Soarin' Line Cutter's

[jann1033]

I was going to visit my teenage son every day in the psychiatric hospital while he was there for severe depression and suicide prevention. I would have let anyone cut the line in front of me all day long, because just being there with him and the rest of my family would have been heaven instead of what we were (and still are) going through.

sorry about your child. my daughter also suffers from clinical depression and it is very hard to deal with..i hope it turns out well for you and your family




Op... i don't understand why more isn't done about the line cutting. we rarely used to see if but now even off season when they are getting in front of 1/2 a dozen people, more and more are going it i guess just either don't let them past or tell a cm...supposedly they can get kicked out for doing it.

 

[jann1033]

I think I have a solution...really...at least with the rides with really wide lines.

Simply divide the line down the middle, creating two 'normal' width lines. One line would be marked "No cutting allowed", for those here who don't tolerate line cutting. The other line would be marked "Cutting acceptable", for those here who do tolerate line cutting.

PS. I have a theory that no one here posting would use the "Cutting acceptable" line. Anyone care to dispute my theory? If not, then what does that say about those who tolerate the cutters?

great idea and the "cutting acceptable" line could just be a giant circle that goes around the attraction and right back out to the end of the line that'd teach em

 

[Michelle2]

You know, I am a very impatient person, but thank goodness it has toned down from being away from my parents.
When I was at Disneyland this last September, my mom and sister and my cousin and her family came with us. My mom would drive me CRAZY because while my family and my cousin's family would be parking the strollers, and calmly getting the babies out to go on the ride, my mom would get so impatient and jump in line, and then expect all of us to cut up to her. NOPE not gonna do it! She would be so upset at the loading area to have to let a few groups by and that she had to end up waiting for us. She would say, "while you were getting your strollers parked, that is when about 10 groups of people got in line. Just send one to park the stroller and have everyone else just hurry up and get in line--the one person can catch up to us!!"

I felt very uncomfortable with even one person cutting to catch up with the group....and I was tired of hurrying the babies so fast because she and my sister would go off in the line without us. So what if 20 people got ahead while we were rounding the kids up and getting the babies out???: BIG DEAL--does it really matter!!! I am not going to cut ahead of others...just not worth it to me. I hated her rush-rush attitude when Disney should be laid back, relaxed and HAPPY!! I agree that you enter the line when your whole group is there and ready. I don't mind if one person goes by me to catch up with their party, but I really don't like doing it myself.

 

[lowie]

i agree 100% with the OP.. it also irks me to no end when there is a wide line that gets skinny and people stuff themselves between me and my DH. he's legally blind and never gets assertive while in crowds (for obvious reasons). even with his white cane people get between us!
one funny cut in line story... we were trying to squeeze through the people waiting for the ferry out of MK. we were trying to get to the walkway towards the GF, where we own a 'walk around the world' brick. we were politely saying 'excuse us please'.. people thought we were trying to cut the line and a few said nasty things to us. when we got all the way through i turned and said to the nasty people, "see you jumped to conclusions, not everyone is as rude as YOU"

 

[Disneyrsh]

i agree 100% with the OP.. it also irks me to no end when there is a wide line that gets skinny and people stuff themselves between me and my DH. he's legally blind and never gets assertive while in crowds (for obvious reasons). even with his white cane people get between us!
one funny cut in line story... we were trying to squeeze through the people waiting for the ferry out of MK. we were trying to get to the walkway towards the GF, where we own a 'walk around the world' brick. we were politely saying 'excuse us please'.. people thought we were trying to cut the line and a few said nasty things to us. when we got all the way through i turned and said to the nasty people, "see you jumped to conclusions, not everyone is as rude as YOU"

yeah, but those people had probably been cut in front of dozens of times before and thought you were yet one more person doing it-although I will say that the cutters don't usually say 'excuse me' or ask to go by...

I also think that the people who are doing the cutting and pushing and rudeness have to be unhappy-it's stressful behaving like that, it has to take its karmic toll on them...

 

[korbbec]

I don't think line cutters should be tolerated for any reason. Even if you have to pee. I was born with a med cond that forces me to urinate regularly. This is no ones problem but mine. I make sure to go before getting in any line whether I feel I have to or not. As a child, my parents made me go before getting in a long line. If I still could not make it, I got out of line with one parent, while the other took my brother on. Yeah, it kinda sucked for me sometimes... but everyone has something in their lives that kinda sucks sometimes. I think I'm pretty lucky that my problem is so minor. I do not feel I have the right to inconvenience others because of it. If you have a child that has to pee in line and can't hold it then they should get out of line. Next time they will think twice when you ask and they say they don't have to go. If they are too young to understand that, then they are young enough to wear protective undies instead. Deal with your own problems, don't impose on others.

I will however say that I do let young children back in line. I don't think they should be punished because their parents refuse to impose rules, structure, or common sense.

 

[ihearttink]

Verrrry early in the morning, hundreds of eager fans go to the Lawn, and place picnic blankets down as close to the stage as allowed. They then go off to work, or school, or wherever. When they come back to the park hours later (maybe 6:30 or so, for an 8 pm show) with their picnic dinner, the blankets are there, undisturbed and vacant. To me, that is the epitome of Polite Society[/I]

This is not in anyway the same thing, but it did remind me that before leaving for the parks some people will put towels on the chairs at the pools, i.e. SAB at the BC, so they have a place to sit when they come back.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

This is not in anyway the same thing, but it did remind me that before leaving for the parks some people will put towels on the chairs at the pools, i.e. SAB at the BC, so they have a place to sit when they come back.

Now that IS a problem in European resorts. Went on a few holidays with my mates to Spain when I was younger and this was a real issue with me. We would get back to our hotel at all different hours of the morning to find towels on ALL the loungers. After a bit of re-con we discovered that the towels were being put out at midnight to 1 am, and the people who were doing this weren't emerging from there beds to the pool until late afternoon. Just move the towels from the bed you want to lie on. If they want a lounger, tell them to get out of bed a little earlier, or not to stop out so late. It is not uncommon sometimes to see a sea of beach towels floating on top of the pool either.

 

[MrGrumpy222]

I agree with the OP as well; there's no reason to shove past people - if you want to stay together as a group, get in line as a group. And while it's easy to rationalize that "it only adds a minute to your wait", if Disney keeps allowing this to happen, it will only get worse. Imagine one person from a group of 50 getting in line, then the rest cutting through 15 minutes later ....

I have to agree with the OP and the Doc here. I learned in Kindergarten a long time ago 1) Wait your turn 2) DO NOT cut in line 3) Alaways say "Please and Thank you" and 4) Treat others how you want to be treated. While the extra 60 seconds that is added to your wait may seem trivial to others it is not the matter of the wait, it is the blatant lack of courtesy and respect for others that angers me. My parents raised me with the aforementioned rules but also taught me not to be a "Door Mat" and when someone does it to me they do it to my kids and that really ticks me off. If they'd trample you to get to a ride what would they do to my kids if a problem arose. They would probly leave them for dead if I couldn't help them. It's the details that matter.

 

[The Sweetness]

I would have to agree that line cutting actually requires a person (or in the case I am thinking of more likely 2 people(1 adult or 15y old and one 2 yr old)) to bypass people who they were NOT in line before you in the first place. It is my firm belief that I would rather let 1 parent pass by me with 1 small child (under 5) or possibly 2 (more than that just seems wrong) to leave the line and pass me again to get back in, than to have a child too young to understand being patient for 20 mins or more giving me a huge headache.

Because I feel so strongly about this, that is the way that I will act, myself, until a CM tells me differently. The 4 of us will line up, and if the 2y old even STARTS to act up, she leaves the line with 1 of us. And we'll catch up with the other 2 in a few mins. I have no problem with being understanding of other families in the same situation.

IMO~ this rule does not apply to bratty older children older than 5. Nor does it apply to adults on their own. Maybe my opinion isnt fair, but I think an adult with a *health problem* can use the toilet before they get on a 30 min line. If there really is an exception to that, it should be documented with proof (from a physician) at the park entrance.

I dont believe that its fair for me to expect families 3 year old son to wait in line quietly for an hour. Nor do I think that his annoying behavior, due to impatience, is something I should have to endure, just because my 2y old daughter wants to ride Dumbo

Just my opinion, we are all entitled to our own

 

[LindsayDunn228]

Maybe my opinion isnt fair, but I think an adult with a *health problem* can use the toilet before they get on a 30 min line. If there really is an exception to that, it should be documented with proof (from a physician) at the park entrance.

Being a para, I do an intermittant cath when I have to take a whiz. If the need hits me while in line, I will exit, go do my business, and go to the end of the line. I would never have my husband wait in line and save me a spot.

 

[bstnsprts]

Because I feel so strongly about this, that is the way that I will act, myself, until a CM tells me differently. The 4 of us will line up, and if the 2y old even STARTS to act up, she leaves the line with 1 of us. And we'll catch up with the other 2 in a few mins. I have no problem with being understanding of other families in the same situation.

So now your two year old knows that all she has to do is act up a bit and she won't have to wait in line. What would a little effort on your part to teach your two year old not to act up be called, "parenting." How many kids under five do you think are in a 30 minute wait line? Should Disney provide a special waiting area for all those kids and one of the parents? Or should they be allowed to just roam the park and then push themselves to the front of the line to meet the rest of their party when it's more convenient for them? If you feel your kids are old enough to go to Disney, then they should be able to wait in lines. My three year old has been five times since she was 20 months, and knows that she has to wait in line for her turn.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

My opinion is that the rule on leaving and re-entering the lines is that if you get out you stay out, whatever the reason. That way there is no confusion. Those with genuine disabilities or ailments could get a note from the doctor telling of there condition in return for some kind of pass. While there is a grey area in all this, there will always be some who use any excuse, no matter how trivial, to gain an advantage on someone else. So until a new system is introduced at Disney, the law-abiding amongst us will just have to put up with it and deal with the problem in our own way. With regards to young children and toilet breaks, whenever one goes, we all go. If they say they don't need to go we always tell them to squeeze one out. If they moaned in the queue, we told them everybody else has to wait and they're not moaning about it. If you cave in, you lose.

 

[kellyanne731]

Haven't been on Soarin yet. But what about rides like ToT and RnR, where they have the pre-show, and then you go into the "cattle shutes" to get in line for the ride? I find those are some of the worst combat zones. When my dad, fiance and I were there the last time, we actually realized we had to form a human wall to keep groups of rowdy teens from pushing and shoving us out of the way.

My dad is probably one of the most patient people in the world, and normally a couple of people cutting in front wouldn't bother him, but when he gave me "the look", I knew it was on!

 

[The Sweetness]

So now your two year old knows that all she has to do is act up a bit and she won't have to wait in line. What would a little effort on your part to teach your two year old not to act up be called, "parenting." How many kids under five do you think are in a 30 minute wait line? Should Disney provide a special waiting area for all those kids and one of the parents? Or should they be allowed to just roam the park and then push themselves to the front of the line to meet the rest of their party when it's more convenient for them? If you feel your kids are old enough to go to Disney, then they should be able to wait in lines. My three year old has been five times since she was 20 months, and knows that she has to wait in line for her turn.

My 14y old was behaving better than most teens and even some adults we saw at WDW by the time she was 4. Im not to concerned about my daughter who will be at WDW when she's 2, learning to be more patient as she gets a little bit older. I have seen this time and time again. Thats how I got the idea to do it with my older child when she was a tot. And as I said in my earlier post, Its better off for everyone in my opinon, for me,dh, or dd14, to leave the line with dd2, for whatever reason she needs to, for a few minutes. I have excused myself, and excused too many to count in the same manner (not too many to count all at once )

If a CM specifically tells me I cant rejoin my group, who I was with in the first place, Ill call dh and dd closer to the front using my phone (hopefully will get a signal) and tell them to come back, or that Ill see them after the ride or show.

I feel that rejoiners and cutters are 2 completely different issues.
I also feel that 2 rejoiners is not the same as 5. I realize that thats *my* opinion, but judging by how I remember my last vaca... Many ppl feel the same or similarly

 

[Marseeya]

Being a para, I do an intermittant cath when I have to take a whiz. If the need hits me while in line, I will exit, go do my business, and go to the end of the line. I would never have my husband wait in line and save me a spot.

Is that how your parents did it when you were a kid too?

Kids are so adaptable. If you expect them to behave in line, or if they're aware that they would have to leave a line to use the restroom, they'll do just fine. If you allow them to act up and cave in to them when they do, then of course they'll act up so they can get their way.

 

[Lorelai]

So now your two year old knows that all she has to do is act up a bit and she won't have to wait in line. What would a little effort on your part to teach your two year old not to act up be called, "parenting." How many kids under five do you think are in a 30 minute wait line? Should Disney provide a special waiting area for all those kids and one of the parents? Or should they be allowed to just roam the park and then push themselves to the front of the line to meet the rest of their party when it's more convenient for them? If you feel your kids are old enough to go to Disney, then they should be able to wait in lines. My three year old has been five times since she was 20 months, and knows that she has to wait in line for her turn.

Your insult towards the above poster was really a low blow. Accusing her of not "parenting" because her two year old needs to move around is narrow minded at best . You don't know her child, or her situation for that matter.

Just an example (not intended to imply that this is your situation): One with a behavioral background would argue that a young child, reared by fear, would likely react in a submissive, docile manner - no matter what is happening inside her head - because the alternative is to risk the wrath of a volitile parent. Whereas a child who has been taught to appropriately express her feelings, would feel free to express them.

Infants, toddlers and pre-schoolers are not just little adults. They can be taught perfectly wonderful manners, and still have moments of childlike behavior as well. I think it's much more disturbing to see an adult flip out.

 

[Marseeya]

Your insult towards the above poster was really a low blow. Accusing her of not "parenting" because her two year old needs to move around is narrow minded at best . You don't know her child, or her situation for that matter.

Just an example (not intended to imply that this is your situation): One with a behavioral background would argue that a young child, reared by fear, would likely react in a submissive, docile manner - no matter what is happening inside her head - because the alternative is to risk the wrath of a volitile parent. Whereas a child who has been taught to appropriately express her feelings, would feel free to express them.

Infants, toddlers and pre-schoolers are not just little adults. They can be taught perfectly wonderful manners, and still have moments of childlike behavior as well. I think it's much more disturbing to see an adult flip out.

You're kind of making it sound as if it's got to be one or the other -- if they're expected to behave, they're doing so out of fear; if they're allowed to "express" themselves, we can allow this anywhere or any time.

 

[liltoot]

I haven't read all 12 pages on this thread so maybe someone already mentioned this: What is a polite way to make your point about cutting in line without turning it into a verbal war. This has happened to me at the safari ride at Animal Kingdom many times. I find it annoying when people are trying to catch up with their group. So get in line with your group. My mother who is 70 and not well waited her turn while 15 people told us they were catching up to a family reunion. It may not be that big a deal in the scheme of things but I think it's just plain rude and inconsiderate.

 

[Lorelai]

You're kind of making it sound as if it's got to be one or the other -- if they're expected to behave, they're doing so out of fear; if they're allowed to "express" themselves, we can allow this anywhere or any time.

No, that is why I used the world "example", not stone cold singular fact.

If someone is attacking another person's parenting skills, without knowing them, or anyhting about them, than they should have the foresight to understand that a seemingly well behaved child may have serious issues, or none at all. Just as a child having a tantrum may have serious issues, or none at all.