Soarin' Line Cutter's

[Vijoge]

Also, why are ridiculously fat* people allowed to the front too? Are they being rewarded for over eating?
*political correctness is not recognised in my house.

I'm a senior citizen and also fat. No one has ever let me go to the front of any line, nor should they. You, however, do not seem like a nice person. Perhaps they should let mean people go first.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

I'm a senior citizen and also fat. No one has ever let me go to the front of any line, nor should they. You, however, do not seem like a nice person. Perhaps they should let mean people go first.

The people I'm talking about are the obese people who drive on the motorised carts, they get to the front. The thread is about cutting in line and the point I'm making is that there is always someone who thinks they should get preferential treatment in respect to queues, wether it be age, incontinence or disability. While in general a child wanting the toilet, a TRULY handicapped person or any person with special needs should be allowed to the front, there will always be some bending the rules. If Disney were to let one-handed people to the front of queues, there would be a line of people with their hands up their sleeves. This isn't a slight at fat people, and sorry for any offence caused.

 

[Aisling]

But it is my understanding from reading these boards that even that practice is socially acceptable in Europe. I try to live and let live.

Line cutting is socially acceptable in Europe? Does that mean the Europeans who've been waiting on long lines for something don't get irritated when a group choo choo trains to the front of the line? And then what happens? Another group does the same thing, since it's socially acceptable? It would seem to me that those Europeans are spending a lot of time pushing and shoving their way to the front. I can't believe this is socially acceptable in Europe.
I had several unfortunate experiences with a notorious group who held hands and worked their way past long lines. Many others on the line grumbled and mumbled, but the group basically got away with it. This also happened with a family from that same country, which surprised my that the parents went along with it. We were waiting for the safari ride at AK, and two teenage kids held their parents hands and forcefully led their family up to the front.

It the grand scheme of things, ok it isn't a big deal, but I think it's human nature to become frustrated and annoyed when treated unfairly. As many have said, we can all tell the difference between someone who had to leave the line for a personal reason and then come back to join their group. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with that.

But seriously, is it fair for one person to get on the line and hold places for their family members? Let's be reasonable.

I'm so tempted to wear a Tshirt that says on the back "DO NOT CUT IN FRONT OF ME. Have a magical day!"

 

[pearlieq]

Strangely enough, I kind of agree on the issue of obese people in ECVs, which is just blowing my mind because I'm definitely pooh-sized and my mom would be one of those people in ECVs.

Still, I can see the point. Why should someone get preferential treatment because of something they did to themselves? Would an alcoholic get to go to the front of the line as well because they're too drunk to stand up straight?

The only problem with that, and the reason I still generally support letting them in, is that no one can tell exactly what their problems are. Suppose they're obese, but also were in a car accident and had to have their spine fused and that's the reason they can't stand all day--not simply because their bodies' can't support their weight. I don't think someone should have to give a full personal and health history before they get a Guest Assistance Pass, so I'm inclined to just live with in.

As for the rest of the line cutting, I would probably be OK with a small child who had a bathroom emergency whose parent is politiely asking to be let by. Other than that--no dice. If you chose to run off and get an FP, that's your choice and not my problem. If you couldn't keep your group together--not my problem. If you see your great uncle's neighbors 10 feet up the line and want to chat--not my problem.

I find the extra wide queues at Soarin confusing. If the queue is wide enough for 6 bodies, why shouldn't I pass people if there's room? I'm not talking about plowing people over, but if there's room in front of me, why not move up? The space is meant to be filled in, otherwise it would have been made single file.

 

[eeyore45]

I was sitting outside Thunder Mtn. and saw 7 teenage boys, one in a wheel chair, exit the ride. The wheel chair kid hopped up, another boy took his place and the gang proceeded to the entrance where the whole "group" was allowed on since they were with the wheel chair. Amazing......

Interestingly enough, I had to get a wheelchair when I fell at Disney and sprained both ankles - I was not given ANY front of the line access on ANY ride - we went thru all the regular ques with me in an ecv - except for Buzz - because we got there, there wasnt a line, AT ALL - the CM mentioned usually with a line you'd have to go thru this, but no one's here, I'll show you a shortcut"

At Test Track, all the FP were gone, and DD begged to ask the CM, "since you're in a wheelchair " well, fine, I'll teach her something - so we went up to the CM - and dd said the FP are gone? and she said yes, but we could go in the standby line, it was big enough for the ecv!! YEAH!! (of course that line was 45min or longer, so no thank you -) and I did tell the CM I truly appreciate that policy, but DD didnt believe "mom"!!

If you read the DisABILITY forum, poster after poster mentions the fact that wheelchairs are big enough for every ride so you must walk thru all of them, at Splash and Pirates, you do stop at some point but you have to walk thru the Ques like everyone else!!

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

Strangely enough, I kind of agree on the issue of obese people in ECVs, which is just blowing my mind because I'm definitely pooh-sized and my mom would be one of those people in ECVs.

Still, I can see the point. Why should someone get preferential treatment because of something they did to themselves? Would an alcoholic get to go to the front of the line as well because they're too drunk to stand up straight?

The only problem with that, and the reason I still generally support letting them in, is that no one can tell exactly what their problems are. Suppose they're obese, but also were in a car accident and had to have their spine fused and that's the reason they can't stand all day--not simply because their bodies' can't support their weight. I don't think someone should have to give a full personal and health history before they get a Guest Assistance Pass, so I'm inclined to just live with in.

As for the rest of the line cutting, I would probably be OK with a small child who had a bathroom emergency whose parent is politiely asking to be let by. Other than that--no dice. If you chose to run off and get an FP, that's your choice and not my problem. If you couldn't keep your group together--not my problem. If you see your great uncle's neighbors 10 feet up the line and want to chat--not my problem.

I find the extra wide queues at Soarin confusing. If the queue is wide enough for 6 bodies, why shouldn't I pass people if there's room? I'm not talking about plowing people over, but if there's room in front of me, why not move up? The space is meant to be filled in, otherwise it would have been made single file.

I wasn't aware there was a pass you could get for special treatment. With that in mind I disagree with you that you shouldn't have to show some kind of proof that you do indeed have some form of condition. Disabled people over here have certificates which they produce for motoring, benefits etc., and I guess you have them over there too. I think the truly disabled people would have no qualms about showing the proof if it meant erradicating the people who when queueing at Disney, rather sickeningly, pretend to be disabled.

 

[DisneyDude61]

Sorry, but if I'm standing in line with my family and one of them needs to get out for any reason, I do not feel it's wrong or line cutting for them to rejoin my party. Why is it ok for a child to leave and come back, but not my teenager or husband? We all waited in line, and if someone told me I couldn't join my family just because I had left, there would be a problem! and also, how do you, at the back of the line know how long I was already waiting in line, and what reason I have for leaving? and besides what right do you have to stop me from joing my family? NO ONE knows the circumstances of WHY someone might need to leave a line, and I for one am certaintly not going to tell strangers something that is none of their business! If I have a bladder problem or a medical problem I am not going to tell everyone around me!! I agree with a previous poster, line cutting is when you were never in line in the first place, and jump in front of people who are waiting in line. To me, joining your family, who is waiting in line is not cutting in line, and yes, I will always let someone pass, and won't block them from joining their family, regardless of their age.

 

[Disneyrsh]

Disneyrsh, You asked this question in a very nice way.
Lets make this more generic and pretend it is not about any one person from the Dis Boards

In General- If someone finds a way to save time? ..aren't they taking time away from everyone else?

If every family did their little chores while someone acted as a place-holder...the lines would be a total mess.

This system only works, if a few agressive people act like this, while the rest of the people stand in line after their group is together and actually ready to ride (got fast passes, went to the bathroom, finished their food and are actually ready to ride)

So if we all did this, no one family would save time.
This system depends on One Agressive person having the guts to push their way back through the line and inconvience all the people you pass...so that they can save a few minutes.

My question to our board is- How do you think all the people and small childern feel that get passed ? Do you think it makes them feel good as someone walks by, while they stand their wondering why the rules don't apply to that person?

Is saving time... worth tarnishing the magic for many others?


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Oh, the guilt! You're killin' me!

However, you have to take into account the number of times my family stops while in line and waits for me and lets droves of other families pass until I catch up. So, I figure, it evens out karmically in the end. Besides, by the end of the day, I'm too pooped to do much more running for the fast pass.

And I'm a little curious about the "rules don't apply to that person" quote-where is it posted in Disney that I'm not allowed to pass another in line if they say it's ok?

Yes, yes, I get it, it's not me, it's the generic someone, but still...

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

Line cutting is socially acceptable in Europe? Does that mean the Europeans who've been waiting on long lines for something don't get irritated when a group choo choo trains to the front of the line? And then what happens? Another group does the same thing, since it's socially acceptable? It would seem to me that those Europeans are spending a lot of time pushing and shoving their way to the front. I can't believe this is socially acceptable in Europe.
I had several unfortunate experiences with a notorious group who held hands and worked their way past long lines. Many others on the line grumbled and mumbled, but the group basically got away with it. This also happened with a family from that same country, which surprised my that the parents went along with it. We were waiting for the safari ride at AK, and two teenage kids held their parents hands and forcefully led their family up to the front.

It the grand scheme of things, ok it isn't a big deal, but I think it's human nature to become frustrated and annoyed when treated unfairly. As many have said, we can all tell the difference between someone who had to leave the line for a personal reason and then come back to join their group. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with that.

But seriously, is it fair for one person to get on the line and hold places for their family members? Let's be reasonable.

I'm so tempted to wear a Tshirt that says on the back "DO NOT CUT IN FRONT OF ME. Have a magical day!"

Post number 53 answers this.

 

[pearlieq]

and besides what right do you have to stop me from joing my family?

If you're trying to get in front of me, it's my choice to let you by. If you want to get around me after I've said no, you'd better be prepared to get a CM or commit assault.

Have a magical day!

 

[Disneyrsh]

I agree totally. I don't understand how something that is considered bad behavior for someone under 60 is considered acceptable for the 60+ crowd. Talk about an entitlement mentality . (FYI I am talking about the able seniors) It is not like just because you managed to have the biology and good luck to live past 60 you suddenly get to engage in rude and otherwise unacceptable behavior.

On the flip side if it the case that when you hit a certain age normal social graces go out the door can we get that age lowered so I can participate in it sooner?

I play tennis with an 80 year old woman every week and our opponents are 78 and 83. I'm 36, and let me tell you, the only thing different about those women than me is that I still have my own hips!

They're as smart, snarky, gossipy, and tough as any younger person. People who view elderly as wiser or someone to be venerated surely haven't had their butts kicked by this fantastic group of women-we really need to stop putting seniors on some delicate pedestal and start treating them like we do people our own age.

And if that means calling them out when they pull the 'senior citizen' card (and my tennis partners NEVER would), then we should. Bad behavior's bad behavior, no matter what age.

Most of the line cutters I have seen in Disney have been overwhelmingly teenagers and Brazilians, though, so maybe there needs to be some extra instruction to these individuals from Disney...

 

[mumzie2three]

How do YOU know that they weren't in the bathroom before you entered the line?

How many of you, run Red Lights when your family member has to go to the bathroom? (Rules work best when we all behave the same way)

So it comes down to this.....The bathroom is a magic reason to cut in line?

The problem with the bathroom loop-hole is that for the few that need it...it give the scammers, con artist, rude people, and cheats a loop hole big enough to drive the rest of us nuts.

If someone in my party has to go to the bathroom, we wait and then get in line after. Or we get out of line and then start again at the end of the line. Its not like its going to happen over and over to the same family. So your family has to wait twice. That's better then cutting in front of 50 people that did manage to get their bathroom breaks right


Just like a long car trip... you should check with everyone before going


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We don't run red lights, but we might pull over to use the facilities. Can we then get back on the road where we exited or should we turn around and drive back to the beginning of our journey?
When we are in Disney, if we have been in line for a while and one of my girls has to go I will take them to the bathroom. I will then politely make my way back to the rest of my family, who if they have reached the front of the line will be waiting for us and essentially letting everyone else who was behind go ahead of them. I think that is reasonable. What you suggest is that a family be punished and lose their place in line if a child has to use the bathroom. I think that is ridiculous.

 

[wdwfanva]

Just because someone is a senior citizen does not necessarily mean
they had a productive work history/life, it only means they are seniors !!!! I'm
53 and wouldn't think of cutting line because someone else is younger !! We earn respect by our lives and actions , not because of our age. I know alot of
people in the 18-30 age group that I respect alot more than some of my peers
and people alot older than I am. Line cutting should NOT be allowed PERIOD !
When my kids were small , we ALL waited if someone needed a potty stop or
ALL got out of line and waited !!!!!!!

 

[jcamacam]

We had a very similar situation this past December. My DS4 and I were waiting in the standby line (DH and DS1 were waiting in the food court) and this group of kids who looked and dressed to be in the Pop Warner group (not condeming them all, just saying I think they were part of that group) walked up the fastpass line and then hopped the railing right in front of us (we were just about to the part where they take you down and place you in lines 1, 2, etc. for the ride.

I was just about to go up and tell the CM standing about 20 feet away but she was already right on it and made them go to the back of the line.

I was so mad - I would never have thought to do something so inconsiderate when I was that age! What are parents teaching (or not teaching) their kids?!?

 

[linfin]

I've had people trying I repeat trying to cut me in line, and it is not going to happen. If Im standing in line so isnt everyone else. I once heard a rumor that if you are caught cutting you are thrown out of the park any truth to that? All the cutting comes down to is pure ignorance!!!!

 

[jcamacam]

I once heard a rumor that if you are caught cutting you are thrown out of the park any truth to that?

If it is, the CM I saw didn't do that, just made them go to the end of the line.

 

[richs52]

We don't run red lights, but we might pull over to use the facilities. Can we then get back on the road where we exited or should we turn around and drive back to the beginning of our journey?
When we are in Disney, if we have been in line for a while and one of my girls has to go I will take them to the bathroom. I will then politely make my way back to the rest of my family, who if they have reached the front of the line will be waiting for us and essentially letting everyone else who was behind go ahead of them. I think that is reasonable. What you suggest is that a family be punished and lose their place in line if a child has to use the bathroom. I think that is ridiculous.

I don't think you are being "punished", I just think it is a reality of parenthood. Look, waiting in line is a drag and we all wish that we didn't have to wait in them, but we do. Everyone's goal at that point is to get to the front of the line (you know that excited feeling you get when its your turn next ) I don't think the fact that it's a child having to go to the bathroom is the issue here, I think that we are taught at a very early age that you are supposed to "stand in line and wait your turn". Those that didn't were always punished and there were always tiffs when someone tried to cut. I think it's natural for people to get defensive when people "catch up" with their party, because of this.

 

[WillCAD]

Perhaps they should let mean people go first.

Personally, I think they should let the first person who gets there go first, then let the second person who gets there go second, and let the last person who gets there go last.

On another topic I've seen in this thread - somebody explain this "my family got in line while I got us FastPasses" thing to me. Does that mean you are entitled to join them, no matter how many people you have to cut in front of to get there?

Well, I tour solo. Am I entitled to get myself a FastPass and then cut in front of 20 or 30 other people? "I would have been in the line up there, only I had to get a FastPass! See that guy right there? I was right behind him until I detoured over to the FastPass machine! Honest Injun I was!"

Sorry, that dog won't wash. If you can't get in line with your family, your family should have the courtesy to wait for you. If they don't, a bunch of other people in line should not be punished for your family's impatience.

And I should not be punished for not having a family. If you really think you're entitled to cut in front of a bunch of people because you took a detour to the FP machines, then so should I.

 

[hulagirl87]

I just got home from work and started reading this post and was shocked to see 8 pages responding to this one post that was posted today! Of course I had to read all the responses, but it's odd to me that this has been going on all day. I wonder if the OP thought that when she typed this morning if she was going to cause such an uproar. I think everyone is just going to continue to disagree on the rights and wrongs of line cutting. As for me, I was taught respect and common decency from my mom at an early age and I carry that with me through my life now. I would hope that other people would have that(and hopefully common sense) as well, but sometimes they don't. Don't line cut. It's disrespectful.

 

[SueM in MN]

When we first started going to WDW, 20 years ago, most of the lines were not wheelchair accessible. The queues themselves were fairly narrow and got narrower as they went along. That way, people were gradually "guided" into a single file line for boarding. People didn't cut in line much because, after you got to a certain point in the line, the line was too narrow for cutting.
Those lines were way too narrow for wheelchairs, so there were more special wheelchair access points.

Fast forward to now. All the attractions at AK, the Studio and most of the newer or renovated attractions at MK or Epcot are "Mainstream Lines", which are wide enough for a wheelchair.
Despite what many people think, those traveling with wheelchairs or ECV wait in the Mainstream queues with everyone else for the most part. If you don't believe me, check out the list of Mainstream queues from the official Disney site. You'll notice most are Mainstream.
There are some attractions where wheelchair/ecv users are pulled out of line (usually near the normal boarding area) to board somewhere else because the usual boarding area is not accessible. But, in most cases, it's near the regular boarding area and often they wait longer once they reach the accessible boarding area.

A wheelchair accessible line has to be at least 30 inches wide, but most are wider to allow the extra wide wheelchairs and ECVs to fit in the line. A standard wheelchair needs at least a 5 foot square space at each corner in order to turn. Many of the wheelchair accessible queues (like Soarin') are closer to 5 feet wide thru the whole line. Those wide lines make it much easier for people to "cut" in line because (aside from forming a chain across the line with your party), it's difficult to prevent cutters from going ahead in the line.