldn't have to wait in line with the rest of us. Jump in line with six people and then two or three take off, grab a bite to eat, maybe a smoke, bathroom break, then 45 minutes later push themselves through 200 people who have been standing in the line, not eating or smoking or going to the bathroom to regain that spot they acquired an hour ago. Why would those 200 people be upset? After all you did enter the line before them. You just took off for 45 minutes while they stood there with the rest of us suckers. Why should anyone stand in line? Maybe after getting in line we all can leave and Disney could page us when it's our turn to ride. Wow, if we all left the line, would there still be a line. There problem solved, we all can leave the line, then there will be no lines at Disney.

 

[clydenora]

I had to wait an abnormally long time for fastpasses to EE a couple weeks ago. The line was too long for me to be comfortable trying to catch up to my family. So, I just got in line and rode it by myself. I ended up less than 10 minutes behind my family...no big deal. And, we all got to ride together a little later using the fastpasses.

We had kids (a group of about 5 teenage boys) jump thru bushes and into the line for Kali River Rapids. The line was not long at all...we waited less than 10 minutes...but it was very irritating to me that these kids did this. They had just gotten off the ride (they were soaked) and wouldn't not have had to wait hardly at all to ride again. Not to mention that it is just RUDE. But, rude seems to be fashionable today.

 

[bstnsprts]

I think you read the post without understanding it's meaning.

I wrote that your equating a toddler's need to use the restroom pronto, as an example of poor parenting makes no sense. A child acting up in line is also not an indicator of a poor parent. Just as a well behaved child is not always an indicator of positive parenting.

I wrote that a child reared by fear often displays a quiet and submissive demeanor. Not that all children who are quiet are reared by fear. Behavior that appears to be good can often come from a sad place. Good behavior can also come from a well adjusted place.

To answer your question, one with a behavioral background would tell you that taking a child who has to urinate to the bathroom is not an example of "letting them have their own way", or spoiling them. It's addressing their basic bodily functions so that they may have a healthy release, rather than having them hold it in and be in discomfort. It' addressing your childs needs, and putting their comfort and health first.

Lorelai, I just feel that people abuse this. Most parents who do this are people that just don't want to put up with the hassle of waiting in line with young kids. It's the easy way out. Junior acts up in line so DW will walk around with him for 30 minutes and then rejoin DH at the front of the line. Well there's a hundred other kids in that line that aren't thrilled about being there either. What do they tell their kids when they ask how come that kid doesn't have to wait in line? What will happen when more and more people decide this is ok to do? I think that a vast majority of the time it is done more for personal convenience than any other reason.

 

[Twinprincesses]

I guess I might be seen as a cutter than. When we were in line for turtle talk my girls (twin 3 year olds) were getting very restless. We had 11 people in my party so I left the line and took them over to look at the manetees. I came back in line when it was time to go in. I guess I thought I was being a little more considerate by removing my children that were about to throw a fit. I know I would prefer to have a quiet 20 minute wait and let the parent back in front of me.

Now if it is one person in line then the only family joins then that is another story.

 

[bstnsprts]

To answer your question, one with a behavioral background would tell you that taking a child who has to urinate to the bathroom is not an example of "letting them have their own way", or spoiling them. It's addressing their basic bodily functions so that they may have a healthy release, rather than having them hold it in and be in discomfort. It' addressing your childs needs, and putting their comfort and health first.

If you read the post that I originally responded to it had nothing to do with going to the bathroom. The OP stated that when her child acted up in line it was reason to leave the line with her and re-join it later. If my child had to go to the bathroom we would all leave the line and let her go to the bathroom. I would not expect my wife to push through 200 people that don't know why she is pushing through, to re-join me at the front of the line. Just my opion.