Soarin' Line Cutter's

[WDWorld2003]

I realize this is off subject, but what about parents who force kids on rides?

I finally was able to ride Soarin' after hearing so much about for a year. We got fast passes and did some things in the area until it was time to return. I was seated next to a little girl who was truly terrified and screamed the entire time. The parents could have put the little girl between them (there were 4 in the family) or done a parent swap. She was screaming and was forced on the ride. I felt so sorry for her and of course, for myself who waited so long and wasn't able to enjoy it. I would never force a child who was terrified.

I wasn't able to go again as all fast passes were gone and it was our last day - someday! I'm sure that little girl is having nightmares

 

[mkymouse4ever]

I have to agree with the OP. I was very dissappointed when I first saw the line set up to Soarin. Shades of Pirates of the c. and a flash back of a large fight in the middle of the line. Seemed a family of about 20, all teenage and grown adults, decided to see the entire mk in less than 4hours and waiting in line was not figured in. Anyway, Yes, I agree that no people should not have 1 person get in line, and the rest shop, potty, eat, etc... and then join the line in a hour. But worse yet, is when no one is actually "ahead" and they just want to get up there. WHY? Are they better than us?, We are polite waiters and need to get push, stepped on, and shoved out of the way? I would never consider doing this, and even feel a little guilty using fast pass, and "jumping" in front of the other line. My favorite had to be last year at test tracks SINGLE RIDER LINE, excuse me lady, my friends are up there. I said "this is the single rider line" he said me and my friends 3 other teens want to get up there move over" I said "sorry single rider line, don't think so". We held our ground. Hey, you have to draw the line. And TT line is narrow enough to do it.

Yes, by all means People with Disabilities should get a special line, or card to get in front of the line as necessary and I have no problem with that. But the OP is right. This is a rampant problem at WDW and after a long day, and many lines, lets all follow the rules and get along.

mky

 

[BluOrchid2]

I also had a terrific vacation, I don't believe I said otherwise.

Good, glad to hear it! I didn't say otherwise, either!

 

[Pedler]

I don't see anything wrong with families joining someone already in line. Its not a problems or WRONG to me. I guess its subjective. Everyone feels differently about it. As long as Disney has no problem with it then I don't either. I mean really - how much longer did you have to wait - five maybe ten minutes?

I agree with the OP though I don't think I would get that worked up about it. I do think having to wait an extra 5 - 10 minutes is a big deal. (Of course I think waiting 10 minutes for any ride is a big wait.). The line cutters in essence transferred part of their wait to the OP. The OP waits longer the line cutters wait less. Take that philosophy over 10 rides and the line cutters spend 50 - 100 minutes less in line and the OP spends 50-100 minutes longer in line. Not a bad deal if you are a line cutter but for the people being cut in front of they just got to spend almost 2 hours more waiting in line.

 

[tms295]

Well... I must say I can't believe how many BAD MANNERED people there are out there!

Line cutting is BAD... If it is that important that your entire group is together... well then I guess they should wait for you at the entrance.

I refuse to let people "catch-up" with their group that is soo far ahead they can't even see them... the best is when a teenager (15-16 yo) says "I have to catch up with my mom and dad" Well maybe mom and dad should have waited for you... you are old enough to stand in line alone.

I have however let mom and kid right behind us catch up with dad and the 3 kids right in front of us.

As for the senior line jumpers... that is some nerve! Reminds me of the seniors that borrow friends handicapp parking tags... just to get closer parking... No wonder kids are displaying the behaviors they are... look at who they learn it from... Grandma and Grandpa.

 

[Jen D]

so many thoughts here.... first in defense of the OP to those who say, "boy you must really be nuts to worry about something so small, you're at Disney!" Hello, this is the Disney theme parks message board. I'm willing to bet the OP did not let it ruin her vacation and that she hasn't been bending a lot of ears about it since she came back. This is what the DIS is here for-- the share and vent about these experiences, find out how others handle them, get some perspective, etc. So that's what the thread is for.

That said...I personally try not to get too worked up over the occasional line cutters, as it is usually only a couple bad apples. Families with young children I hardly even question as so often there is a bathroom issue. Larger groups of teens and adults I might be more likely to say something but half the time I just say "Hakuna Matata", it's not slowing me down significantly. Now you may say I'm being a doormat and maybe it is true but I really try not to let the little things get to me when on vacation. I feel like I spend my real life here at home angry at bus drivers, store clerks, rude pedestrians and drivers, whatever, and I'm just not gonna let em get to me on vacation.

That's not to say that I don't begrudge everyone else fighting the good fight against line cutters...

 

[erikthewise]

I don't see anything wrong with families joining someone already in line. Its not a problems or WRONG to me. I guess its subjective. Everyone feels differently about it. As long as Disney has no problem with it then I don't either. I mean really - how much longer did you have to wait - five maybe ten minutes?

The problem, Shelly, is that a lot of people do see this as wrong. Including WDW park rules which forbids "line jumping".

Pushing past other people is line jumping regardless of your relation to other people in line. There is no such thing as "saving a place in line". The rule is simple: if you want to ride together, stay together.

 

[drogerstn]

hey teachinmykids, Leave the senoirs alone! if anyone belongs at the front of the line it is the people who have worked hard all their life and have been productive members of society TEACHING THEIR KIDS, and yes I think they belong at the front of every line and should get the dicounts to go with it. Amen

So how do you determine whether a senior citizen falls in this category?

 

[Robo]

The rule is simple: if you want to ride together, stay together.

Hey, maybe they should market a BUMPER-STICKER:

"The family that RIDES together, STAYS together."

 

[Vickie46]

I have to agree with the OP... I can not stand someone that pushes up in front.. if you have people up in front.. sorry.. if its one person thats one thing but not an entire family.. sorry... thats just my 2 cents!

 

[liamsaunt]

I wonder if there are more problems in the Soarin queue than other rides because the aisles are so much wider? I think people might have a tendency to "fill in all available space,"--say a party of two is in line, and a party of three comes up behind them. Rather than standing behind the party of two, they stand next to them, and with a little maneuvering, manage to work their way further up the line by "filling in all available space." DH and I noticed this happening the one time we roade Soarin standby. It did not bother us particularly, but I could see it being irritating to some.

 

[maxsmom01]

I must say that I also agree with the OP. While I think it is fine for one parent to take a child to the bathroom (as emergencies do come up), I think it impolite to have one person wait in line and then the rest of the party cut in line at the last minute. It is just common courtesy in my opinion.

 

[shellybaxter]

I suppose I see it a bit different. I find it rude to block the way when one part of a group is trying to join another. I would like to point out that our "group" is usually just my Dh and myself so we generally enter all ride lines together. I guess I just think everyone is on vacation and excited and trying to get as much done as possible so I don't think anything of it. I don't really consider one part of a group joining another part of a group to be line cutting. Actual line cutting (where a whole group just pushes there way to the front) seems wrong to me. But it is my understanding from reading these boards that even that practice is socially acceptable in Europe. I try to live and let live.

 

[goofyforlife]

I don't see anything wrong with families joining someone already in line. Its not a problems or WRONG to me. I guess its subjective. Everyone feels differently about it. As long as Disney has no problem with it then I don't either. I mean really - how much longer did you have to wait - five maybe ten minutes?

By your response....I take it you've never had that family of 10 come up at a character meet and greet to that one lone person in line...

10 extra people can be the difference between your child not getting that signature or picture because the character goes on break.

And it does happen.....

 

[grimley1968]

I wonder if there are more problems in the Soarin queue than other rides because the aisles are so much wider? I think people might have a tendency to "fill in all available space,"--say a party of two is in line, and a party of three comes up behind them. Rather than standing behind the party of two, they stand next to them, and with a little maneuvering, manage to work their way further up the line by "filling in all available space." DH and I noticed this happening the one time we roade Soarin standby. It did not bother us particularly, but I could see it being irritating to some.

This is a very good point. I'm one that gets a bit irritated by these wide lanes and the people who use them to cut. I don't normally confront people about it, but I think it's rude of people to use this to their advantage.

It really does seem that rides with narrow lanes load more quickly than rides with wider lanes. I'm not sure if that's actually the case, or if it's just that it's so much less annoying in narrow lanes when I'm not having to fend off the hordes of people trying to cut or "catch up to their families."

But I agree with the OP: whether you are in the most magical place on earth or at the local supermarket, line cutting is just wrong. I have no problems at all with people who take it upon themselves to enforce what should be common sense, although I'm usually not confrontational enough to do it myself. Usually

 

[CarolA]

It would never occur to my parents that they "deserved" to go to the front of the line due to their age. I think the point of the post was how rude they were about it. They didn't say, "Excuse me, but would you mind if we on ahead because we are having a hard time of some sort". NO, they were pushing and shoving and extremely rude. Again, I think we all make allowances for people when they politely ask. When anyone is rude or act as if they are owed something, I can see having a problem with that.

Let me point out that considering the QUALITY of the shoving there was NOTHING old and feeble about these two women, just RUDE. My friend specifically asked if they had some physical ailment and suggested they go to guest relations to get a pass if so. They called her a "witch", when I started laughing at that one of them gave me the finger... These two were a piece of work. (0ne of them said something which actually lead me to believe that WDW had dealt with these two before, there was an implication that "you have to prove you need the pass" Well having had friends who have gotten it for thier kids I don't think that is really true unless maybe guest relations KNOWS you are abusing the park. These two lived in Florida, that was another argument they used to try and get past us "Florida Senior Citizens have front of the line rights" ???? ) This whole scene just became hilarous. The man in front of us looked at these two and said "IF you get by these nice ladies, you are NOT getting by me" He was built like a tank.....

We were in line a few minutes because the ride had stopped for some reason. Normally we might have gotten out and come back later, but there was NO way we were leaving, those two would have thought they won!

 

[wagonwheel2]

I'm sorry, but I don't get some of this "live and let live", or "relax, take it easy, you're in WDW..". Right...I'm here, as a paying guest, following the rules like 90% of all the other paying guests.

If you're rude enough to cut in line, I'll have no problem pointing it out to ALL the people around me. My husband says I can incite a crowd into a riot if I put my mind to it ! Bring It ON ! ( Hubby's size is enough to usually have people thinking twice about talking back!!! )

It's not going to ruin my vacation by pointing out someone else's stupidity.

 

[Shagley]

I have to agree on how annoying this can be. I don't mind at all the occasional person that has to get up to the rest of their family, because they had to take a little one to the restroom, or even if one or two people are trying to catch up to a larger group. But when you are in a line and you are being passed by two people, then three people, then a group of five, then maybe a few more groups of two or three - that is very annoying and can add more than just a few minutes to your wait. When we went on a ride last year, there were quite a few groups of teenagers. There was a group of about 6 teenagers behind us. They were perfectly content with their place in line until they saw another group of their friends a lot further up in the line. Then we heard them saying "oh look, there is so and so way up there. Let's try to get up there with them", and then they tried to slip past us by saying "the rest of our group is up there and we need to catch up with them". We just said "if it is so important for you to all be together, then I am sure they would be more than happy to come back here so you can all be together".

 

[Disneyrsh]

Along the lines of it being a gray issue, not a black and white one, I'm the designated 'runner' for the fastpasses. My husband will get in line with our daughters and I will run over to the next ride and get fast passes.

So, when I get back to them (usually not long, if you've seen a tall blonde in a cowboy hat running like a nut all over disney, that's me), there are people I have to 'cut'. I say to them, "can I catch up with my family?" and usually I get a "sure". Sometimes I get a dirty look, and I wait, and my husband will let people go by him until we meet up again.

So, for me, if people ask me if they can get by, I'm usually cool about it if it's one or two. Any more, and I'll say, "You ARE your own group, you need to wait".

So, do you let the polite 'cutters' through?

 

[Shagley]

There are so many ways to respond to this thread....

Choose your battles.
Always look on the bright side of life (todoot, todoot, tadoot tadoot tadoot!)
Don't sweat the small stuff. (And it's all small stuff.)

I'm sorry, but I don't feel one bit sorry for you. You were at Disney World last week!!! Last week, I was going to visit my teenage son every day in the psychiatric hospital while he was there for severe depression and suicide prevention. I would have let anyone cut the line in front of me all day long, because just being there with him and the rest of my family would have been heaven instead of what we were (and still are) going through.

I'm sorry to hear about your son, and I am praying that things will get better for him and your family

Compared to your situation this is very insignificant, and no one meant any offense. I'm sure we all agree that this is a very minor annoyance when compared to other things that life throws at us.